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- mykeyspace, on 10/12/2007, -0/+42Stop C.R.A.P.!
http://www.google.be/search?q=stop%20crap
It would be funny (and good) if we could be in the news on October 3rd. So everybody take action! Mail radio/TV stations, magazines, artists,... and explain them why DRM is bad for consumers. Tell them you're pissed off about that CD not playing in the car's CD player. That you have to copy the copy protected CD to be able to listen to it in your car. DRM is defective by design, so you _can_ copy the CD. It's only use is to pester users, to limit our rights and to play big brother. No Sony, the root kits aren't welcome! DRM isn't gonna make us buy more music. It's what made me stop buying Cd's.
What the big industry leaders don't understand is: if we are able to play the music or watch the movie, we are able to copy it. We'll reverse engineer your programs if we'll have to. And in the end there's always the analog hole. So stop restricting the people who actually buy your products. - ArmandoM, on 10/12/2007, -0/+38Evil
- xXShadowstormXx, on 10/12/2007, -1/+29Digital Rights Management.
More info here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Rights_Management - mikesol, on 10/12/2007, -0/+23Piracy did not make DRM. By that logic, I am justified in saying "record labels made piracy".
It's the latent response of the record labels to their realization that they have no hold at all over digital music, that everyone hates them, and that we're all going to go around them if we can.
They had a chance, in 1997, to make an online store selling music properly, DRM-free, and Napster would never have been born. They failed to do so, thinking of it as a fad, or as a chance to lose money. Their critical failure is being punished now, and DRM is their miserable attempt to get control back.
It cripples hardware. It removes fair-use. It stops you from using content that you DID pay for the way you want; but pirated stuff will still work fine. Why bother buying stuff, then? - ayeroxor, on 10/12/2007, -5/+26@mywhitenoise: On Digg, instead of saying "me too", we click the green thumb. Welcome aboard.
- Arramol, on 10/12/2007, -0/+18In a nutshell, it's copy protection schemes theoretically created to combat media piracy. In reality, many corporations use it as a method for crippling your product, thereby forcing you to pay additional funds for services you would normally provide for yourself, or locking you in to a specific line of products. It is illegal to break DRM in the United States under the Digital Millenium Copyright Act. Thus, backing up your DVDs is a violation of the law since it requires breaking the CSS protection.
An example of the first abuse is when you are charged extra for the privilege of downloading a copy of a DVD movie to your computer, rather than being allowed to rip it yourself. The classic example of the second abuse is how Apple forces you to by an iPod if you want to listen to your iTunes music on the go. Their "FairPlay" (for for whom?) DRM prevents you from putting the music on a competitor's music player.
Even though this is technically legal (at least theoretically), it's still regarded as an abuse by us consumers. The reasoning is simple. Imagine buying a new carpet, and being told that you were required by law to hire the company that sold you the carpet any time you needed to get it cleaned. You were not permitted to clean it yourself, nor could you hire a different company. We would consider this unfair and monopolistic, would we not? DRM is seen in much the same light. - DigeratiPrime, on 10/12/2007, -2/+19put duct tape over your mouth with DRM marked on it and go to work/school.
- spiffyjeff, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16since you didn't provide a reference, not sure exactly what was tried before... Defective By Design is trying several things to eliminate DRM or at least make it better for all of us. This is an attempt to help inform the public / consumers about what DRM is and does, and how it negatively affects all of us. It is nearly impossible to change DRM without us knowing what it's all about - "knowledge is power" and right now, the corporations have the power and we don't.
- ayeroxor, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15"Neuros are saying that the prizes will there Neuros OSD set-top-box thingy"
Um, what does that sentence mean? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15Remember, remember, the Third of October,
The Media Copying and the DVD burner...
I know of no reason,
Why the Media Copying should ever be forgot... - nogoodreason, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12Quick poll: Has anyone here - at any point in their life - borrowed a book, CD or movie from a friend or relative? (or taped something from the TV or radio)
Digg me up for 'yes', down for 'no'.
