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- diecastbeatdown, on 10/12/2007, -1/+47glad ODF was adopted over Microsofts implementation, there was a big fuss over this at the last Linux World. Now things can move forward as planned. though knowing microsoft, they will continue with their standard and screw the ISO and any other organizations standards just like they do with IE and everything else. =/
- lassel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+28http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A4_paper_size
Like most other European standards it is based on math.
A4 is half the size of A3 which is half the size of A2 which is half the size of A1 which is half the size of A0 which is a piece of paper with the dimension 1:√2 and is near 1 sq. meter. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+23It's an international standard called A4. It's roughly 297x210mm.
- 1qazxsw2, on 10/12/2007, -5/+24"Not a damn thing. Companies will stick to MS Office."
Look, another sighting of the morons that think ODF=OpenOffice. Words like "Open Document FORMAT" are lost upon these folks. It's a FORMAT not an APPLICATION. - IEatHamburgers, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16"The Open Document Format has been published as an official standard by the International Organization for Standardization last week. What will this mean for the future of office apps?"
It guarantees that the U.S. will never adopt it. - ojk007, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12this is a step forward, time to jump on the bandwagon M$ and Apple.
though they already kinda have... - smeager, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9I think he was refereing to the fact that Microsoft will not use it in Office and will use its own offerings (OpenXML) instead. I mean thats what they normally do right? Hasen't that been the case for many years now. The ISO and other's create standards in the hopes to create cross-plateform compatability and then Microsoft caomes along and creates its own "standard".
- Aggort, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8I think it's a bit more crucial for Apple to jump on this bandwagon. They have, but they aren't holding on like they need to. With this, they can finally rid of ALL Microsoft programs. This would be great considering how many people a day I show Neo Office off to as well as several other great Microsoft Office for Mac replacements!
Yea, we are now all moving forward, especially in my opinion Linux, but I think this is a chance for Apple to remove a now unnecessary evil and take a giant lead on this bandwagon! - Mike89, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Yep, our (well, Australia I'm speaking on behalf of) standard is A4, which is 29.7 x 21 cm.
*edit* beaten. - mrfreeziexp, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8*cough*
Blu-Ray. - kokorhekkus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6@foobar5982
Headline of article in Computer Business Review: "Microsoft bows to customer demand with ODF support". Microsoft is really big but it isn't immovable in any way. With enough customer pressure from really major customers things happen.
http://www.cbronline.com/article_news.asp?guid=5F3A7CD5-6E9E-4439-B375-4391ADFD2BBD - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6I WILL USE PAPER 'N PENCIL.
- cosmotron, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7ISO = International Organization for Standardization...?
Why isn't it IOS?
Edit: nevermind, ISO isn't an initializsm, it is latin for Equal. - xamox, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Someone should pass the word on to Sony and all their failed proprietary media formats.
*cough*
Mini-disc
Sony Dynamic Digital Sound
Multi-Media Compact Disc
HiFD
Memory Stick
Super Audio CD
UMD
*cough* - IEatHamburgers, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6No Betamax?
- notnoisy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7They are not publishing ODF as a standard over OpenXML. OpenXML will still be a standard, but through a different process.
MS will support ODF in any case, so no problem for anyone. - chriskzoo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6"(who uses letter-size besides US and Canada?)"
Not a joke - what do they use in Europe/The rest of the world? I assume it's not 8 1/2" x 11", but what is the standard in cm? - bobbknight, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Three cheers for the ISO, long live ODF.
- loconet, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I'm not sure if you are being sarcastic but just in case, Standards in the long run, help innovation.
- prammy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4How did they sell out OOo? Its an added file format that their version will support and one that they said that they will release the source to the OOo team.
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20061204-8350.html
Yea I know its probably chic to hate Novell now, but they have released the source for things like YAST2, Ximian Connector etc so I see this as a valuable addition for OOo.
