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- inactive, on 10/09/2008, -22/+304McCain thinks that net neutrality is when fishermen catch tuna AND dolphins!
- Grova, on 10/08/2008, -16/+210I wonder if McCain has ever been on the internets?
- Skywise, on 10/09/2008, -53/+202The difference?
McCain says he's against it and votes against it.
Obama says he's for it and votes against it. - inactive, on 10/09/2008, -10/+123My Fellow Prisoners we're going to be limiting your tube access... I am sorry
- ShuttleDisaster, on 10/09/2008, -20/+109The internet is a community, it is NOT a business entity. It should be subject to laws and regulations to ensure the safety of that community. It is NOT to be considered a private entity! Why don't more people understand that we need net neutrality and that it's not intervention, but rather assurance that it won't be overregulated?
- btschul, on 10/09/2008, -13/+92http://gizmodo.com/5041044/vp-candidate-biden-is-n ...
- yngtimmy, on 10/09/2008, -15/+85I do NOT want our slimey government to stick their dirty ass fingers in my internet!
- hmphargh, on 10/09/2008, -17/+79So the lying idiot or the truthful idiot, take your pick.
- RisingAgainst, on 10/09/2008, -5/+56let me explain.
Tuna, are several species of ocean-dwelling fish in the family Scombridae, mostly in the genus Thunnus. Tunas are fast swimmers—they have been clocked at 70 km/h (45 mph)—and include several species that are warm-blooded. Unlike most fish species, which have white flesh, tuna have flesh that is pink to dark red. The red coloring comes from tuna muscle tissue's greater quantities of myoglobin, an oxygen-binding molecule. Some of the larger tuna species, such as the bluefin tuna, can raise their blood temperature above that of the water through muscular activity. This ability enables them to live in cooler waters and to survive in a wide range of ocean environments. Tuna species and fisheries have been overfished, and some stocks are at risk of collapse
Dolphins are marine mammals that are closely related to whales and porpoises. There are almost forty species of dolphin in seventeen genera. They vary in size from 1.2 metres (4 ft) and 40 kilograms (88 lb) (Maui's Dolphin), up to 9.5 m (30 ft) and ten tonnes (the Orca or Killer Whale). They are found worldwide, mostly in the shallower seas of the continental shelves, and are carnivores, mostly eating fish and squid. The family Delphinidae is the largest in the Cetacea, and relatively recent: dolphins evolved about ten million years ago, during the Miocene. Dolphins are considered to be amongst the most intelligent of animals and their often friendly appearance and seemingly playful attitude have made them popular in human culture.
A fishing net or fishnet is a net that is used for fishing. Fishing nets are meshes usually formed by knotting a relatively thin thread. Modern nets are usually made of artificial polyamides like nylon, although nets of organic polyamides such as wool or silk thread were common until recently and are still used.
however, we are talking about the other kind of net, you see.
The Internet is a global system of interconnected computer networks that interchange data by packet switching using the standardized Internet Protocol Suite (TCP/IP). It is a "network of networks" that consists of millions of private and public, academic, business, and government networks of local to global scope that are linked by copper wires, fiber-optic cables, wireless connections, and other technologies.
However, since McCain doesn't know how the hell to use a computer, he probably doesn't even know what the net is, therefore leading him to the idea that the net we are speaking about is a fishing net.
So slow... - pintomp3, on 10/09/2008, -4/+53he used it to invent the blackberry.
- built2spill, on 10/09/2008, -28/+71I've added Net Neutrality to my very short list of hot issues, right up there with preserving a woman's right to choose. Do not let big corporations and ISPs turn the Internet in to a cable-like service where you pay extra for "premium" content. Keep the Internet free for all! It's one of the biggest economic engines we have and it shouldn't be stifled.
VOTE OBAMA! - tbredofsin, on 10/09/2008, -0/+38Dugg for actually having an unbiased, neutral headline/description. Such a breath of fresh air.
- EskNerd, on 10/09/2008, -12/+47Thankfully Biden is willing to bend to Obama's policy, as he stated in the VP debate.
- Bloodwine, on 10/09/2008, -10/+44What Obama says and what Obama does is not always the same thing. FISA, Bailout, ... not exactly the greatest of track records.
