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- Rajio, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3This article is pretty ignorant. The practice of outsourcing has ben around for thousands of years and its not going away in the next 30.
- dravidian, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Population of India: 1,080,264,388
Population of China: 1,306,313,812
Population of USA: 295,734,134
No matter how long you wait there will always be someone over there willing to work cheap. - itassist, on 05/26/2008, -0/+1Most of my friends are working in outsourcing companies. Here's one of them:
http://www.itassist.ro/ - MarkStrube, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1A big reason outsourcing is getting worse recently is because we have a minimum wage. Having that is one of the dumbest things ever, it actually causes inflation and more outsourcing. It's not Bush's fault, it's every president's fault whom allowed something as ignorant as the minimum wage.
- tepster, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The person here who opposed minimum wage is ignorant and uninformed. Please take a few economics and social studies classes.
- kimsonsolutions, on 07/11/2008, -0/+1Find out why you should outsource your IT support with this article :
http://digg.com/business_finance/Why_outsource_you ... - spiderland, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"If you voted for Bush, the blame falls on your shoulders."
Not for tech outsourcing. Kerry stated he couldn't do anything about that in the 2nd debate against Bush. - lightningrod220, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1You know, if you move to the country that said jobs are being sent to, then it's not really "outsourcing" in your perspective, is it?
- lampy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Clinton believed in a Free-Market Policy as well, just like Republicans and any other intellectual Democrat. Talk to any economist and they will always says a Free-Market Policy, outsourcing in this case, beats an isolationist position.
- jasnmb, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"It's simply that these people are not paid well and therefor couldn't care less about you."
By India's standards they are actually paid very well. - linker3000, on 10/12/2007, -0/+130 years - that's an awfully long queue time! Dell?
- Urusai, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Well good thing I'll be able to retire from unemployment in 30 years, then!
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1No one has a problem when Nike "outsources" it's production to China and India where they pay the workers *****, and we the end consumer get cheaper products. It's the same principle, people in India and China will work for significantly lesser dollar amounts than their American counter parts in the tech field and it doesn't help us that we have all these benefits and labor laws that we need that the Indians and Chinese don't have. If you are so appalled against outsourcing, why not fight against Nike/Ecko/whatever myspace mass culture whores designer companies who pay pennies on the dollar and exploit child labor in China/India in the first place?
- vivekshah, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1A well known writer Justin Fox, Forutne.com has written a great article about Outsorucing in Fortune.com last year. The last paragraph says it all...
"For the last 20 years, you've been telling countries like India and China to adopt free markets and join the global economy," says Nilekani of Infosys. "Now that we're doing it, you can't just say, 'Stop it!' "
In fact, we probably really can't. India and the U.S. are already entwined in an economic embrace far more intimate than that which has traditionally linked trading partners, one that could be exceedingly painful to get out of. These guys know what we owe on our credit cards, after all. - Demagogue, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1OUTSOURCING is definetly NOT BAD.
GO check out a book called THE WOLRD IS FLAT by Thomas Friedman. It discusses all of this. - CorpT, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1It's too bad we can't outsouce digg commentors. Maybe that would be an improvement over some of these.
- kiteflyer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1A few points:
* NAFTA was initiated by Reagan so y'all lay off the "It was Clinton no it was Bush".
* India and China have a gigantic underclass that works for next to nothing. As long as that basin of population does not make a decent wage, an engineer there can still live like a king there. - danlemire, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1OUTSOURCING is different from OFF-SHORING. OUTSOURCING is done all the time by companies and will go on forever. OFF-SHORING is a type of outsourcing that sends a particular job function to another country, so I think we're actually talking about OFF-SHORING here.
Also, keep in mind that based on a capitalist system, the rules basically say that you produce what you're great at, and let someone else do everything else. This is the idea behind OUTSOURCING. OFF-SHORING sucks because not only do you have an idiot on the other end of the phone, but he/she is also more difficult to understand because of their accent. - Gigolo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I think I am the only Indian on digg, and I have quite a few things to say about outsourcing.
