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- bookishboy, on 10/11/2007, -2/+113This is NOT a significant win. Since when is a promise before Congress enforceable? Maybe they won't start applying these new rates.... for now.
This gives Big Media, via the RIAA, leverage over internet radio..... and not just internet radio, *any* internet broadcaster who uses music at all.
The new rules don't even allow exceptions for non-copyrighted music, or music by creators who want their creations to be used freely. SoundExchange becomes the collection agent for everything. If you are an internet broadcaster who broadcasts your own music, you'd owe them for the privilege. They're not going to collect it from you? For now? Wow, how generous of them.
Please, people, this is *not* a victory. It puts online broadcasters under the thumb of the RIAA and their associates.
If the RIAA were not interested in applying leverage over these broadcasters, or eventually charging them higher rates, they would not have fought so hard to get this enacted into law. - Trention, on 10/11/2007, -2/+100Uh, this deal is temporary. Nothing has been really saved.
- loudersoft, on 10/11/2007, -12/+91This story is a huge and significant win for webcasters and internet radio.
- bmatherlyjr, on 10/11/2007, -3/+45Umm I hate to spoil the party kiddos but Sound Exchange promised that they would never go after FM radio for performance rights royalties either in front of congress 40 + years ago. Guess what; they are going after FM for performance rights royalties. Listen to yourselves for christ sakes; you're going to take the word given by an organization that has attempted to sue kids (minors) and disabled (physical disabled) and dead people for unpaid royalties. This is a set up. They will tell congress one thing and do something else in the name of profit.
NET RADIO STILL DIES NEXT TUESDAY; just deal with it or force congress to pass the equalities act. - bachflomid, on 10/11/2007, -3/+36PHEW!!! I just discovered Pandora today and was simply amazed of how much I liked the site. I thought I was only going to be able to enjoy it for 3 more days! This is GREAT NEWS! Hooray for net radio!
- DJMiggy, on 10/11/2007, -6/+38As an internet radio DJ personality I am breathing a sigh of relief. If you want to help our cause go here http://www.savenetradio.org/ . They will tell you what you can do to help save us! Peace and Love. DJ Miggy
- aliengoods, on 10/11/2007, -1/+31It's an even bigger win for listeners. I listen to Digitally Imported every day and would probably fall asleep at work without it.
- Zuggy, on 10/11/2007, -1/+29This isn't a big win. SoundExchange is being tricky. Instead of having this go in front of congress and losing, they promised not to raise royalties. My head is telling me they will hold off until 2010 (which they had promised to the smaller broadcasters) then will hike the rates. The bull wasn't killed just given a tranquilizer
- insomniac8400, on 10/11/2007, -2/+29Why is sound exchange even in the equation? And why aren't stations just being hosted over seas to get away from this crap?
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -1/+23Why should any radio station have to pay anything,they are promoting a product. The record companies should pay them, the recording industry are a bunch of thief's always have always will.
- ViciousDotOrg, on 10/11/2007, -2/+21Why hasn't SaveNetRadio.org reported on this yet? Curious...
- dbz253, on 10/11/2007, -2/+21***** THE RIAA!
- MeMongo, on 10/11/2007, -1/+19While Trention may have sand is his vagina making him a negative nancy, he is being accurate. They are only delaying the collection of the new royalty rates until they can figure out a way to do it without many people noticing.
- bightchee, on 10/11/2007, -3/+18I'm glad someone one showed-up the snooty rich kid and won the dance contest to save the youth center from the evil rich land developers.
- Aaronontheweb, on 10/11/2007, -0/+13Pandora kicks ass... everyone should check it out
- MeMongo, on 10/11/2007, -1/+11Jon Simson, executive director of SoundExchange was later overheard saying "I would've gotten away with it if it weren't for those meddelin' kids!"
- bluemeep, on 10/11/2007, -0/+9Ditto. Without DI, I'd be pulling my hair out.
- Aharoni, on 10/11/2007, -0/+9Another huge DI fan here. The best radio station in the world.
- bilangew, on 10/11/2007, -1/+10Hold on a second... If the new rates were to be applied, how and why DI would have to pay those higher rates since (lets generalize) most of the electro artists comes from outside of the US anyway?
- smokeydbear, on 10/11/2007, -0/+8That's right, they won't enforce it ... yet. They'll just keep it in their back pocket until online radio does something they think threatens the recording industry's boondoggle of a business model or otherwise pisses them off somehow.
- Mhykol, on 10/11/2007, -1/+9NICE!
I was worried that I would lose my favorite radio stations over the weekend, this is such a relief - scorpshockey, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7Breaking news is on the frontpage now.
- ohnonichole, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7Uh, people have made promises to Congress ... many, many times before and not kept their word (and in many cases, not even been penalized). Trust the good graces of the RIAA ... mmm, not sure if I am gullible enough to do that - considering they sue dead people and threaten 8 year olds. Remember, they want a long slow bleed of $ - ensuring maximized profit with minimized effort.
