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- soupyc, on 10/12/2007, -9/+175Truer words were never spoken.
- compu73rg33k, on 10/12/2007, -6/+129What's wrong with ***** around with a bunch of ignorant ***** Americans who think American law = Global law? I mean it's extremely rude for companies to send out cease and desist letters to a perfectly legal site time and time again. I don't blame them and actually commend them for standing up to these morons. When will there be a new batch of letters?!
- ryland2, on 10/12/2007, -5/+83I love them, go here for more- http://thepiratebay.org/legal
This is my favorite:
"You should understand that your email and all further communication with
us will be published at http://thepiratebay.org/legal.php , and that we
will charge you for the web publishing and hosting services. Should I
send the invoice to your address above?" - justice7, on 10/12/2007, -3/+69One of the best responses to the cease and desist orders:
"You also have the right to institute sodomizing of yourself. Preferably
with barbed wire, but retractable batons might also work if you push
them far enough." - wusupdoe, on 10/12/2007, -2/+41Was anyone really expecting to hear less? I think we knew of his opinion of the MPAA the day The Pirate Bay opened.
- TonyCubed, on 10/12/2007, -1/+40"Just some stats...
Just some stats... ... here are some reasons why TPB is down sometimes - and how long it usually takes to fix: Tiamo gets *very* drunk and then something crashes: 4 days
Anakata gets a really bad cold and noone is around: 7 days
The US and Swedish gov. forces the police to steal our servers: 3 days
.. yawn."
haha! - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+42American law = Global law?
The EU do not have to cooperate with US enforcement if they don't want to. - Chompy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+36He forgot "clueless". Yeah they're rabid, sure they're obsessed.. with a fantasy. It's not like they even have a chance of actually holding onto the 1980s market conditions they so desperately want to keep. Not unless they invent a time machine and kill the internet before it can be born, that is..
..oh crap! Someone call Van Damme! - lormahoykyd2007, on 10/12/2007, -2/+36Being American, I am glad someone is standing up to them.
- Raian, on 10/12/2007, -0/+27ilyag
It is a political statement, you just fail to see it.
People's behaviour, in this instance, is evidence of poorly written legislation, and a poorly managed business model...
The idea of copyright was treading on thin ice to begin with-- it is not a very natural system. The increase in copyright length really pushes the system towards faliure, because it leaves less to keep people satisfied. If copyright was never extended we'd all be downloading movies from 1993 (or from 1979 if the copyright holder was still alive and applied for a second term) for free and having a great time with it-- that is the way the system should be. - madjo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+27Contrary to what the media companies like to spin you. Copyright infringement is not theft.
Sure in some countries it's illegal, but it's not equal to theft.
And they sure can't equate each download with a lost sale, most times they never had that sale to begin with.
Also, all this cr#p about "think about the artists"; the artists get almost nothing from music-downloads (unless they have a really good lawyer who bartered them into a good deal), and every penny that these companies win in court will never get into the hands of the 'poor starving artists'. (the bigger artists are so poor they can barely keep their golden chains, and pure silver BMWs.)
Boohoo, cry me a river.
Okay, I'll acknowledge that there are artists out there, that are indeed struggling, and working hard to get paid pennies. But what percentage of the downloads on Bittorrent are from works from them? (most of the downloads are the popular stuff, the artists that get paid big dollars, and like to flash how wealthy they are.)
These media companies should wake up and smell the 21st century. Their business-model is based upon a flawed idea; the copyright law is broken, and this is clearly visible, because suddenly almost the entire population can be considered a criminal. It originally was meant as an incentive;
Government: 'You have x years to make a profit on your work, after that it becomes public domain, and the people can do with it, what they want, and you should create something new if you want to keep making profit.'
Right now it's a commodity, **AA: 'It's *our* work, for life. You can't have it! Never! And what is this stuff about making new stuff to make a profit, when we can milk our little moo-cows, uhm we mean consumers, dry.' - ScottMaximus1, on 10/12/2007, -2/+25Everyone knows that caps lock is cruise control for cool.
- asancho, on 10/12/2007, -4/+26 Article titled with "MPAA" and "rabid, obsessed lunatics"
Dugg down for redundancy. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+23If they are "rabid, obsessed lunatics" it scares me as to what the RIAA is.
- lulutv, on 10/12/2007, -0/+18The Pirate Bay isn't illegal everywhere. US copyright law has gotten completely out of hand in the states, but has not been allowed to infect every other country on Earth, probably b/c right now we're still busy exporting democracy. Nor are the MPAA "lawmakers." This is more like asking Tony Soprano what he thinks of the house dart rules at the King George pub in London.
- rudy23, on 10/12/2007, -2/+19new to digg?
- jman8888, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14Duh?
- Nameless1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12Dont tell a friend, they will sue you for though sharing.
- albinoMithos, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10Still though I had to auto-digg this article for the simple fact that they continue to give out a big "F$#@ YOU!" to the RIAA and get away with it. I wanna be The Pirate Bay one day...
- onidraky, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10Exactly why I saw ***** the RIAA! I'm glad you agree! When's the last time the RIAA truly fought for an artist's rights? They fight because they know they can sue people and get away with it, they don't give the artist what they're due, either. I'm sure the artists would be better off without the RIAA.
- Jugalator, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10"American law = Global law?"
Most of the world have signed the Berne Convention though.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berne_Convention_for_the_Protection_of_Literary_and_Artistic_Works
"Prior to the adoption of the Berne Convention, national copyright laws would usually only apply for works created within each country."