First of all, it is completely changing how my country lives. Not even five years ago, I remember there were only a small group of people that could afford to eat out every week, buy new clothes, or afford a car. That group has almost tripled in size. This inflow of money is giving Indians a better life.
I know for a fact that outsourcing will not last forever. Several university professors and analysts have already given us complx theories on how the global wealth will equalize. I think the general consensus is that it will be atleast another 20-25 years until the entire world is "flattened" so to speak, but until then outsourcing will continue to grow.
Choking outsourcing will only choke both the American and Indian economies. Americans will always find places to get jobs: the country is full of opportunity. However, in India, there are people who hold post-graduate degreees and cannot find a job good enough to feed their families. That is why these jobs, that are the ***** and stupidest jobs in the entire American economy, hold prestige here. Our government is large and corrupt, and its machinery is slow moving, and there will never be enough jobs to feed everyone's mouths without outsourcing. We need these jobs more than America does.
"Well, I wonder what would happen if we just refuse to trade with nations who don't give a dam about their citizens. Maybe that would get them to change their minds about paying their people crap and then having a horrible human rights record on top of that."
I hate it when people say stuf like this. India has worked hard to make sure that it is democratic, and that it honours human rights. We do not torture call-center workers. We're doing the best we can, and we get insulted for it. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"No one has a problem when Nike "outsources" it's production to China and India where they pay the workers *****, and we the end consumer get cheaper products"
You people are forgetting that everything in India is cheaper.So actually the money that the labourers get paid may not have any value in US but it is still decent in India.
Well,we can get a decent pen here for something like 4-5c.However in US it would cost much more.Thats the difference. - ClintonDeYoung, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I was going to comment on this story here, but I found I had too much to say so I just wrote my own blog about it. If you'd like to check out the ramblings of somebody you don't know or care about, you can read them here: http://www.lucentplum.com/?p=11
Yes, I just installed WordPress and no, I haven't gotten around to implementing my own CSS work. - ghostaliaz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Well people I am American & I think that if I were president I would not even allow any company that closes up jobs from there own country and then goes to these other countries to sell anything else in the USA and I mean it because alot of people are starving here in the USA and all are not rich here and I am a black American, but I do not want all of my jobs here in the usa to goto Africa,india or anywhere else on that side because that is not our problem until we get our own side right. So lets take care of Americans not other countries that hate us anyway and no matter what we do these people could not care if we Americans live or die and me I think the prez should stop these companies from selling in the usa and freeze there all there accounts and spending ability because I am sorry scr** othe countries we need jobs here in the U.S. Plus I am tire of talking to someone that cannot understand anything I say when I call customer service. Dummy Bush has sold us to the highest bidder and you all can say what ever you want about clinton, but we were not in such bad shape as we are in now with this Bush idiot. He only cares about the rich and filthy rich and the everday joe will suffer until this idiots term is up. Good Luck to us all because we will need it.
- binaryHalf, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Outsourcing is a necessary evil. What the world wants is a better product/service for free. Is it possible? Think logically. If you wanna make profits, you gotta save money, If you wanna save money, you gotta live with this.
- dataprocessing, on 06/08/2008, -0/+0After all those who are outsourcing, are gaining from it due to cheap labour cost, so nobody is loosing anything.
- riskable, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0No, actually if robots take over our lives they'll also take over our wars. We'll use them to kill eachother... A far cry from world peace.
Besides that, you're assuming that the rest of the world will have them too. No, rich 1st world countries will have all the good robots and 3rd world countries will still suffer. As long as there are humans, there will always be wars and deadly conflicts.
-Riskable
http://riskable.com
"I have a license to kill -9" - florie, on 02/25/2008, -0/+0All I can say is that outsourcing is here to stay. Everyday, new services are being outsourced...
Ever heard of this?
http://www.agentsofvalue.com/services/virtual-pers ... - Incognito, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Honestly man you're not taking into account the growth rate in America for wages.
Also you can't assume things will be consistent for 30 years.
By the way I called my jobs tech support today which is probably in India.
This idiot kept asking me the dumbest questions.
"Did you try restarting."
