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- duckyinc, on 10/26/2007, -1/+51"According to the article, a source has stated that the OiNK membership list was not only encrypted, but also equipped with a 'self-destruct' type mechanism which relied on a regular signal to continue in 'OFF' mode."
so nobody is going to get busted? - themoosejuice, on 10/29/2007, -1/+41Next stop, move all torrent trackers to Cuba, Iran, and other countries which the USA has no diplomatic relations with.
- TwistedSheep, on 10/26/2007, -3/+374 8 15 16 23 42
- Rotzooi, on 10/26/2007, -3/+33Our world is becoming more and more like the world of 'Equilibrium'. Soon subversive elements will be hunted down and torched.
The thought-police is coming. - fkr3, on 10/26/2007, -1/+26..... yes, I hear Cuba has particularly great hosting.
- subliminalurge, on 10/26/2007, -0/+22It's an old concept, predating computers. Sometimes referred to as a "dead man's switch".
You know in the movies where the hijacker with the dynamite taped to his chest has a switch in his hand that will detonate as soon as he lets go? That way the police can't really shoot him, as the safety of his hostages depends on him staying alive and keeping that button pressed.
Same concept here, only in software. The idea being that if the server's operation was somehow disrupted (as it would be in a raid), then all sensitive data would be wiped out before the authorities had a chance to take a look at it.
It's a good concept, but would be somewhat challenging to implement in a foolproof manner. - pigfister, on 10/26/2007, -2/+20the problem the admin faces is new anti terror laws passed this month by our government that prides itself on a free from tyranny nation.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/10/03/ripa-decry ...
[quote=link]Users of encryption technology can no longer refuse to reveal keys to UK authorities after amendments to the powers of the state to intercept communications took effect on Monday (Oct 1).
The Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act (RIPA) has had a clause activated which allows a person to be compelled to reveal a decryption key. Refusal can earn someone a five-year jail term.
Controversially, someone who receives a Section 49 notice can be prevented from telling anyone apart from their lawyer that they have received such a notice.[/quote]
the police in the uk already abuse the section 40 of the anti terror laws to make people hand over personal details regardless of who they are so the admin will face a jumped up charge of terrorism that under the law he is not allowed to disclose to anyone apart from his lawyer, how about that for a free society! and under the very unlikely event it became public knowledge it will be white washed by the government controlled media we have.
http://www.thedossier.ukonline.co.uk/ - BLish, on 10/26/2007, -0/+17"so nobody is going to get busted?"
haha. are you scared? you should be. cause you're on scare tactics! - ibjhb, on 10/26/2007, -2/+17To equate downloading the latest Justin Timberlake song to murdering someone is pretty obtuse.
- subliminalurge, on 10/26/2007, -0/+15There's that, but I was thinking more from a technical point of view.
See, if I was in charge of the raid, I would suspect that there may be a precaution like this in place. Logically, then, I would get my men in place in the data center, and simply yank the power cords from the servers I intended to seize. No time for any self-destruct mechanism to take place. The drives then come out and get read on other computers, the servers aren't ever booted up again and given the opportunity to run any software on them. This would be pretty much impossible to protect against purely in software.
One possibility, though, would be having the sensitive data stored on a ram disk, or some other volatile storage where a power loss would result in instant loss of the data. If you're going to implement that, though, you'd better REALLY trust your colo provider's UPS and generator systems to function 100%.
Not that I know about how any of this actually played out, I'm just imagining some possible scenarios. - dan00b, on 10/26/2007, -0/+14http://torrentfreak.com/oink-database-didnt-self-d ...
The rumor: The OiNK database was encrypted and self-destructed. The truth: It wasn’t and it didn’t but ex-users still might be safe. In the meantime, OiNK got fired from his job at Virgin Media. - pigfister, on 10/26/2007, -5/+19@ themoosejuice
a judge in spain has just ruled that tracker sites are not illegal but unlike the uk spain are not the usa's puppets!
http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/11510.cfm
http://www.thedossier.ukonline.co.uk/
Google "The Bilderberg group" if you want to know who is making the one world government. American fascist law is spreading like a plague. - OrganicDrew, on 10/26/2007, -5/+19I think we are missing the point here, THERE IS SUCH A THING AS A LEGITIMATE USE FOR BIT-TORRENTS
like for research where you can legally download anything under the fair use doctrine as long as it is not for profit. We have civil liberties and we forget them and then they are taken away! For instance I use bit-torrent to watch documentary MANY of the documentary's where recorded from broadcast TV and thus are free to be widely distributed not for profit!
