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- vidalsasoon, on 04/20/2009, -1/+55P.S: You're fired.
- scalded, on 04/21/2009, -4/+55For those wondering why Sun was sold:
http://imgur.com/CYy1.gif - Karai, on 04/21/2009, -3/+31And development of MySQL stops in 3... 2... 1...
- jonahan52, on 04/21/2009, -0/+16Hrm wonder whats gonna be done with ZFS now...
- RogerStrong, on 04/21/2009, -4/+18"totally redefines the industry"
In the same way that Compaq acquiring DEC totally redefined the industry.
Or Corel acquiring Quatro.
Or whoever acquired the rights to the Amiga. - rutvik1, on 04/21/2009, -1/+15I'm still trying to figure out how/why Sun is up for sale?
Anyone care to shed some light on this? - cubicledrone, on 04/21/2009, -3/+17Layoffs ahoy! And another couple dozen/hundred/thousand well-paid, competent, qualified, hard-working Americans are shoved out the door. Let's see how long it takes to get to six million layoffs.
Well, it might take a little longer because they do have to train their replacements first. Then they get fired. - RajAtWork, on 04/21/2009, -1/+13Go Postgresql!
- lkratz, on 04/21/2009, -0/+12DELETE FROM sun_employees WHERE department = 'R&D' AND group = 'Hardware' OR salary > 50000 ;
1096 rows deleted
COMMIT; - bradleyland, on 04/21/2009, -0/+12MySQL is FOSS. Oracle can't kill it any more than Microsoft could kill Linux by buying all the Linux vendors.
- nepidae, on 04/21/2009, -0/+11Interestingly enough the MySQL 2009 conference started today.
- bffoley, on 04/21/2009, -0/+10It wont. Oracle's DB stuff is mostly enterprise level stuff and MySQL is mostly stuff that's not (i.e. forums, small business' databases, etc etc). They'll keep it around because it'll be a thorn in the side of Microsoft's SQL Server.
- ericdano, on 04/21/2009, -0/+9Until Oracle decides that it doesn't need a bunch of stuff that Sun thinks is valuable.......like chip making.....
- j7own, on 04/21/2009, -0/+9"This is one of the toughest emails I've ever had to write." - Funny, when I worked there I read the same sentence probably 5 times in 5 different RIF emails.
- Hydraulix, on 04/21/2009, -0/+8Due to the thousands of layoffs that Sun had to do. I'm assuming things weren't going well under the sun.
- GeekNurse, on 04/21/2009, -0/+7"Thank you for everything you've done over the years, and for everything you will do in the future to carry the business forward. I'm incredibly proud of this company and what we've accomplished together."
Now get the ***** out. - brenisa, on 04/21/2009, -3/+10Sun didn't do well for the same reason SGI didn't do well. SGI decided in the early nineties (when they were vastly better than everyone out there) that they couldn't compete with the PC graphics card industry so they weren't going to even try. Eventually the PC got better but SGI machines never got cheaper so they were marginalized.
Sun at the same time was a reliable industry workhorse and continued to be so until PCs got faster and linux came along and did to Sun hardware what PC graphics cards did to SGI. Java and other open efforts also can't compete with the sheer volumes of windows applications available on PCs.
In both cases, bean counters at other companies discovered that other hardware and software could do the job for less.
Only Apple has had the foresight and creative depth to reinvent itself when presented with similar issues. - tyronenguyen, on 04/21/2009, -2/+8Yea Schwartz, it must be really tough to collect your multi million dollar golden parachute. BOO HOO. Way to manage the company into the ground, you carpetbagger.
- akurashy, on 04/21/2009, -1/+7I was also looking forward to IBM buying Sun, what kind of changes will Java take.. well for all Sun technologies
- airencracken, on 04/21/2009, -2/+8I was kind of hoping IBM would buy Sun. If only so they would consider GPLing ZFS, DTrace, and some of Sun's other technologies that are under the CDDL.
- robdiggity, on 04/21/2009, -0/+5Hmm maybe. I sharted a tiny bit trying to decipher your comment.
- tmuth, on 04/21/2009, -0/+3Since Oracle already GPL'd Btrfs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Btrfs), which they wrote from scratch, there's no reason to think they won't GPL ZFS and DTrace. For what it's worth, here's some of thier contributions to Open Source:
http://www.oracle.com/technologies/linux/linux-tec ...
And yes, I work there ;) - Archer007, on 04/21/2009, -0/+3Updated: http://static.arstechnica.com/assets/2009/04/sun-o ...
- inactive, on 04/21/2009, -4/+7OMG, You mean he DIDN'T Twitter the layoff notices to everyone!? That's so 2002!
- ernestlehmann, on 04/21/2009, -1/+4Ellison is drinking and sailing and shouting, "All your base are belong to us!"
- ratsg, on 04/21/2009, -0/+3Aside from its continuing evolution, what more needs to be done. If you have read anything from Oracle's web site, you will see that Solaris will continue to march forward (with ZFS).
