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Nokia unlocks anti-Apple campaign

engadget.com — The quartet of posters above was photographed in New York city over the weekend by a MacRumors forum jockey. Of course, this isn't the first time we've seen Nokia pounce on Apple foibles, and it certainly won't be the last. Even if Nokia can't help but copy the iPhone interface design in their own future-looking presentations.

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  • tobyadams, on 10/10/2007, -60/+86apple are really loosing it recently!!!
    • neuropsychguy, on 10/10/2007, -15/+80Uh, no. Apple keeping everything pretty tight, actually. :D

      You meant losing, not loosing.
      • Kamill85, on 10/10/2007, -39/+5I bet he's very thankful for telling what he meant, doh.
      • carleethian, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1i also think he meant "is" not "are"
    • aspec, on 10/21/2007, -10/+83Be easy on Toby, education isn't what it used to be.
      • OMGWTFROFLMAOx2, on 10/10/2007, -5/+34I thought I was reading caveman digg for the first 3 comments.
      • cloudyprison, on 10/10/2007, -2/+10Hey now, I heard that 'Childrens do learn'.
    • Thud, on 10/10/2007, -12/+19yes! There really loosing they're minds over their in Cupertino.
    • Kamill85, on 10/10/2007, -19/+16"Even if Nokia can't help but copy the iPhone interface design in their own future-looking presentations."

      Right, because nobody ever thought of design/interface like iPhone... right? /sarcasm

      How can you copy 'obvious' ? It's just a 'trend' - the touch screen and controls, and it's obvious, when you release a phone with a touch screen, it has to have a big screen... navigating through it has to be intuitive = no big discovery here.
      But no!!! It's Apple's design now! Apple (C) 2007 - HQ of re-invented wheels.
      • noahhoward, on 10/10/2007, -6/+18Nokia admitted they copied the iPhone because they liked it. It is quoted in the same article you are bitching about.
      • sv650touring, on 10/10/2007, -8/+1Kamill85 is stupid
    • xGrill, on 10/10/2007, -6/+9dugg for the title
    • wild, on 10/10/2007, -3/+16I don't understand why lose and losing are misspelled all over the internet. Come on kids, have some dignity. People are actually spelling it like that on purpose!
      • GiggleStick, on 10/10/2007, -2/+26I know. Its teh most rediculous thing I ever saw. They should of stayed in school!
      • starsky51, on 10/10/2007, -1/+8i think it's pretty obvious why they misspell it. O sounds like oh. OO sounds like ooh.
        I'm not saying it's right for them to misspell those words, I'm just saying that English isn't the most intuitive language.
        • thailand1972, on 10/10/2007, -3/+6I am prooving you are wrong, by mooving the extra O where it shouldn't be and creating words I never see.
        • neuropsychguy, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3Starsky51 wins understatment of the year award: "English isn't the most intuitive language." Here's a cookie.

          I think that English, because of its complexity, is the most powerful and flexible language but it certainly makes it a pain to properly learn.
      • MadKennyP, on 10/10/2007, -0/+11Is our children loosing out on a good education?
      • potp, on 10/10/2007, -8/+4Thats because retards still insist on using IE7. Firefox with built in spell checker FTW.
        • Stevethegreat, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3Yeah cause we all know that loose is a misspelled word, idiot (which comes from the Greek "ιδιώτης", the people who did not participated in the "agora tou dimou" (the Athenian brand of democracy), people who where either too stupid to do so or too stupid not to understand the importance of seeing about the common interests).
          ^^That part was pretty much useless but oh well....
    • picsectionpleez, on 10/10/2007, -8/+1Uh no- Apple are NOT really loosing it

