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- korvan504521, on 12/29/2008, -2/+38pew pew pew
- AmyVernon, on 12/29/2008, -2/+25A huge paradigm shift, but it's worth noting that the websites many folks got their news from online were those of traditional print media, not just some "internet" site.
- inactive, on 12/29/2008, -2/+15This isn't a shocker, newspapers get updated once a day, the internet is refreshed on a moment by moment basis.
- alex7575, on 12/29/2008, -1/+13Ah crap, the "pew pew pew" joke was already taken... twice!
- str3ama, on 12/29/2008, -2/+13I love PEW, they've got some great data to sift through and it's all publicly available - of course it's US centric, but some really great info on there.
To quote Nelson from the Simpsons "haha your medium is dying" - shawns, on 12/29/2008, -0/+11will e-ink turn this trend around? doubtful
- inactive, on 12/29/2008, -8/+16Pew Pew Pew
- duckstrap, on 12/29/2008, -0/+8...and now from the Department of Obvious Trends...
- greeniemeani, on 12/29/2008, -0/+8I refreshed my internet this morning!
- ardembiniwoot, on 12/29/2008, -1/+8print won't die
- alex7575, on 12/29/2008, -0/+7"Paradigm shift"
I swear if another one of my coworkers use that term on a meeting again I'm going to loose it...
PS: Amy, In your case it was relevant... - EnjoyFailure, on 12/29/2008, -0/+7Wasn't this just on Digg 3 days ago? Yup, it was: http://digg.com/tech_news/Survey_Confirms_What_Dig ...
Nice to know are attention spans are getting even shorter. - UtahApocalyse, on 12/29/2008, -3/+9With internet I can read opinions, articles, and news from all side and every angle. The old Newspapers are biased now and controlled.
- diggduggDOOM, on 12/29/2008, -0/+5At the end of the day, that's really pro-active of you. I'm sure we can develop some synergy with that kind of thinking while moving the organization forward.
- theDarkGamer, on 12/29/2008, -0/+5Duh.
- method7670, on 12/29/2008, -0/+5This just in...
WE ALREADY KNOW!!! - inactive, on 12/29/2008, -0/+5Heh, the press itself USED to do this kind of reporting before concentrated ownership made the bottom-line more important than quality journalism :)
- inactive, on 12/29/2008, -0/+5I hope saying "paradigm shift" will also get relegated back to powerpoint presenters where it belongs, along with "outside the box" and "tipping point"
- ZeNiTH456, on 12/29/2008, -0/+3Was used in the original submission of this story on friday(?) of last week too.
- Finalreminder, on 12/29/2008, -0/+3Already been on Digg
Buried - Claverhouse, on 12/29/2008, -0/+3Over here in Great Britain the press *is* the leading exemplar of anti-intellectualism: the lower-class crap actively hates anyone and anything not as dumb as a street thug, and promotes right-wing conservatism, nationalism, sports, TV idiocy, and hatred of foreigners; the upper-class crap promotes liberalism, multiculturalism, social snobbery, pretentiousness in art and hatred of anything white and/or traditional. That might count as intellectualism, but for the fact any ideas counter to the current zeitgeist are steadfastly ignored or sneered away.
- 4degrees, on 12/29/2008, -0/+3if Ghostbusters is any indication to trends, then print is dead. According to Egon.
- inactive, on 12/29/2008, -1/+4You're absolutely right, and that's why this story isn't good news. Often online media is just a parroting of or commentary on offline media. While the trend has been increasingly for blogs and other online venues to be responsible for a decrease in ad revenues for the traditional press, the trend of these same outlets actually producing novel content, doing compelling investigative, local, or international reporting, or doing anything much at all besides being an extended editorial page hasn't materialized.
A vibrant press is much too important to the functioning of a democracy and media companies rely far too much on government subsidy for us to allow this to happen or for us to fall for the argument that government interference is somehow bad in media.
Historically, the press have been supported by government subsidy. I'm for a tobacco-grade tax on entertainment media--since the social health crisis (in the form of anti-intellectualism primarily) is probably comparable to the public health crisis posed by tobacco--which will pay for increased subsidization of press and would fund a larger than the BBC public broadcasting system in the United States. Also, ownership restrictions must be imposed in all media across the board. - SemiSarcastic, on 12/29/2008, -1/+4lol you trust blogs and e-articles? Run by human beings!? That ***** is bias, you want real unbias news than make sure it's run by robots.
- jsffive, on 12/29/2008, -1/+4Good. The sons of bitches helped lie this nation into a war. They all deserve to starve in a ditch, if they can't ask the important questions. The WMD story was a LIE. The most devastating lie ever told to the American public. And they don't deserve a free pass for telling it to us.
They were perfectly willing to distract us for eighteen months with lies about sex, but they couldn't cover the TREASON of giving away hi-tech secrets to the Chinese?
Screw the main stream media. They're getting what they've got coming to them. - veriix, on 12/29/2008, -0/+3Lets bury them out of spite!
- Jeremyz0r, on 12/29/2008, -2/+5O o
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\_\¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ - madwaxer, on 12/29/2008, -0/+2DFT! It'll take a miracle to save most of those old newspaper companies. especially the ones who think they can just switch to being online and still make it with their old business model. at this point they have lost a lot of their credibility with the new audience they desperately need to capture for revenue. the readership and revenue model won't apply and then they'l get stupid with injecting too many ads. it would do they a lot more good to just shut down now while they can.