But keep in mind saying 'yes' makes you a criminal.... - AeroSquid, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12Digital Rights Management
It's what keeps you from playing a song on your ipod and in your car and in your house. the RIAA wants you to buy a different format of the same song for each place you want to play it. - shawnanigans, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10Yes their goal is to make a DRM that is hidden and invisible to people, maybe even one invisible to an operating system... Sony you are geniuses you are ahead of the rest. I guess Sony is the most advanced at raping consumers.
- garethevans, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11No, DRM exists because record companies aren't making the same billions as they did in the moving-from-records-to-CDs era.
- AeroSquid, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13hey guess what the artists don't get paid even when i buy a cd. The greedy RIAA keeps most of the money from cd sales. The artists are at fault for signing ***** contracts with them.
- mywhitenoise, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13Hey dumbass, who uses P2Ps anymore?
Second, you're going to blame P2P's, torrents, and mp3s for this!? Do you have any idea how many indie bands I've discovered because of those methods? And how much money I've spent later buying the albums I loved, and seeing them at shows? I suppose you could blame piracy over cassette tapes and vinyls too, right?
Don't blame mp3s, blame the mainstream for putting out such crap that real music loves don't to listen to anymore. - Ibox, on 10/12/2007, -7/+16Digital rights Management
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Rights_Management
Dont worry I had to look it up too.
... ahh hell ya beat me to it
mod me down now - acomj, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9Look, my point (and I knew I'd be dugg down) is that DRM isn't about piracy anymore. Its about "lock in" to MS os, or itunes application programs. The ones suffering are the artists.
Corporation use Piracy as an excuse to force this DRM on us.
There aren't any easy solutions, but I fear the quality of music is already suffering.
Thanks to those for defending me on the p2p/torrent issue.! - linkinpark342, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10"Wasen't this tried on the 4th. of July?"
Besides, Oct 3rd is better. I'm officially linked with freedom from DRM's since my birthday just happens to be Oct. 3rd :)
hurray geeks around the world will be celebrating my birthday. i feel more special - Arramol, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8"Apparently the universe is going to implode into a fascist regime 'cause you can't make 400 copies of your DVD."
Making 400 copies of a DVD is excessive, but why can't I rip my DVDs to my Pocket PC to watch them on the go? Devices like the iPod Video or the Zen Vision would also be much more useful with that freedom. - hwh43, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9October 3rd is my birthday, and Day Against DRM the greatest present I could ask for. :-P
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Wow.. it's my birthday as well and I was going to post the same thing.
No more DRM would be a heck of a birthday present!
Well, we can dream right? - ayeroxor, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10@mywhitenoise: "Hey dumbass, who uses P2Ps anymore? "
God damn. Just, God damn. Wow.
"BitTorrent's traffic has doubled from 26 to 53% of the overall [internet] traffic surveyed between January and June of this year" is just ONE of the choice quotes found googling for BITTORRENT TRAFFIC PERCENT
So apparently, half of the billions of people on the internet use just ONE form of p2p, and there are still others.
Just, damn. - hypercube33, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9According to the numbers and personal experience, downloading music sells more CD's and gets me to go to bands' concerts.
- Arramol, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7"...What do you mean this CD won't play in my car's 8-track player. Curse you DRM!
(What I'm getting at is that rights management isn't entirely a new thing....just the 'digital' part is.)"
A CD not playing on an 8-track player isn't rights management, it's a technical limitation. It's ridiculous to expect an old player to play a new format. However, there is no technical reason why an iRiver shouldn't be able to play music from iTunes. That's DRM being used to attempt to create a monopoly. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -6/+13Sorry for the ignorance, but DRM is....?
- RandomEngy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Good DRM? I can't play that music in anything but an iPod. I can't play it on my PC with anything but iTunes. If "good DRM" robs me of all choice as a consumer, I want no part of it.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11"If consumers even know there's a DRM... we've already failed."
So does this mean there goal would be to achieve a type of DRM that consumers wouldn't know about? - nogoodreason, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6See, this is a prime example of its pointlessness.