      ps/ I hate this god damned comment system
    • drafhk, on 10/10/2007, -1/+11Also, since we're in Grammar Nazi Mode, Apple in this case is singular; it's a company. When you say "Apple," you're referring to the corporation, not the people who comprise it. Thus, "Apple *is* losing *its* mind," or "The people at Apple are losing their minds."
      • noreturn, on 10/10/2007, -0/+8According to American grammar. The opposite is true in England.
        • IllBeBack, on 10/10/2007, -3/+1Really? What if a company only had 1 employee? For example, say ABC Company has one employee (as opposed to "have" one employee). Would you say "ABC Company is a new business" or "ABC Company are a new business?" Making a company name a plural noun just seems incorrect.
        • jrbrewin, on 10/10/2007, -5/+6American grammar? isn't that an oxymoron?
          • IllBeBack, on 10/10/2007, -5/+1Hmmm, I've seen just as many grammar errors in comments from folks from the UK as from the USA, so I wouldn't throw stones from inside your glass house.
        • tizz66, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1IllBeBack - yeah same thing. We refer to a company a just a group of people (I guess even if there's just one person there - though that's probably one of those cases where you say whatever sounds best). Sony 'are' losing, for example.

          In the example you've used though, 'is' would be correct. "Sony is a new company" would be correct because you're talking about the name Sony. If you're talking about what the company does, though, it'd be 'are' because it's the people you're talking about.
        • PunkRockRalph, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2According to alexa.com, digg's user base is 47.7% American.
          and only 6.6% from UK :(.

          http://alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details?url= ...
        • PunkRockRalph, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1According to alexa.com, digg's user base is only 6.6% British.

