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- Nadare, on 10/12/2007, -11/+199I guess that makes me the only one who thought this was about Bill O'Reilly.
- MalDON, on 10/12/2007, -5/+65Sadly, I do programming and still thought it was Bill. Didn't take me long to slap myself for even thinking.
- daybreaker, on 10/12/2007, -1/+51haha.
Student: "How do I make this XML document interact with my webpage?"
Bill: "Maybe if you werent such a god-hating fag you would know!"
Student: "Is this apache server configured properly?"
Bill: "If the president says it is, then it is. If you doubt the president, why dont you just move to France and take *their* technology classes?" - orlyfactor, on 10/12/2007, -13/+61LOL I thought the exact same thing.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+22$400 to learn your choice of PHP, Java, or Ajax? I'll stick to the "google what you don't know" method of learning and save my money.
- TeCuervo, on 10/12/2007, -6/+26They publish great books, I'm very interested in these courses. Definite Digg.
- ionchannels, on 10/12/2007, -2/+18I certainly won't sign up for the server administration or load-balancing courses.
- MeThePeople, on 10/12/2007, -2/+17yes lets all sign up for a school of technology that cant even handle the digg effect
site is taking forever to load - Rireal, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12Kudos for the mirrored image. Maybe they should add some photoshop schooling?
- haackers, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10I dont understand the big fuss because this school has been around for a while now??
- kenplaysviola, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8@jspegele
You do get a certificate of completion from the University of Illinois Continuing Education program when you complete all the courses listed from the O'Reilly school. University of Illinois is a respected and reputable college. - reed311, on 10/12/2007, -9/+16Yeah, too bad O'Reilly is going to scream at you, call you an idiot, and then kick you out of the class if you ask a question and he doesn't know the answer.
- BTF2, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Having taken the Linux Sysadmin course (part 1) I'd have to say that it somewhat lacked in substance and as such wasn't great value for money, and as a result I didn't proceed with the other 3 parts as I had originally intended. That's not to say it was rubbish, but rather that I felt you could get better value for money elsewhere. I wonder where the people running that course see the diploma fitting in along with say, RHCE and LPIC, and I wonder how potential employers view the diplomas on offer? My view was that it might be good for hobbyists and people looking for an introduction to the subject matter, but that you would find yourself lacking in the jobmarket if that is all you were armed with at an interview.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -6/+13They're also the people who coined the nonsensical term "Web 2.0".
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6The course is an introduction to Object Oriented Programming, they just happen to use Java as the language. Java and C# are very similar, and once you know one it is not difficult to learn the other. The Java course is in both the open source and .NET programs.
- paku, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/5117/orlyscksxr1.jpg
- Pennemu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6The program itself has been around for at least three years I think. They partnered with O'Reilly approx. two years ago and just finally launched with their new site and name. They are also offering some new courses and have more in the works. They used to be known as UserActive before they were bought by O'Reilly.
- spinchange, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6thats a very intelligent comment, fairlystupid
- benb, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5They have been partnered with UserActive.com for awhile now, several years I think. Now it has a new name and fancier site, and maybe a few new courses.
- confusednazgul, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Ditto. Even if I bought some good reference books on those topics, it wouldn't cost me $400.
- spinchange, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7well since you asked...
- gaus, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Hm... They have confusing list of courses for .Net certification:
1. XML Programming
2. Learn Object Oriented Programming Using Java
2. Learn C#.Net
Why Java? - captaincoconut, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Bill O'Reilly is an idiot
- praisethelard, on 06/06/2008, -0/+3You can take similar courses in a local community college for way less, though.
- mikelanghorst, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Though I didn't keep them, I've been getting e-mails from O'reilly for about a year about this.
- jspegele, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Does anyone know if this 'school' has any accreditation? Or are you just paying for a useless piece of paper?
- tljohnsn, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I work for this school, and help teach some of the unix courses. Students do benefit from experience, as they are given accounts on real linux boxes and must complete projects using real servers, and can get feedback from their mentor (a real person) throughout the learning process. This is also the reason the courses are more expensive.
- mmoser, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3For anyone who is curious:
It's a Monday and I had some free time, so I decided to sign up for the Linux Admin courses. The website states that course #1 is approximately 40 hours of work, however I finished in a single night.
Upon logging in, you enter a "sandbox" environment where you can navigate to account info, messages, course info, etc. Under your course, you'll see a listing of sub-courses (mine had 19 total). These include the lessons, objectives and quizzes. While the site DOES state that the first in the series of four is meant for the linux beginner, I felt it to be a bit TOO trivial.
I did come out having learned a few extra flags and facts about commands I already knew, and as the course progressed it did get better. I was able to move from the "starter shell" to the full blown v-machine w/ root access. Objectives included compiling a SSH client, setting up the SSH Daemon, user management, touching on some of the various log files and also messing around a bit with crontabs.
Was this particular course worth the $400 + $20 lab fees? No, I don't think so... However, I am confident that as I move up in the series, I will start to learn more and I may eventually change my mind.
$420 = 5 hours of work, a "free" book, and 4 CEUs. - mcnappy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Java and C# are different enough that giving a certification in .NET for learning Java is absurd.