"Yes"
"Did you enter the correct password"
"Yes"
"Okay please hold" - coolgeek61813, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0well that is about accurate at the pace that china is going 2030 is when they will over take America as the number one economy
and i always look on the bright side when I'm 47 ill be able to get a good job without fear of getting my job shipped overseas - riskable, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0This article is very short-sighted and fails to account for a number of factors. Most notably, the fact that if China and India start to raise wages, some other country will step in to fill the gap. Who knows what promising 3rd world country will be jumpstarting their economy in 30 years?
My guess is that if we can eradicate the diseases that currently plague the African continent (malaria, AIDS, and TB), the countries there will take the outsourcing torch.
-Riskable
http://www.riskable.com
"I have a license to kill -9" - Chompy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0About a year ago I had a Microsoft dude from Bangalore who actually knew his *****, I was impressed. That said, if there was a button I could push to make outsourcing go away and H3-Bs head back to the motherland, I'd push it in a second. Global economy my ass.
- Porgie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"A big reason outsourcing is getting worse recently is because we have a minimum wage. Having that is one of the dumbest things ever, it actually causes inflation and more outsourcing. It's not Bush's fault, it's every president's fault whom allowed something as ignorant as the minimum wage."
- posted by markstrube (1) at 06:05 PM 1/03/06
Well, I wonder what would happen if we just refuse to trade with nations who don't give a dam about their citizens. Maybe that would get them to change their minds about paying their people crap and then having a horrible human rights record on top of that. We wouldn't have to worry about outsourcing if we just took our market away from them until they straighten up and play ball our way. Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending minimum wage, but which person in America is going to give up their current salary first? Are you? - BBad, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0When I hear the India Lady or Man I just hang up and try a local number. with so many people out of work here it's sad that companies send so many job elsewhere. It wouldn't be so bad if you could understand them and if they weren't reading from a script, but they are and it sucks!
- Porgie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"OUTSOURCING is definetly NOT BAD.
GO check out a book called THE WOLRD IS FLAT by Thomas Friedman. It discusses all of this."
demagogue posted by demagogue (3) at 06:41 PM 1/03/06
I read about this guy Friedman in Global Politics. He's a proponent on giving up our economic decision making to non-governmental organizations. Yeah, that's a good thing. - Linuxrocks, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1""
If you voted for Bush, the blame falls on your shoulders.
I hope you happy, pigs.
GhostFreeman posted by GhostFreeman (0) at 05:25 PM 1/03/06
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Too bad there was already outsourcing before he was elected... its not his fault... its the consumers... we continue to buy the products and never do anything about it...
Of course we buy the products, not every American was a factory worker. It sucks for those who were, but it's life.. - RedLibertyX, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Screw multinational corporations. We need multinational unions.
And this 30 years' end of outsourcing sounds like a pipe dream. The current wage differential may be solved, but a new one will arrive. Outsourcing has gone on for as long as the capitalist system has been in effect. Thinking that it is a new phenomena is like thinking that oil companies only just start gouging us, or that terrorism is something that we've only had to face since 2001.
In addition minimum wage does not cause outsourcing; neither does Bush. Minimum wage may be a factor that many corporations use to relocate minimum wage jobs like manufacturing or agricultural work on corporate plantations. Minimum wage does not reflect most "white collar" or salaried jobs that are included in this new push to end outsourcing. Bush represents a corporate view of outsourcing, and is neither the cause nor innocent he is being portrayed by many on these boards.
One last statement: the market may be an exceptional way to organize business and individual interests. It may even have a plausible benefit to the public at large. However, do not mistake the market as some sort of all-seeing, all-powerful, end-all solution to humanity's problems, especially since we do not live in any sort of free or fair market system. Outsourcing as it exists in the modern mindset is just symptomatic of a greater problem with current economic thinking: that the market is the only mechanism capable for social benefit. If one is to think that, it must also be culpable in domestic and foreign reaction. - feedscott, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I heard that HP is bringing some tech support jobs back to the US, because of the communication issues.
- Calculon64, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Until the general population of those country's that we outsource to have a standard of living that is on par with more developed nations outsourcing will exist.