But since IANAL, I have no clue how much, if anything, applies there. I doubt it makes things much easier anyway, as then TPB would be crushed by the media company lawyers that have been pressuring them for so long. It seems that's basically all they can do though. :-s Apply pressure...
Btw, I wonder if anyone know what the hell is going on in the Pirate Bay case with the Swedish Police? They grabbed their equipment and now what? Perhaps they indeed saw there was just teeny tiny .torrent files scattered around their disks and got all grumpy and then rather feel like sabotaging their business by delaying their case. :-p I mean, surely it can't take this long to find material on it to prosecute for, assuming there *is* something there? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10Shut up.
- TonyCubed, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11I'm lovin' the caps. Did you do that yourself?
- Gatesophile, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11I completely agree.
- tomarocco, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8It makes it right if you are in that nation. You are pushing your mores on someone else.
- hexydes, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10A good way to save 15-30% on every movie would be to stop paying the main 1-2 actors 15-30% of the movie's gross.
- r121, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8I don't think we really need another Bill Gates...
- venicerocco, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7"Easy to say as someone who hasn't been under surveillance by the MPAA...."
Touché - doodlebumm, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8@TonyCubed
Bill Gates is also doing his best to use Microsoft's monopoly unfairly and not get caught, all the while putting people out of business and trying (obviously successfully) to trick people into thinking he's really a good guy by giving out an unnoticeable portion of his fortune (if *I* had $50B, I wouldn't notice even $49B of it missing, not that I'm stupid, but how much money does a person need?) to charitable causes (probably more PR than true humanitarianism). I personally prefer people who are really altruistic and helpful, to wolves in sheep's clothing. Your mileage may vary. - oldcrow, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7I hadn't heard that about the DVD-sniffing dogs. Not that it comes as a huge surprise--it's no stupider than some of the other things they've tried.
- Rikkochet, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Easy to say as someone who hasn't been under surveillance by the MPAA....
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6"Truer words were never spoken."
What, blog spam? Who's the asshat that posted this article anyway? http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2105-2532534,00.html FTW. - neohx_7, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5More blog spam. This is why digg is such a chore to browse nowadays.
- michaeltime, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5If people weren't stupid enough to JUST watch a movie because a super-hyper-mega-famous actor was in it then maybe they would stop paying them. Unfortunately, people are that stupid.
- TonyCubed, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9@r121.
Bill Gates isn't bad, after all, he is doing his best to help fight diseases and world poverty, I would happily welcome another Bill Gates. - ICSU, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5their?
- hexydes, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Lots of movies don't have hyper-celebrities in them, though, and they do just fine (both economically, as well as critically). A lot of studios basically use it as a crutch, to help guarantee a good return. The production crew then goes along with it because they know that the studio will simply red-light the film if they don't agree.
I'd honestly really like to see YouTube and other such venues start picking up independent films (and not just art films but even the higher-production-value fan films and such) and pushing them. That would help them to define an actual reason to exist, aside from simply as a way to watch your favorite Simpsons and sporting event clips. And, in addition to legitimizing themselves even more, it helps to define a new industry, one that doesn't necessarily rely on over-paid actors and mega ad budgets. The cost of production is so low now (comparatively) that you can get a decent movie going (equipment, tools, props, talent, etc) for under $50k. On the lower, more amateur/hobby (though still just as entertaining often) side of things, it wouldn't be out of the question to get a decent short film/show put together for under $5k. You can round that much up just by soliciting local businesses, or even begging for funds/saving Christmas money. - burke, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Truer spoken been words have never.
- spunquik, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4link to the actual article
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2105-2532534,00.html - hexydes, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RIAA
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MPAA - cambrown99, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4And those were the COMPLIMENTS!
- infl00p, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Well it depends how you define piracy. Since their is no financial gain of the TPB website or the seeders I do not consider it as piracy. IMHO a software/movie/music pirate is someone who makes a living illegally selling copyrighted material. Anyway I do not believe that the majority of people who downloaded from TPB or any other torrent/p2p site would have paid for the software/movie/music.
- mutt614, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Duh.... the *AA's own the government... they just forgot to put it in the history books (so far). Just like the war on drugs and the current one: these are just making people rich. That's all there is to it. Gain from having a broken system and paying to keep it, and gain from it again to pay the price of fixing it.
- Whateveragain, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I am a writer and a painter. It is nice to make a living doing these things I love. And yet, when I release them, they are no longer mine. I know this and I accept it. It is a kiss blown to the wind. I wish them well and hope for the best. To stalk these works and own them makes them an object and much less a work of art. And myself much less an artist.
If I could not accept this I would pile my work in the basement and hoard it for myself. Or burn it. Or why bother? Who I am, not what I own, makes me a wealthy man. - amoirae, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4They are industry based groups, not government agencies.
- dvsbastard, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I didn't know Pirate Bay was co-founded by Captain Obvious!!! :P
- asancho, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Shh...everyone...dont you realize that this is a story leaked by the RIAA to see who is against them...
*grabs tinfoil hat* - hackwrench, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3>Lol - dare to suggest this is not a good way forward and you get dugg down straight away!
The only entry that I see getting dug down is a statement comparing the RIAA to 12-year olds which is hardly the same as suggesting this is not a good way forward.
Or is the TPB that is being compared to 12-year olds? Ambiguous to top it off! - TonyCubed, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7Your a dirty poster! :(
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