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- Noctem, on 12/13/2007, -5/+66I used to dislike Opera back in the 7.x-8.x days, but 9.5 is shaping up to be a great piece of software. Lightweight, fast, and usable out of the box, unlike Firefox where you need to download 10 different extensions just to get the same features Opera has right off the bat. It's a great alternative to the relatively featureless IE and memory hog FF.
- MillionsLivio, on 12/13/2007, -4/+62I used to be a huge Firefox supporter, but about half a year back I gave Opera another try and I love it. All of the features don't bloat it at all, it's very efficent. Give it another try, worth a shot guys.
- bacio, on 12/13/2007, -3/+41opera bloated? you might want to check your facts, opera is sleek, and a powerful browser, thats lightweight on memory
- mtied, on 12/13/2007, -3/+38I think alot of you are missing the point of the lawsuit. The main issue is that Microsoft needs to open itself up to standards. Opera's viewpoint is not Opera vs Microsoft, but it's web standards vs Microsoft.
This is a quote from Opera:
"We, as Web users, will greatly benefit when Microsoft will start supporting Web standards, something which the other major Web browsers (Firefox, Opera, and Safari) have been doing for quite some time already." - bagelpirate, on 12/13/2007, -9/+44Opera ftw.
- inactive, on 12/13/2007, -1/+34One version is for IE the other one is for opera users
- Makaveli604, on 12/13/2007, -13/+44Opera > FireFox
- Llanowar, on 12/13/2007, -3/+29Actually, it was free, but a fee for a version without ads.
A company has to survive somehow, do you think it's easy to maintain a site and lots of employees without any income? - slambert90, on 12/13/2007, -4/+24As any web developer should know, IE is a horrific browser filled with security holes. Use Opera instead, it's extremely fast and safe.
- inactive, on 12/13/2007, -2/+22Someone needs to write a TrollBlock extension.
- mtied, on 12/13/2007, -0/+19They can't. It's all in Adobe's hands sadly. Flash 7 is the latest version available for licensing from Adobe. This means no Flash 9 for platforms not directly supported by Adobe.
- wetard57, on 12/13/2007, -1/+20i begin to imagine all the people when they turn on there new computers without IE say where did the "INTERNET" icon go?
- MillionsLivio, on 12/13/2007, -2/+21I completely agree, I used to dislike Opera, but the newer releases are really turning out great.
- rudy23, on 12/13/2007, -10/+27IE is the worst browser I have used. Inspite of what people say IE7 is crap and useless. It takes agaes to load pages and is slow as hell. try loading Digg comments in IE vs FF vs Safari and you will see why IE is so bad. Not to mention I would never go to semi shady sites using IE.
- peterberry, on 12/13/2007, -2/+18How would an average user get a different browser if there wasn't one included to download another?
- strax, on 12/13/2007, -2/+15I like this complaint, it is a different tact. It is more about how Microsoft is abusing IE's dominence to keep web standards from being more widely adopted, since developers have to choose between supporting IE or supporting the most recent official standards.
- livestradamus, on 12/13/2007, -7/+19*****, for a second there I thought that said Oprah
/puts the drink down - floguy, on 12/13/2007, -1/+13That's exactly Opera's point.
- mtied, on 12/13/2007, -6/+17Because, Safari uses web standards. It's more about standards vs Microsoft.
- moojj, on 12/13/2007, -4/+15Wow, why the hell did Digg add my story twice?
http://digg.com/tech_news/Opera_vs_IE_Round_One_Fi ... - hadak, on 12/13/2007, -0/+11I agree with Opera's views.
- fkr3, on 12/13/2007, -1/+11Yes, he does think that. Because his parents pay for all of his expenses using money that presumably just appears as it's needed.
- brianary, on 12/13/2007, -0/+10Non-IE on non-IE violence is how the man keeps us down!
- kpaphysicist, on 12/13/2007, -2/+11Just jab IE in the stomach; it will drop its pants. Then go for the knockout. Not that hard...
- mtied, on 12/13/2007, -0/+9Here is a video from Opera's CTO, Håkon Wium Lie, explaining the antitrust suit
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3qx5b_opera-cto- ... - inactive, on 12/13/2007, -2/+11I just started opera today on my USB key because i wanted to try something new. I am never going back to anything else except for the use of firefox when i develop and IE7 to test those pages. Opera FTW
- inactive, on 12/13/2007, -0/+8OEM desktop icons for installation.
