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- Ganja420, on 02/13/2008, -4/+38YARRR dont f**k with the bay
- jaydotcole, on 02/13/2008, -2/+34does anyone else find it decidedly disturbing that the court seems to have not had any problems with simply censoring the site from millions of people?
- inactive, on 02/13/2008, -1/+18Europe keeps your basic freedoms safe by taking them away from you and putting them in a secure location far, far away.
Same could be said for the USA, but not as much... yet. - zookee, on 02/13/2008, -0/+14http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect
- yakoff, on 02/13/2008, -1/+9I don't use the Pirate Bay, but I like their sense of humor. And I like the way they think.
I am concerned for their safety. A lot of money is involved. They are becoming a lightning rod in the drm issue. Money motivates people to do bad things.
I wish they were more anonymous.
I also wish these companies would realize that open downloads and availability on the internet does not detract from artists and owner's profits. It enhances them. Instead of fighting the future, these companies should be finding ways to join it, and learn how to utilize a verifiabley successful method of distribution, and capitalizing on it.
On another subject, has anyone else noticed that Digg's spell checker does not recognize the word "internet"?
What's up with that? - 80hd, on 02/13/2008, -1/+8There is a lesson here that goes beyond the internet and says something about human nature.
Barbara Streisand figured it out so it's not that hard.
Screaming "DON"T LOOK!!" and then trying to block people from doing something - makes it that much more desirable.
No amount of money could buy the quality of advertising that these tactless "anti piracy groups" keep giving away.
With that in mind, they need to keep up the good work :) - tgc1, on 02/13/2008, -0/+7Do what you want, 'cause a Pirate is free. You are a Pirate!
- 89992, on 02/13/2008, -1/+7Long Live TPB!
- inactive, on 02/13/2008, -1/+7This whole thing started with Napster but I don't see an end to it. A compromise has to be reached at some point.
- spyd3rweb, on 02/13/2008, -1/+7No compromise, only unconditional surrender by the RIAA/MPAA
- Sithseth, on 02/13/2008, -2/+7I think it's pretty disturbing that a website (a place of information), has been deemed unsafe for people, and is no longer reachable in a so called "free" country. There's something very frightening happening in this world today... If this type of censorship exists, let's hope that it doesn't fall into the wrong hands (if it isn't already).
- Leetamus, on 02/13/2008, -1/+5I can't believe this line of reasoning actually held up in court. So does this mean that an internet provider could be charged because there's child porn on the internet they serve? my god..
- 80hd, on 02/13/2008, -0/+4unsafe in the sense that TPB is keeping money from funding CEO BMW fleets
- mdoom, on 02/13/2008, -0/+3Thats because "internet" is "Internet"
It needs to be capitalized. - Culyt, on 02/13/2008, -0/+2unconditional surrender and Dark Nets making everything unblockable, untrackable, unless the governments start to whitelist websites (which I wouldn't find surprising). Or outlaw darknets them selfs.
- mutiger, on 02/13/2008, -0/+2O good, someone else noticed. My first thought was, 'but this is Denmark, wtf?!'
- borez, on 02/13/2008, -3/+5"Any publicity is good publicity" As they say.
- inactive, on 02/13/2008, -0/+2The Internet does indeed need to be capitalised. But "internet" with no capitalisation has a slightly different meaning, and is still a real word.
- Carbonewitz, on 02/13/2008, -0/+1arrrrrrrrr
- iamdecal, on 02/13/2008, -0/+1should i be ashamed that i started singing the next line before i could stop myself
- subliminalurge, on 02/13/2008, -0/+1It's still a noun with a lower case "i", as well.
"The Internet" refers to the global network that most people think of when they hear the word. With a lower case "I", it's still a perfectly valid word. An internet is simply any random collection of two or more networks that are connected to each other. In fact, I have "an internet" in my house. - adooga, on 02/13/2008, -0/+1Perhaps you're spelling it wrong.
But more importantly, what DRM issue? - Kelmon, on 02/13/2008, -0/+1Independent verification of this report? I'm not the biggest fan of The Pirate Bay so no doubt that colours this comment but I'd rather get confirmation that banning the site generates more traffic to it from someone other than the site's owners. I have no doubt that other bans of the site will follow so knowing for certain that this does not work will be needed in any decision to implement a ban.
- mRIpX, on 02/13/2008, -1/+2yep, the tpb is legally making money through ads, that's about the only legal thing
- AvangionQ, on 02/13/2008, -0/+1"Six million people a year are estimated to download files illegally in the UK. Music and film companies say that the illegal downloads cost them millions of pounds in lost revenues. // "ISPs are no more able to inspect and filter every single packet passing across their network than the Post Office is able to open every envelope," the association said. "ISPs bear no liability for illegal file sharing as the content is not hosted on their servers," it added." ... the first set of statements about P2P activity detracting millions of pounds from corporate profit margins is bogus -- the truth of the matter is that the opposite is true -- P2P activity works more as free advertising which actually increases profits ... the second set of statements means that ISPs which are forced to inspect packets will have to upscale their hardware, costing them millions in lost revenue for both the expensive new hardware and for the multitude of subscribers that will switch off to competitor ISPs that fight these requirements, all for a problem that isn't even their concern ... worse yet, it will force the P2P hackers to create stronger encryptions on the existing file sharing networks, making the whole endeavor a pointless effort ... the music and movie industries must embrace P2P sharing as a lucrative new revenue source and stop being the litigious political power grabbing bastards that they are -- anything less just adds fuel to the fire that is the hatred of the majority of internet users ...
