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- Reddog_x2000, on 05/10/2008, -15/+111This is why I'm a libertarian. If you give the government a power, they will find a way to abuse it. It doesn't matter how benign or legitimate that power may seem on it's surface. Some public official will find a way to torture the definition of a term to serve either his/her own agenda, or the agenda of someone who's paying him/her off. That's why government should be kept as small as possible.
- lijamez, on 05/10/2008, -5/+89The MPAA and RIAA are a public nuisance.
- Shawshanksr, on 05/10/2008, -7/+64***** THE RIAA
- inactive, on 05/10/2008, -5/+55The gangs are a "Public Nuisance" in Los Angeles too, yet the brave police chase these people peddling cds, and throw the book at them (police are whores for hire).
Who cares if the public wants the gangs locked up first? - A11YND, on 05/10/2008, -11/+59So now because you download a few songs the LA board can take your home?
Call me old-fashioned but that is just not fair. - TheSevenDuffs, on 05/10/2008, -3/+39From the Article:
"So can the county seize your house and computers just for downloading a couple of unauthorized tracks? Not exactly. In this case, "piracy" actually means "piracy," and it refers to the "manufacturing, distributing, selling, or possessing for sale of counterfeit goods, or recordings or audiovisual works which are improperly labeled under California Penal Code section 653w."" - asspants, on 05/10/2008, -10/+43I don't care how many times you say it , telling everyone that copying files is stealing does not make it true, you're a damn fool.
The pirates out there who resell for a profit deserve a swift kick in the ass though.
But I'm afraid that this will set a dangerous precedent, allowing seizure of personal property because a private company wants it is wreckless.
- inactive, on 05/10/2008, -0/+29The definition of Piracy in the ordinance is bootlegging.
You have to do it in exchange for money for this to apply. - ElbertF, on 05/10/2008, -2/+28LOUDER!
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██░░░░██░████████░██░░██░██░░██ - MadEnvoy, on 05/10/2008, -4/+30Keep your knickers on! This isn't about downloading, it's about actual piracy. When will people stop letting the RIAA/MPAA call them pirates for downloading. A pirate steals and resells for profit. What regular Joe's are doing is COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT. Stop using the label "pirates" against yourselves.
- TheGuruStud, on 05/10/2008, -2/+24What happens when they say your two DVD burners are used for manufacturing pirated DVDs that you sell (even though you don't)?
Or how about if they say you have a collection of hundreds of pirated movies and therefore are in violation of this law?
Then they can take whatever they want from you.
Has no one learned anything from the laws passed by the Bush Admin? There's a law to secretly lock away any terrorist. Not a big deal if they are a real terrorist. But the law is also worded so that you can be a terrorist, so they can lock you up, too, for no reason.
Do not be naive. This is another rung on the ladder towards total control of your property (so that it becomes theirs if you get out of line).
*sorry about grammar and punctuation* - inactive, on 05/10/2008, -2/+23No, we dumbass Libertarians hate government corruption and abuse even at the city level. Pretty much any level really. Yep.
- chrgrose, on 05/10/2008, -14/+30Chuck norris walking down the road with a massive erection is a public nuisance.
This is not chuck norris walking down the road with a massive erection.. - jdmcadam, on 05/10/2008, -2/+17Oh man! I was totally hoping this article was about rampant bands of high seas LARPers.
- whatsupimphil, on 05/10/2008, -4/+19The MPAA is a public nuisance.
- ha1f, on 05/10/2008, -22/+37But for once it seems like they actually have it right. They're going after the people who are stealing (yes, it's stealing) the material and then reselling it for a profit.
- benecere, on 05/10/2008, -2/+16No, it is, in fact, infringement. Infringement and theft are different offenses; it doesn't matter that you hold them as equal. One is a criminal offense and the other civil.
If you do not pay your accountant, your attorney or your doctor, they may sue you, but they cannot have you arrested. Infringement falls under the same category. To call it "theft" is the word game of .the....AA's that is allowing them, somehow, to change law without bother with such details as going through actual legislative procedure. Saying something often enough seems to be enough to make it true. There is a lot of that going around these days in the former "United States of America" - Tyrghast, on 05/10/2008, -5/+19Medical Mary-Jane = +1
Developing Harsher Anti-Piracy Regulations = -9000 - XXXXXXXXXXXXXX, on 05/10/2008, -10/+22Shut the ***** up and read the article.
- asspants, on 05/10/2008, -1/+12That's a pretty MASSIVE stretch to say that because of dislike of government corruption at every level flashcraft doesnt want the government to arrest people peroid. Sounds like you've let mike savage cloud your judgement.
- yujie, on 05/10/2008, -4/+16RIAA and MPAA = public nuisance and criminals
- asspants, on 05/10/2008, -4/+14Repeating the same thing over and over doesnt make it true.
Stealing is when I take something from you, and you don't get it back or lose the original. Copying is Copying, Copying is not stealing. - KiraDnote, on 05/10/2008, -3/+12The reason they call it piracy is for it's propaganda value. In other words, if they say it's piracy often enough, some people begin to think it's true, and then they gain the power to have the government help them prevent the "theft" of their goods.
- 4321234, on 05/10/2008, -0/+9"Improperly labeled?" Does that mean with a sharpie, or if the DVD-R is just left blank is that improperly labeled as well? Did you notice the word "or" rather than "and". To me, that means if you burn a cd or movie for your personal use, they can seize your property.
- kirado4, on 05/10/2008, -3/+11kewl so if the MPAA or RIAA doesn't properly credit the contributors to albums and movies.. they can have their assets taken sweet... oh wait but they'll get away with it because there big companies..i
"If the piracy was intentional, the property owner can be fined up to $1,000 for each "recording or audiovisual work whose cover, box, jacket, or label fails to accurately disclose the information regarding the manufacturer and the author, artist, performer, producer, programmer, or group." Damages can be trebled if the property owner is busted for the same offense within a two-year period."