If you REALLY WANTED to start some mass-production of that book, you could just print out the pages once and then.... I don't know.... do something wildly extravagant like photocopy them? But for the honest user who needs 2 copies, you need to go to "criminal" measures just to obtain what you should be (and probably are) rightly entitled to. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Cool, thanks, good to know.
- mikesol, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6You aren't reading any of the comments. There are legitimate uses of non-DRM files entirely independant of piracy.
- DigeratiPrime, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6i went online today to order textbooks and i saw an ebook edition (PDF) that was $80 dollars less than the actual text. I did not order it because it had some sort of DRM that would limit your ability to print it to once per page. Also every computer you wanted to view it on would have to download an Active-X plugin that would synchronize your license. F*CK THAT I AINT USING IE OR ANY DRM. Sure there might be a way to crack it but it would not be worth the time or hassle. Fortunately I did find a deal online that was still $50 cheaper than the campus bookstore. :)
BOYCOTT DRM. - garethevans, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8I'd say it's probably the corporations that take a selfishly large cut of the profit.
- stoffe, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Bittorrent is VERY MUCH peer-to-peer[1], maybe more so than any other common protocol - it doesn't mean "one-on-one", it means "direct connection" or "no server". It's ok to be ignorant about the technical stuff, it isn't ok to call other people "dumbass" while being most wrong in the whole thread. Next time, read up before you start your insults. It may save you from looking completely retarded as well as rude.
1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peer-to-peer - spiffyjeff, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6"No, Apple is impeding compatibility, not the RIAA."
Weather it's Apple, RIAA, MPAA, or......., It's DRM that they are implementing. It's DRM (law) that they look to which allows them to break compatibility between competitors. - mikesol, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6This just in:
DRM WILL NOT ONLY APPLY TO MUSIC.
This is just the thin edge of the wedge - shoehorn it in while people are only thinking of it as a music piracy solution. Then you move it to movies and everything else, and nobody complains.
Then, you move it to all data. You put it on scientific data that's patented, you put it on theories, you put it on gene sequences. You stop competitors and open-source movements from using your material in a fair fashion and you control the damn world.
You put it on e-books and nobody can lend a book to a friend. It's ***** scary, but a lot of close-minded people simply say "you guys are a bunch of music pirates, get over it". That's not the case. - dmurphy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Amen! If it wasn't for DRM, I'd buy my music from iTunes instead of allofmp3. I just want to be able to listen to music on my mac on my xbox 360. I've repurchased music on all of mp3 just because I want it sans DRM. Why don't they understand this??
- stoffe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Just make sure that anything I buy is mine to do what I please with, or else you are creating evil. That is all, thanks.
- Jwymon, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7Sir, do you have your license to have that song stuck in your head? I'm gonna have to charge you by the play...
- BillDoE, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I really like this guy/gals Idea. Wish I could take credit for it..hehe
"Hit them where it hurts:
Between now and 10/3 buy as much DRM'd stuff as you can [afford].. and at a preset time on 10/3 - return all of it. Ideally you get more folks waiting in lines to return stuff, instead of purchasing it - extra points if you're wearing a haz mat suit when you return it.
Might reach a larger audience if you do this at huge commercial outlets like BestBuy or Walmart since there's simply more people around to see what's going on.. Apple stores are failry niche.. and people might just assume is some weird cult of mac thing going on and not pay attention as much as they would if there are 20 people in line at Walmart wearing haz mat suits.
We need to reach as many of the "common man" out there, Walmart seems to be a better place to hit a broader demographic.
Submitted by milkmage " - williamdyer, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7The culture is, in fact, your birthright. Intellectual property is not the same as real property. The ONLY reason intellectual property exists is to make MORE FREE culture. If it stops doing that, intellectual property has become a cancer.