The very freedom our founding fathers fought for is at stake, if all the bit-torrents are taken down, the mainstream media can shove what ever it wasn't down your throat and their will be no fact checking, no archiving statements for future rebuttals ... they can censor what they want, and without the ability to record and distribute freely they are in effect CENSORING the alternative NEWS Media
given a large group of people don't use bit-torrents for news, however the medium of delivery is so essential to our liberties in this age of tyrannical -fascist cooperate media that it is more dangerous to restrict use than to let it be
Fight the good fight, send this story to alex jones
www.truthnews.us
- betobeto, on 10/26/2007, -1/+14Like, what, 1 megabit connection for the whole island, right?
- Gagle, on 10/26/2007, -3/+15too bad oinkybank is a scam ......
- imdwalrus, on 10/25/2007, -1/+12If that's true, it's a positive sign for OiNK users...but keep in mind that the media also said that OiNK is a pay site, and that you can't get in until you prove you've got files to share. Given the complete lack of knowledge about Bittorrent (and some basic computer facts) the media's shown so far, I'd take it with a grain of salt for now.
- fkr3, on 10/26/2007, -1/+11Especially since the site probably has backups, and the admin will simply be given the choice of prison or releasing the info.
- o0JoeCool0o, on 10/26/2007, -1/+9then your an idiot cause I actually donated, know what preferencial treatment I got? A FING STAR beside my name oh an my account wouldnt expire after 6 months of inactivity. That was the benefit of donating dumb ass.
- fayeumi, on 10/26/2007, -1/+9I googled them. Turns out they're based in the Netherlands, and named after a hotel in the Netherlands. So doesn't that make it Dutch fascist law?
- subliminalurge, on 10/26/2007, -1/+8"No site would use this."
That's a pretty bold statement to make. When I weigh the inconvenience of losing my site's data against the inconvenience of going to prison, I can confidently say that if I ever set up a site for illegal activity, it would absolutely have a self-destruct mechanism in place. There are ways to design such a system that would make accidental triggering so unlikely as to be considered "impossible" for all realistic situations.
The real trick is that the architecture of the system must be such that the machine holding the sensitive data can be relied upon to remain running long enough to complete a secure wipe of the sensitive data. I have ideas on how this could be accomplished. :-)
(I'm not saying that Oink had such measures in place, as I don't believe they did. I'm just saying it could be done, and it's probably inaccurate to claim that NO site would ever do so.) - pault107, on 10/25/2007, -0/+7Oh not you again, you got banned the other week as jordanshoes006. All of roses comments are spam:
http://www.zuubu.com/default.html?selectedtab=comm ...
Reported. Prepare to be banned again. - somecallmechief, on 10/26/2007, -0/+7Couldn't someone come up with a way to run a website via BitTorrent? It seems like if you can share a file, you could share a "volume"; and if you could do that, you could run applications (like websites, mysql, php, etc) through the torrent process itself. I'm just speculating, of course--but if you could decentralize a website, no one could ever take it down. Azureus could become a "browser" like Firefox. I'm not sure.
- crossmr, on 10/25/2007, -1/+7right beside the reply button.
- starvo, on 10/26/2007, -2/+8Wrong. Donaters did not get preferential treatment/credits/etc. Read up a bit more.
- zeroduck, on 10/26/2007, -0/+6Yeah... and the first false positive? No company has the right to destroy private property for any reason.
- nesagwa, on 11/06/2007, -2/+7And Johnny Cochran is dead.....
- crossmr, on 10/26/2007, -3/+8unless you're going to qualify that, yes.
Copyright infringement for personal use shouldn't be illegal. If anyone is making money that's a different story. - dupswapdrop, on 10/25/2007, -3/+8Time to encrypt my thoughts before they get me! Cuff him Dan-O hes thinking again!
- DoTheFandango, on 10/25/2007, -0/+5This is the second topic that I saw this comment in by you. Come up with different jokes, and then do some research, and then shut the ***** up.
- protogenxl, on 10/26/2007, -2/+7If torrent Trackers facilitate copyright Infringement, Don't Gun manufactures facilitate murder?
This is one hell of a can of worms. - expert01, on 10/26/2007, -0/+4It's not too much to get 10GB or 20GB of RAM to hold the user, donation, and peer table. In fact, they have the RAM drive PCI cards which have external power sources. If the admin doesn't tell anyone about it, then the police would (stupidly) go in and disconnect ALL the power cords, erasing all of the databases.
http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?p=MB-RAMDISK&c=PG&p ...
4GB PCI RAM drive for $124. A few of these with 4GB of cheap DDR-200 would be perfect. Set them up in a RAID to act as one drive, adapt a cable to power the cards from an external UPS instead of the battery, and install a dead man's switch so any attempts to access from the command line result in deletion (without a password). - Alpione, on 10/26/2007, -1/+5Keep rationalizing like that... Does it matter what you call it? Both are illegal and take money away from the owners/creators...