- b0neman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0The numbers these guys are coming up with are so preposterous it boggles my mind. There is no amount of money or jobs that is going to improve the standards of living for the worker bees in *ANY* Third World country. Take India for example. There are over a Billion people there. If we can believe the CIA, 25% of them were below the poverty line in 2002. More than 250 million people below the poverty line, in what I'll assume is the Indian poverty line.
They had a 482 million strong labor force in 2K4. About 44 million of the people were unemployed. They had a per capita buying power of $3100. Average per capita in the US of 2K4 was about $40000.
I don't believe outsourcing is in any danger of leaving the scene and I haven't even brought up China, Africa, the Phillipines, Mexico, heck Central and South America, the rest of the Middle East once we get control of some of the big players in the region...
You'd have to see it for yourself. If you actually spent some time in India as I did you'd understand that these numbers (30 years) are insane. I saw ladies sweeping the streets, not with machines but with brooms! There were people hustling for pens. Ball point pens. There will always be enough poor people to exploit and *we* will always be richer than them. Why do you think everyone HATES America and the rest of the "Free World?" - Fieri, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Most of you guys here are crazy. Minimum wage causes outsourcing, not Bush. Think about it. If employers are not allowed to pay workers the wages they want, they will leave that worker to be hired by a foreign company. The infringement on freedom of contract known as minimum wage causes a host of problems, one of which is outsourcing.
- Stomper, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0The down side of Globalization is shared poverty. Most advocates of Globalization will tell you it has an equalizing effect that raises wages of the poor in third world countries. This is true, the average wages in the third world go from 50 cents an hour to $1.50 an hour, but what they forget to tell you is the average first world wage drops from $18.00 per hour to $5.15 per hour. Then the question becomes, does it matter that I can get a TV for $79.99 at Wal-Mart if I am living in a cardboard box ?
- dataprocessing, on 10/29/2008, -0/+0Outsourcing is a great way of cutting cost and increase profit
- crispytown, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0It will last as long as it is cheaper to do outsourcing then bring in a team at your local office.
Just my 2 cents. - fanboy00, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"My only worry is that by that time robots will be performing *all* the operations involved in harvesting raw materials, assembling products, construction, transportation, and even sales. What the hell are people going to do for money then? Not everyone can be a robot repair man."
lol, If we ever reach this stage, there would be world peace. You wouldn't have to worry about working for food or necessities, since the robots would all provide it for you.
riskable (0), rather then worrying about robots stealing your job.. you should be worried about non-renewable resources, and protecting the environment for future generations. - Rajio, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Seriously? you're worried about robots?
- 42kami, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0poorly researched source and nothing more than hollow speculation. it says 30 or more years in certain countries, And less in others. it also doesn't mention that as countries like india and china become more expensive, cheaper countries will step into their shoes.
this article, from the original digger's wording, pretty much says, "in 30 years, there will be no more poor countries with cheap labor." utter bull. - Reddog_x2000, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Always take long term predictions with a grain of salt. All they can do is extapolate from current trends. They have no idea what variables might throw them off.
Think of how different things might be if Perot hadn't run in 92 and Bush the first had won re-election. Or, if just 1000 more people had voted for Gore in Fla in 2000. Or if 9/11 had never happened. And, oh yeah, there is that internet thing that no one had heard of in 76.
See, predictions that far out are just crap shoots. - eswari83, on 10/06/2008, -0/+030 years how stupid
- MonkeyLord, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I am surprised that no one has drawn out the correlations between outsourcing, robots and Bible prophecy. :-)
- riskable, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I forgot to mention something else: Unless we have a revolutionary discovery in energy storage (something as good as oil) the cost of outsourcing goods will continue to rise. In 30 years the cost of oil will be drastically higher than it is now. It will cost a hell of a lot more to ship Chinese-made widgets to the U.S. so there will be an equalizing effect. Even though Americans cost more, it will still be cheaper to manufacture goods here.
My only worry is that by that time robots will be performing *all* the operations involved in harvesting raw materials, assembling products, construction, transportation, and even sales. What the hell are people going to do for money then? Not everyone can be a robot repair man.
-Riskable
http://www.riskable.com
"I have a license to kill -9" -
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