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- Trinitrogen, on 10/12/2007, -17/+113It's not "Insurance", its "in-case-sh*t" - Chris Rock
- pseudojd, on 10/12/2007, -1/+96sued is a civil matter... no jails.
- M2Ys4U, on 10/12/2007, -0/+95"I got sued by the RIAA and all I got was this lousy t-shirt."
- davidirock, on 10/12/2007, -3/+85Selling this insurance would be awesome in the US. Just use scare tactics. "Does your grandma use the computer? THE RIAA COULD SUE HER! Buy this now for only.... $37 a month (hey I got to make money 2) and you and your grandma can live with peace of mind and know the RIAA isn't at your door. And, if you call now we'll throw in MPAA protection for a mear $18 extra *for 3 months then regular price of $49.99 per month applies*"
Oh and then we could put commericals on tv with people no wait, TALKING ANIMALS telling you to switch to their RIAA protection because it could save you hundreds of dollars for one phone call. This sounds so great, I can't wait! - KageKonjou, on 10/12/2007, -5/+78'For a mere 140 SEK ($19 USD) per year, they will pay all your fines and give you a t-shirt if you get convicted for file sharing.'
O SNAP! A FREE TSHIRT! SIGN ME UP!!! - DiamondIce, on 10/12/2007, -0/+68"The insuree, by buying the policy, is basically admitting to piracy"
No they are admitting to a legitimate fear of the RIAA. The RIAA has sued dozens of people that don't even have a computer, so buying insurance isn't admitting piracy it's admitting that you are afraid you might be at the bad end of one of their phony law suits.
I don't download music, and I'm in Canada, but even I have concerns about getting a paper in the mail saying I owe thousands to some faceless corperation in compensation for something I didn't do. - rebrad, on 10/12/2007, -3/+60Is there an English application? Sounds good to me seeing how the RIAA continues to sue people without a computer. Cheaper than a lawyer.
- jinexile, on 10/12/2007, -0/+46@tzmguitarist
500 deductable on a settlement that averages $4500 doesn't seem too bad. - mcduarte2000, on 10/12/2007, -3/+49Interesting service. And surely cheaper than buying music. Maybe some % of the insurance could go to artists. :)
- sugrloafah, on 10/12/2007, -0/+41A t-shirt only if you get convicted? I guess I'll turn off peerguardian.
- adml_shake, on 10/12/2007, -1/+41Hmm let them argue that in court here. By that logic then, because I have auto insurance and home insurance I'm planning on wrecking my car, and burning my house to the ground?
- MattL920, on 10/12/2007, -0/+38You wouldn't have to use the "I had no idea what I was doing" defense. Instead, you can use the "Yeah, I knew exactly what I was doing. Now here's my insurance information, collect the money from them and piss off" defense.
- pseudojd, on 10/12/2007, -1/+37suspicious yes... it is not self incrimination.
- DBCubix, on 10/12/2007, -18/+53Just to play Devil's Advocate here... supposing that the RIAA wanted to find a way to make more revenue but without all the work of logging IP's, sending information requests to ISPs and so forth (all a costly use of time). Wouldn't it be a lot easier to find a way to get people to self-incriminate themselves by selling insurance? The insuree, by buying the policy, is basically admitting to piracy which makes any case brought against them (with or without evidence), all the much easier. Now I don't know if this insurance company is legitimate or not, but I'm just speculating.
- millixaw, on 10/12/2007, -1/+35I can just imagine the annoying duck now...
RIAA_FLAC!! - r00ts, on 10/12/2007, -5/+35If you sign up for the service will you still be able to use the "I had no idea what I was doing was illegal" defense?
- tzmguitarist, on 10/12/2007, -2/+28I'm pretty sure that this sort of lawsuit insurance will be widely available in the future. I foresee identity theft insurance coverage as another wave of services offered by providers as well.
The unfortunate truth is that as coverage increases the RIAA and MPAA will begin suing at a higher rate - knowing that the litigant is able to pay for the settlement fees. Haphazard suits will run amok as a tactic to make back some of the money (supposedly) lost on illegal trafficking of copywritten materials. - joeyjojo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+25"The insuree, by buying the policy, is basically admitting to piracy"
Not at all. That's like someone buying fire insurance is admitting to arson.
Maybe a person runs an internet cafe, and doens't want to be sued because a patron downloaded an MP3.
Maybe a person wants to share their internet connection.
Maybe a person has kids with friends.
Maybe a person believes the RIAA wields WAY to much power and sues indiscriminantly and finds $19 a safe bet.
Maybe a person just despises the fact that the RIAA has co-opted our legal system and buys the insurance just as a 'FU' to the RIAA...basically to help support others that are sued. - pkulak, on 10/12/2007, -1/+21You can't use that defense anyway.
- Amplix, on 10/12/2007, -0/+19DBCubix, That's like saying that the car accident must have been my fault because I had insurance.
Totally agree with you there Diamondice, with the things these guys have pulled in the past its rather frightening - Chronic, on 10/12/2007, -4/+22My thoughts exactly.
- Sagarian, on 10/12/2007, -7/+24RIAA claims this insurance solely exists as a moral hazard. only those who are guilty would take out a policy. Thus should a subpoena be granted to expose the list of insured people, who would all then be subject to RIAA lawsuits.