          http://alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details?url= ...
      • IllBeBack, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1I saw this article that talks about this:
        http://alt-usage-english.org/groupnames.html
    • jferrari, on 10/10/2007, -3/+3They are really losing it, just look at how high the stock has gone.
    • themastersb, on 10/10/2007, -5/+1Shouldn't it be "Apple is"?
    • inkswamp, on 10/10/2007, -4/+3Apple's customer satisfaction ratings and market share are up across the board. Their stock is at historic highs. Their profits are ridiculously high. Their iPod/iTunes combo continues to increasing in popularity while resisting even the most aggressive attacks from competitors.
      Yeah, they're really "loosing" it.
  • kevyn, on 10/21/2007, -8/+134gotta love nokia for that one - very clever advertising. - but will it actually put anyone off? most people I know who want to buy the iphone, haven't even looked at the cons of the device (but will get a nasty shock later)
    • noahhoward, on 10/10/2007, -35/+13There aren't any cons. It is locked to a network because only one network decided it was worth supporting in its entirety. Why the hell would you pay that much for a phone then move ti to a network where it won't work properly? That's like buying an F-1 racer and putting a Honda civic motor in it.
    • turpenine, on 10/10/2007, -1/+25The people who don't know the cons aren't going to bother unlocking it. Regardless, most everyone else can live without unlocking it too.
    • mlostracco, on 10/10/2007, -9/+20All the Nokia phones I've owned have been locked down solid by my carrier. The telcos bear the preponderance of blame; not Apple.
      • Murdats, on 10/10/2007, -2/+12thats the carrier locking the phone, not the phone maker (they do however put the system to lock them into place)
        apple however opted to lock the phone, a nokia phone can be used on any network and in most countries you can pay for just the phone and use it however you like, it just usually costs a bit more because the locked phones are subsidised but you have the choice, with apple you dont.
        • jazh, on 10/10/2007, -0/+9You can buy nokia phones on all networks pretty much. It's just the network that locks you to that phone.
        • mlostracco, on 10/10/2007, -5/+4I'm sure Apple would love to sell an unlocked phone, but no telco is going to co-operate (visual voicemail, marketing, distribution, tech support, etc.) unless they force Apple to contractually lock it down.
          • Murdats, on 10/10/2007, -4/+5I am sure they would love to. oh wait, they went to the networks selling an exclusive deal, they decided not to sell them openly and decided to screw their customers over.
          • noahhoward, on 10/10/2007, -5/+6Murdats, how would you have felt if you had bought an iPhone and no one supported the promised features?
        • Tenoq, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1The locks are made by Nokia, not the carriers. That's why you can send your phone to Nokia to get it unlocked - and why some carriers do exactly that when you ask THEM to unlock it. It's not like the carriers are programming the locks into the phones - it's the manufacturers every time. Whether or not the locks are implemented is a carrier choice - and I'd be betting it was AT&T's choice to REQUIRE locks on the iPhone.
      • bat-21, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5All Nokia phones are available unlocked. Apple chose to go with only one carrier and lock all their phones.
      • Myonosken, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Also you can pay to unlock your Nokia phone, and that's it. They don't pull ***** bricking stunts.
    • bluechips23, on 10/10/2007, -5/+9Apple's target market are usually richer kids or rich business men or any one who can afford expensive devices. Now these rich people do NOT have the extra time think why they can or can not unlock their iPhones. Most people either usually satisfied with AT&T or just grudgingly switched from other network to AT&T to choose iPhone. An average customer doesn't care whether he/she can install 3-party applications on his/her iPhone or to find out how to unlock his/her iPhone..because you know why? Because they do NOT have time for these small details. They got other important things to worry about.....like making money for instance.
      • Murdats, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3rich kids worry about making money?
        and if they were really worried about making money they would make their lives more efficient and organised, say by being able to spend less on a phone network that suites you more, being able to use financial tracking software anywhere you are, task management software or anything else that can be used to streamline your life that has no time for anything but money.
      • mlostracco, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4That's also why the telcos get away with such exorbitant and lucrative roaming charges...business is where that money is—the phone bill goes on an expense report and the company pays it and nobody complains. Except the everyday phone users without business accounts, who aren't important enough to make a difference by complaining.
      • superkendall, on 10/10/2007, -4/+3Nice out-of-the-ass profiling there. I think the buying market might be more complex than you think.
      • potp, on 10/10/2007, -3/+7Rich businessmen? bahahahaahahahahaha
        Any businessmen who thinks the iPhone is useful phone is bound to end up sinking his company. iPhone is not a smart phone period.
        • rootstyle, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Yea its true. 90% of 'rich businessmen' probably have a company provided phones. Chances are its a Blackberry, failing that a Treo. You know why? Companies can enforce a policy on the phone, keep it up to date, and synchronize it just like any other computer on their network.
        • rootstyle, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2I should add, VPN support is quite important to most businesses, which is something the iPhone will lack in the foreseeable future. We shall see how good their software update path is. :)
    • DomZy, on 10/10/2007, -2/+6I'm buying a Nokia N95 next month when my contract runs out. If O2 think I am paying them prices for the iphone they can think again!
      • JohanLieberg, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3and you will love it.. the best phone on the market right now
      • kevyn, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I have an N95 at the moment, and it is great, I can't wait for more 3rd party apps. (I'd really like a free RDC for it over wifi)
    • DomZy, on 10/10/2007, -5/+2I'm buying a Nokia N95 next month when my contract runs out. If O2 think I am paying them prices for the iphone they can think again!
  • zofo, on 10/21/2007, -9/+123I'm a self confessed Apple fanatic since 20 years but the whole iPhone debacle is seriously killing my enthusiasm for it.

    I have an unlocked iPhone (I live in Europe) and the way Apple is treating this whole ordeal is pitiful. I'm seriously thinking of going back to Nokia if they don't get their ***** back in order

    No matter how powerful the RDF (Reality Distortion Field) they have this time, they just totally ***** this one up and will have to pull a miracle to get a LOT of dedicated Apple enthusiasts back in line.
    • HiddenCanuck, on 10/10/2007, -13/+6The apple RDF is very very powerful.

      When the iPod Shuffle came out, it made me believe my iPod mini was rubbish because it had a screen and i could CHOOSE songs. Choice seemed so passe.
    • trappleton, on 10/10/2007, -5/+10"and will have to pull a miracle to get a LOT of dedicated Apple enthusiasts back in line."
      I dunno, everyone I know with an iPhone loves it, and I'd call myself a dedicated Apple enthusiast but I don't really think this will affect my desire for faster, shinier Macbooks.
    • drizzlelicious, on 10/10/2007, -5/+11Well if you ever do go back to Nokia, give your iPhone to me
    • superkendall, on 10/10/2007, -4/+4So why on earth did you get an unlocked iPhone from the US when the official ones will be there before the year ends? We knew that from launch...