- inactive, on 12/29/2008, -0/+2This survey stinks.
- inactive, on 12/29/2008, -0/+2Actually, the press, and it's always been more pronounced in the US, has been in measurable decline since the 1970s when it began losing young readers at a then alarming rate.
The internet accelerates the trend, but it's nowhere near the cause (it's probably some combination of increased media concentration and anti-intellectualism which came out of "the other 60s"). It IS handy as a scapegoat for media owners, however, and they frequently cite it in their pleas for "deregulation" (which should be called reregulation) of ownership restrictions. - inactive, on 12/29/2008, -0/+2I like to think the people participating in the survey received calls from Pepé Le Pew.
- inactive, on 12/29/2008, -0/+2It's the honey bee to democracy's flower, and the online version is a respectable mimic but fails to provide the pollinating function.
- catestarrr, on 12/30/2008, -0/+2and "at the end of the day"
- Bloodwine, on 12/29/2008, -0/+2Newspapers don't bother me as much as local TV news. When will they finally die off?!
- ericshuff85, on 12/29/2008, -0/+2erm, duh?
- delvach, on 12/29/2008, -0/+2I'll see your, 'Duh', and raise you a, 'No *****!'
- Spuy767, on 12/31/2008, -0/+2The paradigm has shifted. If Ars continues to be this insightful, next, they'll be telling us that the sky is blue.
- elfprince13, on 12/31/2008, -0/+1i'm pretty sure i've been reading this article at least twice a year for the past 4 or 5 years.
- thealsir, on 12/31/2008, -0/+1It's funny because the joke is appropriate in this context.
- maximoo2, on 12/31/2008, -0/+1What's with all the PEW PEW PEWs ? Oh internet, I love you.
- buddyfarr, on 12/29/2008, -0/+1Well this is an NSS article....as in No ***** Sherlock....why would anyone have guessed otherwise?
- delvach, on 12/29/2008, -0/+1Agreed, but the WMD stuff wasn't arguably the WORST thing they pushed. The media-inspired questioning of scientifically-verified global warming messes with the survival of the whole species, compared to the (estimated)130k+ deaths caused by the takeover and occupation of Iraq.
I went to school for journalism, but the more I learned about the media, the less I wanted to be part of it. - TooMuchPizza, on 12/30/2008, -0/+1PEW PEW PEW!!!
oh wai - kern44, on 12/30/2008, -0/+1and how can you prove that those conspiracy websites deliver the "truth" or how "real" news are fake mrzack?
- Spuy767, on 12/31/2008, -0/+1When middle aged women stop thinking that it's the most accurate place to get weather. Whenever I visit my folks, and my mom bitches about needing to see the weather report, I usually just whip out my phone and read her off the five day.
- catestarrr, on 12/30/2008, -0/+1Think the internet generation can read one item long enough to make it through an entire newspaper article? This is why it is dying- no interest and their target market is dying off. Too bad for our democracy- we need the 4th estate.
- jsffive, on 12/30/2008, -0/+1Maybe people are still going to the water carrier sites, like Huffpo and Alternet, but I'm not.
I think it's equally hilarious that you automatically thought that I was implying that.
You shut down the print versions of their business, and that cuts into their bottom line. And it also denies the advertisers, who support the propaganda, their revenues. When the people who benefit from the lies start to lose BECAUSE of the lies, that's when things may start to change.
The only way that the average person can fight back is by refusing to give them money. The Internet, though imperfect, DOES provide people with a means of finding competing stories. If people don't want to find those competing stories, well, that's entirely up to them.
But I won't waste my money, buying "all the propaganda that's fit to print", and when enough people stop buying their *****, the ***** WILL STOP!.
And PERSONALLY, I don't visit the sites of the water carriers.
How about you? - jsffive, on 12/30/2008, -0/+1I agree with most of what you said. However, I'm having as hard time believing that a gas that comprises .038 percent of the total atmosphere (that's about one THIRD... of one TENTH... of a PERCENT), is entirely responsible for global warming.
And showing me a petition of "scientists" who agree with this ridiculous idea, only tells me that the echo chamber is working well. You can't PROVE a scientific theory with resumes. THAT'S bad science.
The geologic record indicates that the planet has been warming for the past eight thousand years (and eight thousand years ago, the oceans were FOUR HUNDRED FEET LOWER than they are now). THAT wasn't man-made. The geologic record indicates that CO2 levels FOLLOWS warming and cooling trends. It doesn't PREDICATE the trends.
All of the significant statistics that were used in the seventies to scare us into thinking that the oceans were going to inundate us, has been totally revised DOWNWARDLY in the past thirty years.
I favor eliminating our dependency on fossil fuels, but NOT because I think we are destroying our environment with it. I simply believe that it makes no sense to continue building an industrial civilization on a finite and dwindling resource.
To get something, you have to give something. When the day comes that we are powering the entire world with solar panels, do you think we won't have to pay a price for robbing that heat and light energy from the atmosphere?
Most of the "scientists" who agree with this theory, are staunch in their belief in natural selection. But when you try to suggest that the earth is ALSO constantly evolving, they draw a complete blank.
With this planet containing over 160 THOUSAND glaciers, trying to derive data points from observations of even ONE HUNDRED glaciers would be bad science. And EVEN STILL, glaciers receding or advancing in and of itself, doesn't prove ANYTHING about CO2 levels being the cause. - Zanneth, on 12/31/2008, -0/+1Wow. I didn't need an article to tell me that!
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