And, ZFS is already being used in *BSD. Plus, it will be in the next version of Apple's Mac OS X. - tmuth, on 04/21/2009, -0/+3Dude, I work their and I actually heard someone suggest that in a meeting. There was an uncomfortable chuckle that filled the room and I'm pretty sure that guy had no idea why everyone was laughing at him. Fortunately he wasn't a developer or I'm pretty sure that would have been a career limiting move.
- mrBitch, on 04/21/2009, -0/+3"I see your Schwartz is as big as mine..."
and...
Dark Helmet: "So, Lone Star, now you see that evil will always triumph because good is dumb." - kollross, on 04/21/2009, -0/+3One thing I know will happen, Larry will shoot anybody who comes anywhere near the ZFS (solaris) code base with any GPL license. They just paid 7 billion dollars for essentially Solaris and Java, they are not going to let anybody (red hat) come in and take the crown jewels.
- vrikis, on 04/21/2009, -0/+3actually, all layoffs which were underway are now cancelled until oracle has full control. they then need to decide what they want to do with sun staff (which will at least halt layoffs for a while). that doesn't mean there will/won't be layoffs, so let's hope for the best. they may end up keeping all staff.
- mdmcgee, on 04/21/2009, -0/+2You do realize there are still people working in the sparc designs?
- mrBitch, on 04/21/2009, -0/+2Even more interesting, what happens to Apple's current DTrace in OSX Leopard, and Apple's integration of ZFS into OSX Snow Leopard ?
- BenderFlexo, on 04/21/2009, -0/+2Larry and Steve are buds, I bet Leopard gets full ZFS support
- pak314, on 04/21/2009, -1/+3Rename it MycrosoftSQL Server.
- shinkou, on 04/21/2009, -2/+4Oracle Database completely rewritten in Java!
- BenderFlexo, on 04/21/2009, -0/+2Drinking? or smoking?
- mdmcgee, on 04/21/2009, -0/+2t0x2c :
So, you're not a Sun employee, but you've talked to a couple of the thousands of employees at Sun. Who?
You claim the department is being cut back, yet they haven't done SPARC designs in years.
Which is it? Of course if the department hadn't been doing anything for years then I might cut them back too. Not hiring new CPU design staff is certainly no indication that SPARC design is being halted, nor does it indicate anything about tomorrow or next week. It does suggest the department has the staff it needs and a simple google search exposes that new designs have been coming out of SUN and constant improvements have been made. In fact they have what is arguably the most awesome CPU design currently available.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPARC
http://www.sun.com/processors/throughput/faqs.html
http://www.sun.com/processors/UltraSPARC-T2/
It looks to me like you are just pontificating. - wilhoitm, on 04/21/2009, -0/+2Cisco should buy Oracle and then spin off the database products, except for MySQL!
- Karai, on 04/21/2009, -0/+2Good point.
- xavyre, on 04/21/2009, -1/+2"Burp" and then IBM comes along and buys Oracle. Problem solved.
- Scaryclouds, on 04/21/2009, -1/+2You do realize that Java, by a fairly comfortable margin, is the most used programming language right?
- BrokenVisage, on 04/21/2009, -2/+3-- May the Schwartz be with you!
- wilhoitm, on 04/21/2009, -0/+1Oracle is going to screw up MySQL! Let's start praying now!
- BenderFlexo, on 04/21/2009, -0/+1Not funny at all! Wait a second, can you install it without getting Java anymore?
- cfuse, on 04/21/2009, -1/+2Please change the licence so that we can roll it into the linux kernel.
- BradBrown, on 04/21/2009, -0/+1Write once, run slowly anywhere!
- Mutiny32, on 04/21/2009, -0/+1He doesn't have a choice. ZFS is rapidly being encroached upon by filesystems like Btrfs and Java is pretty much OSS. If Oracle tries to close it off, the community will stonewall it; instead branching the code and making it de-facto
- bffoley, on 04/21/2009, -0/+1@Scaryclouds: While I agree Java is too popular for Oracle to screw with, I think "by a fairly comfortable margin" is debatable .
- kollross, on 04/21/2009, -0/+1I say he has a pretty good choice option, and keep it under the CDDL. He just obtained a key asset in solaris with this purchase, I don't look for him to GPL it and allowing red hat to start marketing his technologies that he just paid a sh!t load of money for (hard for any company and harder for the larry king of the egos).
I'm just saying larry finally has an OS, I don't foresee him opening up the gates and allowing the competitors to raid the pantry and take what they want.
BTRS was Oracle realizing the Linux file systems suck. Considering they have a vested interest in that market as well I can see them developing it, if anything to better their product lines. Now they have solaris (along with zfs) as a differentiator from red hat. - t0x2c, on 04/21/2009, -3/+3I kind of like Sun. I would have loved to work on the SPARC designs, even though they haven't really done that for years anyways.
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