Regardless of what you may feel about Microsoft, the ability for people who use OOo to read/write to MSOffice formats is a huge bonus for them to migrate to OOo and increase the marketshare for OpenOffice. - emer, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Unfortunately this doesn't mean that it will become a commonly used standard. The Microsoft Office 2007 RTM defaults to using their Open XML format. Anyone think that they're ever going to set ODF as the default format in MS office.... probably not.
Most people will likely continue to use the default format and won't think anything of it, so it ends up being what ever MS picks. - 1qazxsw2, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6Foobar...see if you can follow along here...
ODF != Open Source. Again, it's a format, a standard, NOT a PROGRAM. It's a method of storing data along the lines of RTF or PDF, both open STANDARDS and widely used by closed and open source APPLICATION providers.
MS is already doing work to implement it. Oh dear God how can you bow before your MS deity now....grow up, open your mind and think for yourself for once fanboy. - kaiyen, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3As someone who used to work in the accessibility field, I personally am just excited that it's an official standard, and that even MS has agreed to add the ability to save as an ODF document. One can argue all day (and many of you will, and I will, too, at least in my head, just not in this particular post) about whether companies should start adopting this as the "true" document standard. Yes, it needs to be extended in many ways, but for accessibility, this is a huge move. I'm glad to see that the efforts of folks such as those from the Repository for the Blind and Dyslexic have gotten somewhere.
- duxxyuk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3as quoted on their site :
Because "International Organization for Standardization" would have different abbreviations in different languages ("IOS" in English, "OIN" in French for Organisation internationale de normalisation), it was decided at the outset to use a word derived from the Greek isos, meaning "equal". Therefore, whatever the country, whatever the language, the short form of the organization's name is always ISO. - IEatHamburgers, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5It's called A4 or something. It's roughly equivalent to 8.5x11 but not equivalent enough - letter-sized documents printed on A4 come out screwy and vice-versa.
I think you notice it a little less on the web because most documents on the net get put in .PDF and Adobe Acrobat automatically scales it up/down. - loconet, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3@ryannerd
He didn't say it was an application but he implied it (maybe accidentally) by comparing it to to MS Office. MS Office is welcomed to implement ODF and people can stick with MS Office. - bleonard, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2How about Apple's Pages? I'd like to see Apple adopt the ODF and use it as a primary format instead of the xml they use now. One thing that helped Word become huge was the ".doc" standard. Apple needs a winner and they should embrace .odf.
- thinkdrastic, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5"I think it's a bit more crucial for Apple to jump on this bandwagon. They have, but they aren't holding on like they need to. With this, they can finally rid of ALL Microsoft programs."
Not quite. Until they've got a completely Exchange-compatible solution (and I mean completely compatible - e-mail, calendar, tasks, contacts, the works) and/or a complete replacement for the Outlook/Exchange combination, large corporates won't be swayed. iCal and Mail are a good start, but they're not enough. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1“Necessity is the mother of invention” said Greek philosopher Plato in the Republic dialogue. commonly understood as a need or problem that encourages creative efforts to resolve. It is incomplete; should be “Necessity is the mother of invention; innovation is the result”
Best source for examples is everywhere around us. Not in a clinical lab, research environment, forum group etc. Innovation thrives where some resources (like money) are scarce and other resources (like people) are aplenty. Communities on the net are a perfect example of how inventions and innovation are going... - spdorsey, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1This means that Microsoft will offer ODF as an option to open/save, but it will not be the default option. Since no one ever changes their defaults, it will never catch on as a standard.
That's just a guess, but it is such a Microsoft thing to do. - dennbruce, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I guess Microsoft will be publishing an add-on, but until then or inspite of...