Disney intentionally broke copyright infringement on a Lion King song from a poor black South Africans artists family. Though the settled out of court eventually. - megafrenzy, on 05/10/2008, -2/+11I live/work in LA county, I've seen bootleg CD/DVD for sale in some stores in Sun Valley, CA and people selling them on the street, outside of strip malls and in swap meets. I work in the movie busisness, so seeing that really bothers me. What is wrong with people wanting to get paid for their product? Screw these pirates. Its one thing to download a movie and watch it for free, its totally different when you start making a profit from someone elses HARD WORK.
- jezsik, on 05/10/2008, -0/+7Yeah, but we're talking about the imaginary Chuck Norris, not that actor guy who plays Chuck Norris.
- MasterGrief, on 05/10/2008, -1/+8Chuck Norris is out. I don't know what's in, but I think after the religious things that came out about Chuck, the internet kind of wanted to leave him alone.
- hexydes, on 05/10/2008, -1/+7Uh huh. For now.
Slippery slope. - asspants, on 05/10/2008, -4/+15No it's not, stop trying to make it. I'm not going to let you change the definition of the word copy.
- Ratteler, on 05/10/2008, -4/+10Denying the American people their Public Domain use of copyrighted material is TREASON!
- lamiaconfitor, on 05/10/2008, -0/+6Most libertarians acknowledge a difference between "victim" and "victimless" crime. you are confusing libertarians with anarchists.
- benecere, on 05/10/2008, -1/+7Still infringement. Theft is the taking of a finite article and deprives its owner use of that article. Copyright violation is infringement; big copyright violation is big infringement; profiting from copyright violation is profiting from infringement. It never changes to theft unless the law changes it to theft. And oh my, if that happens, what will be next? Will we slowly slide back into having "debtor's prison"? I cannot see others who are limited to suing sitting back while the .....AA's are getting by without needing to do it. How many civil offenses will turn into criminal offenses. Why bother with lawsuits if you can just get the police to do it for you at public expense.
Furthermore, actual theft is much easier proved since it involves a physical object. The record already indicates that the likelihood of being falsely accused of copyright violation is much higher than is reasonable and that the evidence is often flimsy. Add to that, the USA leading the world in jailed citizens and spending a fortune to do it; you find that making this a criminal offense just gets messier and messier.
Now the confiscation of an accused person's property for copyright violation ----- THAT'S theft, since it is illegal to treat infringement criminally by current law and it involves depriving the property owner of its use. So, we have a criminal government working for a private entity's interest, impervious to written law AND at public expense. Do you see a problem here? - GordonClass, on 05/10/2008, -1/+7This is LA home of the Movies is anyone really surprised that they would do this?
- UltraDavid, on 05/10/2008, -2/+7It's like they want to make the law as irrelevant to our generation as possible. Lawmakers: making activities our entire generation takes part in illegal, treating them as if they were nuisances, and making the penalties for them severe... that doesn't make us do them less, it just makes us hate you and the whole legal system even more.
- dlsspy, on 05/10/2008, -0/+5You can do a lot of damage with a sword and dagger.
- Nubli, on 05/10/2008, -0/+5IT'S BELOW 9000!!!
- inactive, on 05/10/2008, -0/+5The last time Chuck Norris walked down the street with an erection, over 2 billion dollars in property damage was done.
- Napalmhaze, on 05/10/2008, -4/+8awwww but it sounds so cool!!!!!!11!1oneone YAARRRRRR!!!!
- insllvn, on 05/10/2008, -3/+7"Not exactly." Not no, not exactly. Not yet. Nothing I read in the article shows they couldn't later start fining downloaders and confiscating hard drives and modems for violations. Well, nothing more than Ars' reassuring "Not exactly." Sure, it seems targeted at resellers, but the terms are purposefully vague.
- Helogoodbye, on 05/10/2008, -4/+8what? 9000?!
- fludgesickles, on 05/10/2008, -3/+7LOL
How long will they go to jail?
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Cali is on that list =] - d05k, on 05/10/2008, -0/+4Disney also copied "The Lion King" from the anime "Kimba the White Lion"
- inactive, on 05/10/2008, -0/+4Our corporate masters are losing money, they are not pleased.
- STPZ, on 05/10/2008, -0/+4Someone check this guys landlord...lol
- Evilsnake, on 05/10/2008, -0/+4Or they have a healthy distrust of the way the law defines piracy, or most things for that matter...
- jezsik, on 05/10/2008, -2/+6If your "thief" patented your idea, then yes, your idea was stolen because now you can't patent that idea. If the "thief" simply used your idea, enabling you to use your idea also, then you haven't lost anything, ergo no theft.
- hexydes, on 05/10/2008, -0/+4Uhm, Disney built an entire empire partially based on taking classic children's stories and re-making them in their own style. Now, they would sue anyone who tried to do the same. How fortunate that copyright law didn't limit them when they were looking for story ideas. Too bad they have single-handedly destroyed the usefulness (to the public) of copyright law in the United States.
- asspants, on 05/10/2008, -0/+4Your argument makes sense at first, but you're stretching too far When I copy a song, I'm not registering it with the US Patent office, then making a commercial product and selling it in stores.
- theonlywizdum, on 05/10/2008, -7/+10RTFA
"So can the county seize your house and computers just for downloading a couple of unauthorized tracks? Not exactly. In this case, "piracy" actually means "piracy," and it refers to the "manufacturing, distributing, selling, or possessing for sale of counterfeit goods, or recordings or audiovisual works which are improperly labeled under California Penal Code section 653w." -
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