- Gndoab, on 10/26/2007, -0/+4The problem with the Island solution is that....when You OWN your own country, and have tens of thousands of dollars worth of equipment (at minimum), you start dealing with REAL pirates...you know, the ones in boats who loot, rape, and murder.
Unless the Piratebay plans on having its own army and navy to defend such island, good luck. - oldhick, on 10/26/2007, -0/+4If you read some articles, that was a myth. He didn't work at Virgin Media.
- PA42, on 10/26/2007, -2/+6Here is my question for you:
If a store that was selling illegal firearms as well as legal firearms was shut down, would you say that since they had a legitimate business too they shouldn't be shut down?
I agree that P2P networks in general should not be shut down, but don't get into a civil liberties tizzy because they shut down a system that was primarily used to locate illegal material.
When you make a big civil liberties deal out of things that are not civil liberties crisis (like this) you take away from the real civil liberties problems like habeous corpus, warrantless wiretaps and free speech. - LemmingJesus, on 10/26/2007, -4/+8Too bad you can't figure out it's a joke.
- slimer525, on 10/25/2007, -0/+4Joe cool is right. They stated in the FAQ that donating got you a little icon but nothing more. No ratio boost or anything. Donating simply helped keep the server up.
- crimsonnblue, on 10/26/2007, -1/+5NO. Because I should be able to make a copy of any file that I OWN. These ***** are only doing this because they are getting paid. I bet if they we offered this job @ 5 dollars an hour they would say ***** off. This is all about money!
- zmigliozzi, on 10/26/2007, -3/+6Shutting down Oink was about the dumbest thing they could do. More music that was only accessible to a limited amount of users is now going to be put up on every public tracker. Nice job on making pirating worse lol, I want to shake BPL and whoever else's hands, for making finding more music easier.
- luag, on 10/26/2007, -3/+6It seems to me, the war against media piracy is going to be just as successful as the war against terrorism....
INTERROBANG - dupswapdrop, on 10/25/2007, -0/+3Bush would bomb them claim nation defense, after all they could be downloading nukes!
- crodragn, on 10/26/2007, -0/+3The problem is, you would need an initial, publicized, access point to enter the decentralized web, and that initial access point can come under legal attack. That is precisely the reason Pirate Bay and other torrent tracker sites exist; they provide the torrent files, which are the initial access point to the decentralized file server. Taking it out another level in abstraction offers no benefits, but makes it more difficult to use the sites.
- oldhick, on 10/26/2007, -0/+3Why is everyone believing all this BS when earlier today Oink dude himself explained the truth: http://digg.com/tech_news/OiNK_Moderator_Paine_Spe ...
- zeroduck, on 10/26/2007, -1/+4 theculchie1: That is not how it worked. Donators were subject to the ratio rules too.
- Travelsonic, on 10/26/2007, -1/+4You know the saying, your rights end whee my nose begins?
When you infect all P2P, you affect legitimate users as well. By shutting down P2P you affect legitimate technoloy and legitimate users. By frying other people's computers, no matte what they did, you break the law and risk having a rather lare, uncomfortable boot up your ass, which I'd happily be the one if I were there when they pin you down to do it. j/k
Their work is their work too, and just because you want control doesn't allow you to essentially contradict your notion by affecting legitimacy just because illigitimacy is intertwined.
You don't want to end piracy, you want to ***** up a technology and be a maniacal evil bitch with no concept of right or wrong yourself. - worxman02, on 10/25/2007, -1/+4I think that all the torrent tracker sites should just pool their money (what little of it they have and raise donations) in order to buy their own island/country, like The Pirate Bay was going to do. They could exist in peace in the Torrent Nation. No more worrying about international laws or the RIAA, MPAA, or other similar greedy organizations. Oh and DVD Jon could live there too.
- Superfreak77, on 10/26/2007, -0/+3let's setup one here. i'm not in cuba, but I have from 1m DSL to 3m cable available. and i am in a free country outside the other "free" countries in Bush's axis of stupidity.
- Pixelante, on 10/25/2007, -0/+3So what? That's England we're talking about. No guns for the populace in England. And no encryption either. It's the Panopticon Paradise where everybody behaves, or else.
- kickinazz, on 10/25/2007, -1/+4Hate to burst anyones bubble, but the site had no self destruct code written. No site would use this. The simple fact that servers crash and computers can have hardware issues would render a "self destruct" useless and a complete pain in the ass. The server admin would not have the patience to reassign all the thousands of users that would be lost during any such episode.
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