      If you were just trying to save a lot on VAT it seems like you did gain something by going outside the system even if now you have to break from Apple's update path for a while.
      • KilroyPwinkle, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4Wow because car fanatics never get imports, or want to modify their automobiles.

        Good reasoning.

        Listen, when I buy something be it a car or a cell phone phone, what I do with it is my business not the corporation. And from reading the comments further down the only response the apple fanboys have is "then don't buy one."

        Good advice from a self proclaimed fan of the company, wish everyone listened to you guys and just didn't.
        • lharrod, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2How many people want to build a car? How many people want to modify a car? Now how many people just want to buy a car and drive it and it works and that's all? The advice is true. If Ford made a car that you could not modify, then car buffs simply would not buy it, as opposed to cry and whine about it.
        • betterth, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2But would Ford say "Look at this amazing platform, exhaust and intake alone would raise you 50bhp easy, and we've made the whole system without any significant barrier to modifying it. In fact, it's the most modifable car we've ever made. The only modifying you can do is changing the color of your HUD with our controls though. "

          That's exactly what Apple said. "Look, we've put OSX on a phone, think of all the amazing things you'll be able to run on it. Except, you can't run anything on. Since OSX is so fragile, we're afraid that you'll break it or something"
    • sohosid, on 10/10/2007, -8/+2If you're a self confessed Apple fanatic, then why did you try to circumvent Apple policy by importing a US phone and unlocking it?

      I don't see how anyone can be ***** how Apple are handling the iPhone unlocking saga. They are probably duty bound via a hefty contract with AT+T to make sure that the hardware they provide is locked to their network. It's business. Plain and simple. Don't like Apple's policy? Don't buy one. Don't buy an iPhone, unlock it, feel all gooey inside because you have an iPhone way before the Euro launch, then get all ***** when Apple render your shiny love bead useless.
      • neoporcupine, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1What a ridiculous statement. People can get upset at anything, and in this case, you'd expect Apple to deal reasonably with its customers. Apple's dealings with its partners is Apple's problem. To brick a product for doing something that is legal is just not on and the customer has EVERY right to get *****. To say people shouldn't get upset is demonstrating your preference for the dollar over good will. It is BAD business, plain and simple.
        Because of this rubbish, I won't be buying an iPhone and most likely will not be purchasing other Apple products because I don't want to have exceedingly draconian measures taken against me when I don't act like a good corporate robot.
  • wm666, on 10/10/2007, -19/+3Will the anti-campaign goes bigger and make Apple to change?
    • pawntheking, on 10/10/2007, -2/+9No, the anti-campaign does not goes bigger.
      Me knows English.
    • DeFex, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6It will be more wonderful than you can believe it!
    • Victorface, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Please learn conjugation.
  • neuropsychguy, on 10/10/2007, -24/+47This looks like a pretty nice campaign but it is telling if Nokia is attacking the iPhone. That's a sign that Apple has disrupted the mobile phone field and Nokia is worried. If Nokia was not worried they would just ignore Apple.
    • psilanthropist, on 10/10/2007, -8/+18i think frustrated is more the word. ever know "that" guy ? the good looking popular guy who has all the brains of a gnat but every girl seems to want to got out with him. that guy is the iphone. and that "other guy" - the guy who doesn't loook as good but is caring and sensitive and smart ? the n95
      • rpgmaker, on 10/10/2007, -3/+7Let me guess, you are the n95 guy?
      • superkendall, on 10/10/2007, -10/+2Except the iPhone has more brains and better looks.