Plus, one can deduce that this gives them even more power by arbitrarily killing any particular online broadcaster by individually applying the fees to them alone. Or, maybe I'm jumping to conclusions and not putting enough faith in our music overlords. - scottshtofman, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7Great, I guess writing to my congressmen might have actually helped. They did send me some nice canned responses a few weeks ago about this. Now I can still listen to Pandora at work.
- etandrib, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7Free advertising? They (radio stations) are paying the music industry to advertise for them! Wow, what a scam…
- kindrobot, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7I knew we could do it if we did a show and put up all those flyers.
- Sottilde, on 10/11/2007, -1/+7Thank God.
That was a ridiculous situation. I really hoped it wouldn't go through. - ricksite, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5That isn't always legal:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Payola - endyminion, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6Yeah, the minute they try to collect royalties from someone broadcasting their own personally created music, this will go to court and they will lose, no matter what the law may say right now about what they theoretically can and can't do.
- itomixdotcom, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5It's still a little scary for web radio. It sounds like they still reserve the right to enforce these fees on a whim. It's like giving me the right to mug someone on the street whenever I want without consequence. Sure, I'll promise not to do it right now, but what if I get low on cash in the future? Maybe I'll use my new right to steal a couple bucks when I want to see the latest Chuck Norris flick.
Incidentally, a flick from Chuck Norris could throw the planet out of orbit. - streetstealth, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5All we need to do is to change that "instead" to an "and."
Now we have time; now the IREA can be passed. Thank your reps and congressmen for their support through now, and encourage them to go all the way with this! - Aharoni, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6I always wondered about that. What stopped DI to move to Europe and ignore US producers? I do admit I'll miss Sean Tyas' stuff but most electronic music producers are not Americans...
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5According to this article from the Washington Post that came out today, internet radio is NOT saved
http://digg.com/tech_news/Washington_Post_Internet_radio_is_NOT_saved_So_what_s_true - olddirtycr, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4Why did I receive the following email which exclaims only 3 hours ago that they were still in trouble?
Hi, it's Tim one more time...
Disaster looms! Yesterday a federal court denied a plea to delay the massive increase in rates webcasters must pay the record labels. This means that, absent immediate Congressional action, the new ruinous royalty rates will be going into effect on Monday threatening the future of all internet radio.
This is a very dire situation and I'm writing to ask one more time for your support. The effort you've made over the past four months has been extraordinary and has forced the rapid introduction of the bill, but the committee process has been sluggish and we need to once again remind the representatives of the urgency of this issue. This is perhaps the most important phone call you can make for us.
Please call your Congressional representatives in the Senate and ask them to force immediate action on the Internet Radio Equality Act and bring the bill to a vote. It is critical that their phones begin ringing off the hook starting early in the morning. If it's busy, please try again later.
Senator Russell D. Feingold: (202) 224-5323
Senator Herb Kohl: (202) 224-5653
I'm sorry that we have to keep asking you for this - but it's our only recourse. We are no match for the legal and legislative strength of the RIAA and we need your help.
Thank you again.
Gratefully,
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-Tim Westergren
(Pandora founder) - wolfger, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5"The new rules don't even allow exceptions for non-copyrighted music"
There's no such thing as non-copyrighted music. I think you meant to say "Creative Commons licensed music". - RevEng, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4There most certainly is non-copyrighted music. Ever listen to classical? Anything more than about 100 years old is automatically in the public domain (copyright is only held for a limited time, as long as that may be). Classical radio stations would be hurt the most by this, as they would be paying royalties for music which wasn't even copyrighted. Talk about a fair system.
- CielChocobo, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4I don't get it. Who the hell do they think they are, trying to collect fees from those who want to play their own music for free? They don't own the ***** internet!
- DestroyFascism, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4Gosh well who is going to provide all that free advertising if they continued to close them down....dick heads!
- praisethelard, on 06/06/2008, -0/+4I think Pandora gives out better recommendations.
- jacks77, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5"they chose not to take part in the net radio day of silence"
Because whatever is happening on your side of the pond is not relevant to last.fm, which is hosted here in London. - mojaam, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4Same here, but the soothing DI Chillout seems to do the trick in making people sleep (that's a good thing). Guess depends on which channel.
- andshewas, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4I did email my senator here in New Jersey. I'm glad that so many of us were able to make this little victory a possibility. Let's just pray it stays this way. Long live Pandora!
- connerfitz, on 10/11/2007, -2/+5Sorry I've not followed this story loads but can someone explain why Congress is involved in the setting of royalty rates?
- dude187, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3A win? What happens years down the line when they start slowly and slowly enforcing them. They won't ignore them forever, and now they get the rates on the books, AND the webcaster's support.
- davids1, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3This is horrible. Shortly unforeseen consequences will reveal themselves later in your year.
- turbomofo, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3wait, what?
- logic, on 10/11/2007, -3/+6You think that's cool? Check out last.fm ;)
- itomixdotcom, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3I can't believe it, but I actually understood what you were trying to get across there.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Agreed on Pandora. It is VERY good at building a station off a single song. Then as you thumbs up other songs that match, the "feel" of the station, it gets even better.
I feel like quite the asshat for having ever paid for launchcast. - anthonywr, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Great! but this is not going to allow me to listen to pandora.com from Australia :-(
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