ODF Add-in for Microsoft Word
Open XML Translator provides tools to build a technical bridge between the Open XML Formats and Open Document Format(ODF). As the first component of this initiative, the ODF Add-in for Microsoft Word 2007 allows to Open & Save ODF documents in Word.
http://sourceforge.net/projects/odf-converter - gamer82987, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1at least the new office 2007 (if ms keeps it's word) can read other formats besides microsoft's own, it's a step in the right direction. I work at a computer lab in my university and you would not believe the hassle of people having non microsoft formatted documents not opening in our labs which leaves plenty of students steaming mad because their essays would not print out. I wish i had the authority to install other office programs for the but the university higher ups wont let me.
And I digress from opening documents from people I don't even know. kinda sucks, but as an admin, this new office would at least makes my life and the student's life a tad bit easier. - bisserke, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Great!
Too bad Novell just sold out OO.o by supporting OOXML. For which MS won't waive all it's patent claims. - jav1231, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Glad you brought that up. I'm not sure with this new move MS will offer ODF support. Who knows?
- JQP123, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"... just take a look how IE passes the acid test."
Yes, just think if IE had stuck to the standard and never introduced XMLHttpRequest. Ajax wouldn't be one of; if not *the*, hottest web development methodology on the planet right now.
Just to clarify, I don't like how IE supports standards either. Many of the deviations lack any obvious justification in my opinion but this is not always the case. Standards are made to be broken. - cynicist, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"And does it really matter?"
Umm I don't want a company influenced by money to set any kind of standards. It should be obvious to you that they could be inclined to make it difficult for competitors to create products which support those standards if they chose to. I'm in favor of interoperability and choice in software. (by the way, I don't think the military makes the best/most informed decisions) - firebee, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Read and get some sense: http://www.iso.org/iso/en/faqs/faq-general.html
- loconet, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1From your posts, I get the impression you don't fully comprehend what having standards means.
Think about the technology you are using for a second. From the wire layer, to ip, to tcp/ip, to the HTML you are using to post your comments to the css that makes the page look pretty. All standards. Thanks to this I'm posting this from a Linux machine and you can view it on your own platform. No vendor lock-in, freedom of implementing the standard. Think beyond the ms curtain. - IzeasGT, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Wouldn't most of the results for "evolution" yield, you know, evolution as in Darwin?
- macewan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1http://www.digg.com/apple/The_lock_out_begins_for_Office_Mac_users
Maybe they need to seriously consider OpenOffice.org instead. - 1021, on 10/12/2007, -6/+5I've been using OpenOffice for a few years now and I must be honest and say that Microsoft Office 2007 has just blown me away with how productive an environment it creates. I mean, being able manipulate text/images with such short strokes of the mouse is absolutely amazing.
- JQP123, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"And does it really matter?"
It matters only to the extent that industry, consumers, etc. accept, endorse and follow any particular standard. As of the end of 2005, the ISO had 15649 standards in place. I haven't conducted a survey but my guess is that a significant number of these are technologically obsolete. Others have little or no real world impact and could easily be eliminated without anyone really caring. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1is that what you used to add your comment? Duh...
- Incognito, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Aggort I dug you up just for saying Neo Office
Lol its so true - duxxyuk, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Well I hope in that case the European commission will catch them out for not using ISO standards per default.
- Ramsees79, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Because we all know Microsoft implement standars, just take a look how IE passes the acid test.
- noouch, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1...until the office decides to go paperless. I hear computers don't retain data very well wenn it's input with a pencil.
- warnerdan42, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0This is significant development, but as some of the comments indicate it needs to be accompanied with a good bit of education. Anyone who runs a business or directs a government agency needs know just how short-sighted and foolish it is to entrust their data and their documents to someone else's proprietary format.
- mooninite, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1thinkdrastic, it already exists. Google "Evolution"
*sigh* Ignorance must be bliss. - duxxyuk, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0I was wondering what would replace OpenOffice if I bought one of Apple's tempting Intel PowerBook Pro's. On my Linux to OSX list there is now a tick next to OpenOffice.
Thankyou for mentioning Neo Office -
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