        I thought you were going with the old highschool jock who was full of himself even though his rep was all based on something he did twenty years ago and there's not much going on today, and now he's wondering why the "chicks" all pass him by for the more sophisticated fellows. Hello, Nokia.
        • avihappy, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6iPhone's brain only has the knowledge it was born with. While the Nokia's brains keeps growing onto larger SD cards and can do more things.
        • lharrod, on 10/10/2007, -7/+1Awesome response. superkendall rules!
        • mikemx, on 10/10/2007, -2/+6superkendall and iphone have -less- brains. The iPhone can't do half of what n95 does. The iPhone is a girls phone basically.
      • VyRuZ, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3And then there's the perfect guy. Meet the LG VIEWTY!
    • chris9902, on 10/10/2007, -4/+40holy *****. Spin that any quicker and it'll take off.
      • PJBovoNox, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1Amen, that's exactly what I though.
      • neuropsychguy, on 10/10/2007, -2/+3It's called reframing. It's from the psychologist in me.
        • MadOtaku, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6Did you eat a psychologist?
          • neuropsychguy, on 10/10/2007, -2/+6I did actually. A little tough on the outside but all soft in the middle.
      • superkendall, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2Who is to say chris9902 is not the one reframing?
        • neuropsychguy, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2He/she was reframing. That's all we do as people because we are biased and cannot and should not escape our biases.
    • a5tr0cr3ep, on 10/10/2007, -3/+7i disagree, as a corporation anything that takes part of their market away is a threat no matter how big or how small, and i would like to stress small. i think in no way has apple disrupted anything, except their loyal fans, with the iphone. they have an amazing idea that could do something big but i dont think it has happened yet. to say nokia is worried b/c they are going after apple, IMHO, is drawing a correlation that is not there. i have seen 1000 of nokia phones and one iphone out in the wild. nokia sells more phones hands down... i think the attack against apple is them going after a new demographic.
      • superkendall, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2To not think the iPhone represents a huge threat to Nokia, is simply delusional. Apple has absolutley disrupted the smartphone market - while that will not affect the main phone market for some time, eventually more and more people will buy smartphones instead of normal phones if they can actually make good use of them.
        • rootstyle, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I disagree. I think the iPhone will *expand* the smartphone market. People who already own competent smart phones (usually company phones) are not going to switch to the iPhone. However casual phone users will want the features the iPhone offers and will buy it. When their iPhone contracts run out, they may want a more beefy smart phone, which may or may not be a newer iPhone model at that time.
    • nucleararms, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2You must not have realized how whiny that post sounded to every other person that isn't a huge Apple fanboy. I mean he just got ***** and lashed out like a 5 year old. And now Engadget has posted a follow up note. Awesome I hope that guy gets the ax.
    • digitalarcanum, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Your post just goes to show how ignorant you truly are and/or how deep into the RDF you are. Ignorance in the business world especially, is not bliss. You ignore something it'll only get to become more of an issue until it's the 500lb. gorilla in the room. No, I don't think Nokia is worried, I think think they're just capitalizing on the biggest mistake apple has ever made, because it makes good business sense.
  • pawntheking, on 10/10/2007, -14/+3Turnips.
  • steveoco, on 10/10/2007, -21/+24I think people are starting to see through there brilliant marketing.
    Apple products are not perfect and attitudes are changing...

    http://kokshoor.com/opinion/Apple_products_are_mad ...
    • Saiing, on 10/10/2007, -11/+4Don't count on it.

      Wait a few more weeks and Leopard will come out. Oooh a shiny dock. Oooh a backup system, and multiple desktops (which other O/Ss have had for years now). Oooh cover flow in finder. $120 for a few cosmetic changes, and several things that should have been in Mac OS way before now.

      And yet, Digg will be buried under a torrent of jizz as every fanboy for miles around masturbates furiously and foams at the mouth with excitement.
    • XYZ1, on 10/10/2007, -3/+2Fanboys dont forget that Apple is also just a company, and Apple is a company that sells totally overpriced products.
    • bmc31190, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1*their
    • BlueStarr, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1You obviously have never own an Apple product. Their sold well made machines that require very little if any up keep. I still have a G3 Blue n White Towar runing OS X on it.....what PCs do you know that run in similar specs to something like mine with one of the very latest OS? Not many.
  • dimplemonkey, on 10/10/2007, -15/+4After looking at the reality of the situation, sounds like some Nokia employees are crying over their iPhones.
  • themoosejuice, on 10/10/2007, -19/+7LOL. Nokia, its about time you steped up to the plate. iPhone has been smaking you around like crazy.
    • markperia, on 10/22/2007, -2/+6not really. Nokia is still one of the biggest mobile phone company in the world.