- bbliss17, on 10/09/2008, -8/+41CNet's Declan McCullagh wrote up an informative history of Joe Biden's tech-related voting record—if Biden's name rings a bell, it's because he's the guy Barack Obama picked to be his vice president last Friday night. Maybe you don't care about the doings in Washington, but you may want to know that Biden considers a lot of what you do care about criminal activity. Here's what I'm talking about:
• He asked Congress to spend $1 billion to monitor peer-to-peer activity. (In fairness, much of this is to prevent child pornography, but the tactic is apparently a little blunt.)
• Two Biden bills have been explicitly anti-encryption, because you know, encryption makes it hard for the FBI to read people's e-mails.
• He has expressed support for internet taxes and internet filtering in schools and libraries.
• The RIAA seems to be one of his best buddies: Biden sponsored a bill that would restrict recording of songs from satellite and net radio, and another one that would make it a felony to "trick" a computer into playing back unauthorized songs or running bootlegged videogames. That latter one died when Verizon, Microsoft, Apple, eBay and Yahoo all argued against it.
• Biden was one of just four senators invited to attend a celebration of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act hosted by the MPAA's Jack Valenti and the RIAA's Hillary Rosen, two of American file-sharer's most wanted.
• When he was asked in 2006 about proposing net-neutrality laws, he said there was no need, since any bit-filtering violations would provoke such a huge public ruckus they'd have to hold congressional hearings anyway—and they'd be standing-room only. - chipotlehero, on 10/09/2008, -22/+52Knowing that McCain is anti net neutrality and Obama is pro net neutrality should be enough for anyone on this website, or any other site to vote for Obama.
- lefty175, on 10/09/2008, -5/+32Please cite the Senate Bill or House Resolution number that Obama voted against that you believe shows that he votes against net neutrality. Obama is a cosponsor on S 215--a bipartisan bill to defend net neutrality. The bill has been introduced, but not voted on.
- AndrewMoyer, on 10/09/2008, -6/+33Thought you said "take your prick" there for a second...
- hmphargh, on 10/09/2008, -1/+27WHOOSH
- illDecree, on 10/09/2008, -3/+27he has used The Google
- kenyan, on 10/09/2008, -0/+24"NET" neutrality.
- digitalpencil, on 10/09/2008, -0/+22"Yes, regulation to keep the Internet open is regulation. And mostly, the Internet thrives on lack of regulation. But some basic values have to be preserved. For example, the market system depends on the rule that you can't photocopy money. Democracy depends on freedom of speech. Freedom of connection, with any application, to any party, is the fundamental social basis of the Internet, and, now, the society based on it."
- Sir Tim Burners Lee
http://dig.csail.mit.edu/breadcrumbs/node/144 - lowtolerance, on 10/09/2008, -3/+24dugg for "ass fingers"
- SpinningHead, on 10/09/2008, -4/+24It is a little different when you're talking about a vital part of communications infrastructure. The phone company (until Bush) also could not tap my phone on a whim.
- Langford, on 10/09/2008, -2/+21I don't want AT&T sticking thier much worse fingers into my internet.
- ousthouse, on 10/09/2008, -8/+27The internet is also NOT a government entity. You can assure the internet wont be over regulated by not regulating it in the first place!
- phorden, on 10/09/2008, -3/+21Actually he is so old that I wonder if someone said blackberry if he would think they are talking about fruit.
- bpoteat, on 10/09/2008, -5/+23Everything you've written, including your ridiculous analogy, shows that you have no idea what this entire conversation is about.
- ousthouse, on 10/09/2008, -7/+24Once the government decides they have the power to control how the internet is distributed, they'll believe they have the power to control the content. Look at what the FCC does to TV and radio. Keep the internet free - no net neutrality.
- inactive, on 10/09/2008, -2/+19Remember, this is digg. Alarmists don't have to cite their sources, and people will still believe them.
- beesaretasty, on 10/09/2008, -4/+21I don't know how many options you have for high speed internet where you live. If I had 10 or 20, I would agree with you. I have 2. One dsl, one cable. I'm not even going to consider satellite. I can assure you that the rules of the free market do not apply when there is a monopoly or when there is an extremely limited number of entities competing. That is the fatal flaw of "free market" wishful thinking. You cannot apply "in a perfect world" mentality to real world conditions.
- sleepwalkers, on 10/09/2008, -0/+17Okay, now what?