Looking at the syllabus for the C# class (http://oreillyschool.com/courses/csharp/syllabus.php) shows that O'Reilly is taking one of their intro books, marking up the cost of the material, and then creating a faux certification for it. - amoirae, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6I was figuring like many others that this was going to be about Bill O'Reilly's Luddite Neocon Technology School.
I hear the first lecture is going to be about how the wheel will lead to the downfall of civilization. - ozzyman, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I wouldn't mind taking some of these courses, IF my company doesn't mind paying for them. ;)
- spinchange, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3edit..the University of Illinois (as college credit) is Extraordinarily strong!!!
(NCSA, Mosaic, etc -- it's an "ivy league" tech-related school)
Google or Wikisearch them if you don't know
(the first web browser was made at this school) - bioskope, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3yea i seriously had a wtf moment when i saw those prices. Just download the damn O'RLY books for free
- cocoamix, on 10/12/2007, -8/+10If they don't like your test answers, the instructors scream, "CUT HIS ETHERNET CABLE!"
- asaturn, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4no amount of expensive certifications will buy you experience.
- Lennalf, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3So the best thing you can say about him is that he's against raping children. What a guy!
- treehead, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Very good information and insight. I would be a bit upset at putting out $400, though.
Keep this thread posted. I am interested to hear how the rest of the courses are for you. - akira117, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3OK, then how long has it been around for?
(link maybe) - jme2224, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2The prices for these classes are very high. Most of them cost more than the out-of-state tuition at my university and out-of-state tuition is ridiculous.
- whaambulance, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3If you read the course descriptions in advance, you can tell that the first 2 courses of the 4 are quite basic, and may even be worth skipping. The latter 2 look like they will provide some decent knowledge about day to day service support of a unix/linux server environment. I work in a linux server environment every day for my job, and a lot of this course may be things I already know. But even if I pick up a few decent commands that I didn't know the guts of before it's worth the low cost. Compared to most IT courses 1400$ for one I can do whenever I feel like it, is not a bad deal. Especially as a refresher that my employer pays for. Granted it may not be the kind of course someone trying to get into IT fresh should take.
- akira117, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Anyone know of alternatives that offer similar online certifications?
- treehead, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1This is VERY old news. O'Reilly has had this program for years, they just renamed it and gave it its own domain:
http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://oreilly.useractive.com/courses/sysadmin.php3
Guerrilla marketing? No Digg. - BTF2, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3If you want a diploma you generally have to complete all the courses rather than pick one or two that you like the look of, so the comment about omitting courses is largely irrelevant unless you want to 'dip in' to a couple of topics.
Also, they may be comparatively cheap, but in being so what do they provide if you find yourself competing with people who have invested more money and effort to gain a more heavyweight qualification? Better to save your money and go the long route to a recognised qualification IMHO. - jspegele, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1It also said that the affiliation with U of Illinois is only with certain programs. So what about the others? Will the certificate mean anything to people who are hiring in the industry?
- mmoser, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I would say that you sound more than qualified to take this first course. I would say that any person who can competently operate a computer would be able to take this course -- even if they have had 0 exposure to *nix. The course does state that the first in the series is aimed at the beginning to intermediate unix/linux user. I would say that this is an accurate statement.
While this may be a waste of time for many people, I think that certain people could actually benefit from this. I was fairly upset at the lack of additional information I had learned after this first course. However, I do not regret taking it. Upon graduation, my resume will only include a degree and work experience. CEUs and Certifications that approximate a total of 160 additional hours focuses on Linux/Unix Administration for an accredited University will at least give me some additional credentials to include in my resume.
As far as the learning factor goes, I am not sure how this will transition from the current level of ease to intermediate and advanced. I am hopeful that I will come out w/ this with more than an empty pocket and resume filler, but knowledge as well. I do want to comment on learning the material when taking this courses:
I feel that you can easily skate by this course when taking objectives and quizzes by referencing the related lesson. You'll fly by, spend some cash and get your certs while learning nothing... OR, you can take some initiative and experiment on the machine they give you and actually learn the material they attempt to teach. Take notes on thing you did not know before and read up on them... While it obviously does not compare with real-world experience, a little initiative and motivation to learn the stuff can take you a long way.
It really depends on what your motivations and goals are for taking these online courses... It'll be a little bit, but I'll keep you posted as I progress.
-Matt - akira117, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2http://oreillyschool.com/images/photo7.jpg
link to the image - TheDPQ, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Thank you so much for taking the time (and money!) to do this!!
It sounds overall you already knew a lot before going into this course. What would you consider 'too trivial'. I have very limited (IE almost none) understanding of UNIX and at most i can SSH into a machine and so i can check in/out my code in SVN. Do you think i could handle this course?
I did a little ASP before i took a local Intro to Programming course, and was bored to tears. The next class was intro to data structures w/ java which was a whole different story. I guess its just they make sure you understand the basics before moving on. Since this is the first course do you feel it has value for the newbies? Does it cover terminology well or does it assume you know what is what? - treehead, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Nah, the LPI would be a much better fit (and a much better certification--to begin with, there are 3 levels where CompTIA has Linux+ and that's it).
http://www.lpi.org/ - rharris, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1@kenplaysviola
True. However "certificate" < "degree". No matter how you look at it. - FairlyStupid, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2These days there are things link Actualtests and certkiller for those people who want certifications. And i agree, no certification is a substitute for good experience.
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