- logic6, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5@ kaod
Your frame of reference is 1990-2000. It hasn't and doesn't always cost $50,000 to record an album. It's only when you try to make a band like Staind sound like music that cutting edge technology becomes necessary. Bands are now moving back into their bedrooms to record and produce music. Record companies still have the role of promoting... but again, that is a pseudo-service. It services them, but not us or the musicians. Good music gets heard, and good music rarely gets promoted... It's an inverse ratio, the more promotion you see, the worse the product is. - rockforever, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7@ popularme
Dont be ignorant. At least look into the details of the subject before you spout out your ridiculous comment. This is more than just CDs. Every piece of electronic equipment capable of playing, recording, or creating media will have DRM. Your computer, your radio, your televiion, EVERYTHING. Right down to the wires. The problem is obviously with education. If people wait till thing thing gets a major hold on ALL facets of media it will be to late. Right now there are so many companies jumping on this DRM bandwagon because there is no backlash. With the exception of some companies (Sony BMG, Starwhatever) Very little has been done in the media to show that DRM = bad as opposed to Companies = bad. Unfortunately peope like you popularme just think, "Oh, I'll keep getting my music/movies/games/whatever illegally" Its not that easy. Because the whole purpose of these companies DRM Schemes is to encompass ALL facets of trading, buying, or selling the media. If the original copy of the media has some sort of DRM its gonna be that way. Workarounds abound, its not a good cycle to start up. - nogoodreason, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5@ Phr00t
I think DRM stands as a shining example of something that COULD be a perfectly acceptable concept; but that the money-hungry head honchos in head offices exploit to maximise profits and, as such, kill the entire thing. Kinda reminiscent of Communism, really.
As it stands, I would gladly pay 70p for a 256kbps non-DRM mp3 if given the choice between that and a 50p 128kbps DRM aac file. - Bostonsox, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Everyday is Anti-DRM day for me. I'll continue not having any DRMed media on my computer on Oct 3rd, and every other day of the year.
- mikesol, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I know, but when you hear about things like patented genetically-modified, IP-protected seeds being unleashed on farmers, one can predict a day when DRM will be used to stop them from growing crops without paying for the same seeds every year.
(Not that I'm against genetically modified food, I think it's a good idea, but that's another tangent.)
E-Books are an even better example of this, because if they ever do supplant the printed world, the prevelance of DRM will probably stop you from lending out books entirely. Scary concept - the library would be impossible, for example. - logic6, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Here's an idea, why don't all the starving musicians in the world start selling their music online, bypassing iTunes and the rest of the tyrants. An artist/band gets around 4 cents for every song they sell on iTunes. All they have to do is undercut iTunes, say charge 10 cents per song (90c cheaper than iTunes), $1 per album and they A. sell many more albums, B. stop piracy in its tracks. C. get out from underneath record companies. and D. get to keep the rights to all of their own material (record labels own any song an artist publishes while under contract)... The only catch is, YOU, the consumer, has to listen for good music, and tell your friends about it, rather than waiting for your "local" radios station to slam it down your throat. It's easy... (in the mean time a quick fix is to steal ALL of your music, but make sure you buy a concert ticket when a band you like comes to town, then buy a t-shirt. Even Lars Ulrich would be happy with that deal)
- learnoutloud, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4IMHO, the best way to fight DRM is to support sites like eMusic, Audio Lunchbox and Magnatune that sell content DRM-free. I put together a list of these sites (at least for audio content) on my blog a while back. Here's the link:
http://www.learnoutloud.com/content/blog/archives/2006/06/a_guide_to_drmf.html - mywhitenoise, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5maybe they mean 'if consumers already know about DRM, and they're doing nothing about it'?
- mikesol, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4That's fair, and I've modded you up for it. Here's what I'd like - I'll assume your product is video because you haven't informed us as to what it is.
I'd like to be able to:
- play it at full quality on my computer screen
- play it on a TV, via composite, s-video, component, DVI, or HDMI output from the computer
- play it off the computer via a network cable on other computers in my house
- play if off the computer via a media center computer / modded xbox / what have you, again with support for all output standards
- be able to burn a backup copy of it in case my hard-drive explodes
- be able to lend it to a friend so he can watch it
I don't think there's any feasible way DRM can do any of this without ceasing to even BE DRM. But at the same time, it's my legal right to do all of these: time shifting and fair use explicitly allow me to do these things, and the very fact that I "own a copy" of something allows me to lend it to others.
What say you to this list? What are you going to disallow, and why, and generally, how? -
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