- kris33, on 12/13/2007, -1/+9Adblock is not the same as adblocking. Adblock is auto updating, Opera's adblocking is not.
- Fr00sh, on 12/13/2007, -2/+10Opera has Adblock. Right-click and select block content, then press what you want to get rid off, then you never see it again.
- blindwisdom, on 12/13/2007, -1/+8The argument from Opera is that IE's broken web standards combined with the fact that it has the widest market share prevent competitors from entering the market. Safari is Acid 2 complient, so it doesn't apply to Opera's claims. Personally, I think that argument has merit, but I doubt anything will come of this complaint.
- sancho, on 12/13/2007, -2/+9Plenty of people use Opera. It's a great browser, as long as you don't need much extensibility.
- inactive, on 12/13/2007, -1/+8You would think any web developer would know this but for some reason I hit many enterprise, corporate websites that tell me I have an incompatible browser when using Opera.
- somegeologist, on 12/13/2007, -8/+14Time to upgrade that pentium II box.
- bagelpirate, on 12/13/2007, -0/+6He was comparing other browsers and said IE was the slowest, how would that be his connection?
- Ndiggnation, on 12/13/2007, -5/+11Opera is great in Windows, but I use FF everywhere else. Opera is ugly on Linux, because of the toolkit it uses. IE, in the IT industry is a neccessary evil to have around..unforutnately.
- MillionsLivio, on 12/13/2007, -1/+7They already do, I'm using it and it blocks all the annoying ads on Digg.
- potifar, on 12/13/2007, -1/+7Opera has Site-Specific Preferences as well, that let you enable/disable scripting, plugins, Java etc. for specific sites.
- kris33, on 12/13/2007, -2/+8IE isn't just pre-installed, it is system integrated. That is the problem + that IE doesn't follow standards.
- peterberry, on 12/13/2007, -0/+6Good point, however, average users would still probably click on the IE icon because that's what they're used to.
- moulin1, on 12/14/2007, -0/+6Years ago, Microsoft designed its web development software (frontpage etc) to boot competitors browsers from webpages. Opera responded by spoofing the browser id as IE by default. So web admins never saw any stats for the number of opera users on the net. This hurt operas reputation but they had no choice. Either hide their identity or Microsoft would kick their users off the net. The Netscape lawsuit ended that but to this day operas user stats are still grossly underrated. I have been using opera for 12 years and have not had a copy of iexplore.exe on my machine for almost as long.
- natenovs, on 12/13/2007, -0/+5i dont get it. the page looks like crap.....
- mtied, on 12/13/2007, -1/+6The problem really isn't the users, it's the fact that web developers have to make sure that their page is coded for IE (not using standards) and also can be read by the other browsers which does use standards. If IE would just start supporting the standards we wouldn't have this issue.
- Naqaj, on 12/13/2007, -11/+16Why aren't they sueing Apple for including Safari into OSX?
- MarkKezner, on 12/13/2007, -0/+5Serious web developers should have all sorts of browsers available to them. They should have severak version snapshots of the major browsers as well.
But you are right, Opera's a cool browser. It has lots of features out of the box. Using Opera made me change the way I set up my Firefox as well. - radink360, on 12/13/2007, -11/+16***** this, Opera needs to quit ***** around and update the damn flash version in the Wii browser!
- zwaldowski, on 12/13/2007, -0/+5Correct. I know people all over my school that refer to the Internet itself as the 'Blue E'. Many students rename Internet Explorer to simply Internet. Ironically, my math teacher renamed his to 'Netscape'. 0o
- crazydiode, on 12/13/2007, -4/+9IE7 is pure crap. Maybe this lawsuit can fore MSFT to code per industry standards instead of that ***** IE.
- inactive, on 12/13/2007, -1/+6http://www.webstandards.org/files/acid2/test.html# ...
Go there in Opera, IE7, IE6, Safari and Firefox.
The reson it doesnt do some pages properly is because people are moron and write markup for IE instead of writing for a standard compliant browser and doing fixes for IE. - corevette, on 12/13/2007, -22/+27battling over second place i see
- flareback, on 12/13/2007, -2/+6I for one welcome the suit. Maybe Microsoft will finally make IE standards compliant. That would be the best outcome.
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