- Archer007, on 02/13/2008, -1/+2"Blocked". Yeah right. Ever heard of a thing called proxies?
- DenRoedeBaron, on 02/13/2008, -0/+1Luckily, only one Danish ISP (TELE 2) has banned the Pirate Bay. Nonetheless it's still an incredibly stupid move. People will either bypass the ban or use another tracker.
- NeoDarkSaver, on 02/13/2008, -0/+1the bay is not to be messed with. I want a citizenship at the pirate bay.
- dandatrk, on 02/13/2008, -1/+1go Pirate Bay, stick it to the man, they will never stop you
- varela, on 02/13/2008, -0/+0"I don't use the Pirate Bay" yeah and you purchase Playboy to read the articles.... me too
- SmileyMan, on 03/25/2008, -0/+0This story is not true. I'm a dane, and we still have access to TPB. If my memeory servers me right, blocking TPB was nothing but an idea that was quickly shot down by the politicans, so don't believe this article.
- tgc1, on 02/14/2008, -0/+0No. Absolutely not.
:) - jbrown101st, on 02/13/2008, -3/+3are
- ridethefire, on 02/14/2008, -0/+0and this is why the recording industry can't win a filtering war; the little guy is always ahead.
- staticoranges, on 02/13/2008, -2/+1Banning a site full of hackers. That's funny.
- adooga, on 02/13/2008, -2/+1Is there a story here?
- vsaint, on 02/13/2008, -8/+6If danish were banned that cop would have been even angrier at those skateboarders.
- nullx42, on 02/13/2008, -4/+2done did.
- Subriot, on 02/13/2008, -4/+2TPB's administrators are badass.
- nmuleski, on 02/13/2008, -4/+1capital "I"... It's a noun
- Travelsonic, on 02/13/2008, -4/+1Har Haw!
- H2Glitch2007, on 02/13/2008, -8/+3pwnd
- mikedub1219, on 02/13/2008, -11/+6everyone knows that the people from the IFPI is downloading superbad right now.
- mortigon, on 02/13/2008, -9/+3What will I do without my Apple Cinnamon Danish!
- inactive, on 02/13/2008, -7/+1Strike one of us down, 10 more step forward!!
- IllBeBack, on 02/13/2008, -11/+3Obligatory: ***** THE MPAA! ***** THE RIAA!
/there - Guru, on 02/13/2008, -10/+1WOOT Obama wins Virginia by a huge margin!
- SausageSmith, on 02/13/2008, -13/+3Just in case:
The IFPI has partially succeeded in its war against the Pirate Bay, at least in one European country. The international counterpart of the RIAA won a lawsuit last week in Denmark that resulted in one Danish ISP, Tele2, being ordered to block access to the site. Tele2 has complied for the time being, but the ban hasn't exactly dealt a blow against the Pirate Bay—in fact, the site is getting more traffic than ever from users in Denmark and has already found new ways to help Tele2 customers to get around the ban.
The Danish court found that the Pirate Bay is indisputably used as a means to traffic copyrighted materials between users and that Tele2 is responsible for making the site freely available to customers. "[T]he court finds that DMT2 Ltd., by giving its customers access to the www.thepiratebay.org, assists in the violation of the copyrights administered by the claimants," reads the translated ruling posted at Danish consumer rights lobby group Piratgruppen. "DMT2 Ltd. is ordered to undertake the adequate measures, suitable in the prevention of access for DMT2 Ltd. customers to the web site of www.thepiratebay.org and related sub pages and sub domains."
Tele2 went along with the ruling and began blocking access to the Pirate Bay, but not happily. It was the only ISP in the country ordered to block the site, while others were allowed to continue serving up Pirate Bay pages. "In this case, we think it is needed to have a clarification of the legal grounds, and that is why we are discussing this with the other companies," Tele2 regulations chief Nicholai Pfeiffer told IDG.
Still, the Pirate Bay wrote on its blog that traffic in Denmark is up 12 percent since the ruling last week, which it attributes to media attention and users trying to find ways around the ban. The group wrote that Tele2 customers are beginning to find DNS solutions—such as OpenDNS—that don't block the site, and many of them are using the Pirate Bay's new domain thejesperbay.org for their torrenting needs. From just Tele2, the Pirate Bay says that there has been no noticeable traffic difference before and after the ban.
This isn't the first time the IFPI has held Tele2 responsible for aiding in the trafficking of copyrighted content. A very similar Danish court ruling came down in 2006, demanding that Tele2 block access to Russian music site AllOfMP3, which didn't go over very well at the time either. Industry groups called the move dangerous, as ISPs could also be forced to censor sites that also provide access to freely-published, legal content (such as, well, the Pirate Bay). Piratgruppen spokesperson Sebastian Gjerding agreed, telling TorrentFreak last week, "In Turkey and China, it's the state that decides what information the people can access and what should be censored. In Denmark its apparently the record industry."
Of course, the folks behind the Pirate Bay wouldn't be happy without voicing their own opinions on the matter, which is that they operate legally within the confines of Swedish law (where the operation is based). Gottfrid Svartholm Warg spoke on television about the case, saying that the site doesn't actually transfer illegal materials and is therefore not guilty of copyright infringement. "It’s not stealing, morally or legally," he said.
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