- inactive, on 10/09/2008, -5/+21From JohnMcCain.com (link below):
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When Regulation Is Warranted, John McCain Acts. John McCain does not believe in prescriptive regulation like “net-neutrality,” but rather he believes that an open marketplace with a variety of consumer choices is the best deterrent against unfair practices. John McCain has always believed the government’s role must be rooted in protecting consumers. He championed laws that penalized fraudulent marketing practices, protected kids from harmful Internet content, secured consumer privacy, and sought to minimize spam. When businesses struggled to assess the legal role of electronic signatures, John McCain led legislative efforts to ensure that these Innovation Age signatures were legally sufficient so that e-commerce could thrive. His record reflects the careful balance between protecting the essential elements of the Internet and securing the Internet as a safe tool of commerce, education and entertainment for our citizens. Offering simple common sense solutions to real problems is at the core of the McCain’s innovation agenda.
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Republicans are for free markets and not regulating what companies do. If companies make decisions which piss off customers, another company will take their place in the market. This is primarily about "last-mile" ISP throttling different packet types. So if you don't like Comcast messing with your torrents you can use someone else. If all of the major companies do it, hopefully the free market will inspire a new company that won't throttle to fill the void in the market.
http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/Issues/CBCD3A4 ... - Yarnage, on 10/09/2008, -2/+17If you don't want the government on your internet then that means you're against Net Neutrality... unless you don't actually understand what Net Neutrality is...
- skierkegaard, on 10/09/2008, -0/+15Is it dirty-ass fingers, or dirty ass-fingers?
- Yarnage, on 10/09/2008, -10/+24"The internet is a community, it is NOT a business entity" that is incorrect. Who do you think OWNS the "tubes" that you use to view Digg? The community? Well think again...
You're forcing a company to use their network in ways that you and the government want but in a capitalist country, shouldn't the company get to choose what it does with its "tubes"? - thesmrt12004, on 10/09/2008, -1/+15What i like about what you said is that you can pretty much put any political figures name there instead of Obama
- NinjaJoey, on 10/09/2008, -3/+17When did Obama vote against it? Seriously, I really want to know.
- pintomp3, on 10/09/2008, -5/+19"Net Neutrality, while it sounds good, forces companies to offer a service and never change the price." no it doesn't *****. the internet works because it is source and destination neutral. the telcos want to break that up by double charging providers and creating tiers for access. if you are a small non-profit who can't afford the "premium", traffic to your site will be relegated to the slow lane or even choked off. the internet works because of it's neutrality. net neutrality is about keeping it that way. you should educate yourself from sources other than a corporate *****.
- inactive, on 10/09/2008, -10/+24So McCain is for the DEregulation of a corrupt market, and for the REGULATION of information?
Wow, this guy really wants to be a dictator... - MasonZombie, on 10/09/2008, -0/+13Um. That's exactly what it is. That's why it says "From JohnMcCain.com"
duh. - lowtolerance, on 10/09/2008, -1/+13I think he meant he doesn't want the government interfering with the internet, but yeah... I think a lot of people read "net neutrality" as "free from government intervention". If only that were the case.
- pintomp3, on 10/09/2008, -2/+14There seems to be a lot of ignorance about what net neutrality is and why it is important. please educate yourself:
Lawrence Lessig on Net Neutrality
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRLJGQOZmlI - socalftw, on 10/09/2008, -0/+11do what you want, cuz a pirate is free...
- pintomp3, on 10/09/2008, -3/+14"McCain's spokesperson said that laws McCain passed helped LEAD to the Blackberry." that's odd, RIM is based in canada. when did mccain pass laws in canada?
- ocellnuri, on 10/09/2008, -2/+13You know Digg is made up of a bunch of different users right? Different people with different views.
- cloudberries, on 10/09/2008, -3/+14Balls to that. In your analogy, the cars are equivalent to PCs, Macs etc. Sure, you can pay a lot more to get a faster model, which'll let you use the net more smoothly, but the net itself (i.e. the roads) should be tier-less.
What you're proposing is that the government legislates such that the roads themselves have restrictions placed on them depending on how much you pay for your "driving tax"
"I'm sorry sir, you can't use this road. You're too poor" - mavranos, on 10/09/2008, -1/+12Biden is no friend of the tech-savvy voter people. I was very disappointed that he joined the ticket.
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