I know I know it's a swedish firm, privacy, warrants, etc.. but that's the logic chain absent all those hurdles. - DBCubix, on 10/12/2007, -3/+19To get back to my original assertion... since when was the RIAA ever interested in truth or evidence? If they send you the lawsuit or settlement claim, the majority of people will pay the settlement rather than take it to court. They don't need -evidence- under my argument, just your name and address which you provide when signing up for this insurance.
- Tweekster, on 10/12/2007, -4/+20Um they still have to prove what you did? They dont even have a crime that you committed as being a fact.
Say I go to the police station and admit to killing a bunch of people, would I be convicted? absolutely not.
I can go right up to the RIAA lawyers and say "I download music, I have 10,000 mp3 files all copyrighted and illegally obtained"
What can they do with that? nothing, zero, zip. - Klisk, on 10/12/2007, -3/+19Okay, 19 a year? Where do I sign up?
- pkulak, on 10/12/2007, -0/+15"Explain how."
Money can be exchanged for goods and services. - brandizzle, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16"RIAA claims this insurance solely exists as a moral hazard. only those who are guilty would take out a policy. Thus should a subpoena be granted to expose the list of insured people, who would all then be subject to RIAA lawsuits."
Then they would all get free t-shirts.
I'm jealous =( - SkeletaLlama, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14You could have been rich instead all you got was +3 funny.
- zoto, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12You're giving them too much credit. They're not that smart...
- rlamoni, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10When I suggested this on Slashdot last year I WAS JOKING. :)
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=147920&cid=12395511 - phraud, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12What if this company is actually the RIAA/MPAA, or an affiliate in some way? Perhaps this is their new business model.
Bonus#1 - they get a list of a bunch of filesharers - easy to sue (if they cancel the insurance)
Bonus#2 - they get revenue for filesharing in general
You see, they don't actually sue anyone using this service, or else they would have to pay for both sides of the legal fees. When they trace a potential "bad filesharing person," they can cross-reference the list of insurance customers. If the bad guy is not on the list, he gets sued. If he is on the list, they don't do anything except collect revenue.
Sounds good to me ;) - fizzup, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10This is straightforward.
I have an internet connection. I'm responsible for it. I let others use my internet connection, such as family members and guests. I'm responsible for whatever they do on it. Of course, I do not have complete control over my family (cough, cough), so I want to insure myself to be protected against their bad acts. Done. - Otto, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9>>>"RIAA claims this insurance solely exists as a moral hazard. only those who are guilty would take out a policy. Thus should a subpoena be granted to expose the list of insured people, who would all then be subject to RIAA lawsuits."
At which point the insurance company points out the dozens of cases where the RIAA has sued grandmothers and such who don't even *have* computers. - lobuzz311, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9"I can just imagine the annoying duck now...
RIAA_FLAC!!"
that's awesome! gold star for you. - dustyshadow, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9copyright infringement isn't criminal
- Klisk, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11Explain how.
- Maverick83, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Because Sony BGM, Warner Bros., etc, etc doesn't "make" the entertainment.
- mcbesq, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Translation: Not valid in the US
- adml_shake, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7*since there was no edit function I'll have to add another post*
Well you could also make a strong case that with all the lawsuites they've filed against people that don't have a internet connection or even a computer that these days you just about have to have something like this. - Chronic, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Ill pay thye $19 a month, then download all the ***** i can until i get sued... then wave my free t-shirt in the RIAA's face.
- mcbesq, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Void in most places in America. It is against public policy to insure a person for conviction of their own criminal behavior. It would be like insuring Rigas to remunerate him for fines imposed as a penalty for his own embezzlement.
A parallel is that you cannot have insurance for defense and indemnification for intentional torts such as assault and battery. File sharing is, ostensibly, conversion and trespass to chattel, both intentional torts. One cannot "negligently" pirate intellectual property. - masamunecyrus, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8@Tweekster: They'll frame you, and if that doesn't work, they'll kill you.
Have a nice day~! - fizzup, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7I have liability insurance, but I do not intend to negligently harm another person or their property.
At a few tens of dollars a year, this could protect you against payment as a result of anyone, such as a son, daughter, houseguest, or other user, who used your network connection to share music. One cannot assume that because the insurance is bought, that the owner of the policy is up to no good. - ScionAltera, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7"What if this company is actually the RIAA/MPAA, or an affiliate in some way? Perhaps this is their new business model."
That's not a business model. That's a protection racket. - cosmotron, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Right, they figure that that piece of clothing is all your gonna have left...
- CausticNoise, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8I'm assuming this applies only to Swedes and that the Antipiratbyrån would be the one bringing the lawsuit. There's still a ways to go yet before the RIA of America can sue the Swedish people. Too bad there isn't one in the US, if it's legit.
- daofma, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Here's my question: It says that they will pay for /fines/. Will they pay for settlements? That's the kicker, because if my reading has been right, less than five of the RIAA suits have actually been brought to court, the rest were settled. If you have to take it to court, you're still going to have to pay a load of legal fees. Your lawyer (although... I guess you might be able to get a public defender in this case?) and court fees aren't exactly free.
Settlements would be a better idea for the company too, because they are probably going to be less than is awarded in court, since the RIAA is going to push real hard having to spend the extra lawyer time. - acidzebra, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5weird article, RIAA (an AMERICAN company) has no jurisdiction in sweden. Easy money for the insurance company.
- phraud, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6That's true ;)
- ericnmu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I stole one million dollars last night. I admit.
Am I under arrest? No, *****. -
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