      Then again your definition of world is limited to USA.
      • MadOtaku, on 10/10/2007, -2/+1He never said anything about the world market (or what market he meant at all, for that mater). Although, as the iPhone is only available in the U.S. and Nokia has phones in the same market, you can bet he was talking about the only market they compete in. That said, I have no idea if his claims hold any merit, even when restricted to the relevant market, but you really are an idiot.
      • inkswamp, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1> Nokia is still one of the biggest mobile phone company in the world.

        Flash back to 2002. "Creative is still one of the biggest portable music device companies in the world." History repeats itself. Nokia is right to be scared.
        • gfnw, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Nokia should be terrified. After all, all the mainstream users that make up the bulk of phone sales are just rushing out to buy smartphones.

          Yeah, the only thing Nokia has to fear is whatever new RAZR derivative Motorola release each month.
    • themoosejuice, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2Yes Nokia got slapped. They are the biggest, therefore they should have come up with a sexy, simple, easy to use product a long time ago. I'm a Nokia symbian phone user, and I love it, but Symbian is ugly and not as user friendly as iPhone.

      Your small minded to think only people in the USA are buying and using iPhones.
    • mikemx, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3iPhone is a noobs phone, a plastic bauble.
  • ghostlywind, on 10/10/2007, -7/+16I like how we pay hundreds of dollars for a product and then we can't do anything we want with them like the ipod and ipod linux all the sudden we weren't allowed to do it.
    • noahhoward, on 10/10/2007, -2/+9You kind of knew they didn't want you to do whatever you wanted with it when you paid for it. You want to modify it, fine, but at least understand you are taking a risk and don't whine to the company when you don't like the results.
    • trappleton, on 10/10/2007, -4/+5A product doesn't do something it wasn't advertised to do? Horrors!
      • potp, on 10/10/2007, -6/+3 they advertised it as a ***** smartphone. the iphone is not one. for ***** sake it cant eve open a word, ppt or eve a txt file.
        • trappleton, on 10/10/2007, -4/+8Why, do you do a lot of slideshow presentations while you're waiting in line for a latte?
          It connects to the Internet, checks email, has a QWERTY keyboard, allows you to go to web sites, has a camera... I think that, even though it may not completely satisfy your elite computing desires, it is indeed a smartphone.
  • NeoRicen, on 10/10/2007, -2/+51Problem is most people (MOST people, not Digg/Engadget reading geeks) A. Probably don't know the iPhone is locked down so hard. B. Wouldn't take advantage of it if it were unlocked C. Don't care that Nokias phone is unlocked.

    If Nokia releases a phone even vaguely similar to their iPhone 'rip-off' demo that functions like the iPhone but is as open as other Nokia phones it will be an amazing thing.
    • arjie, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6That's what I've found interesting. Here in India we just buy the phone and slip a SIM card whenever we need another network. This is useful when some providers have better rates in one area. If you're staying in a place for 2-3 weeks it may be worth it to switch your provider temporarily, just remember to store your contacts on the phone rather than the SIM.
    • inkswamp, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1Yeah, well, the big trick will be for Nokia to release something like the iPhone before they can brag that being open matters (and given that even Apple, with all their experience, had a hard time getting the thing out the door on time, it may not be as easy as it sounds.) Nokia is coming off a little desperate. They've had years to develop their own iPhone, but they couldn't. And now they are sitting at the side-lines carping. This is the same thing that happened with the iPod. All these other companies had *years* to develop something like the iPod or iTunes but didn't, and then big names like Creative and Real sat at the side bitching about Apple. So, best of luck to Nokia, but it's just a lot of sound and fury as far as I can tell.
    • thedragon4453, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Agreed. I dont think this device is marketed to geeks. The thing that ***** me off though is that it could be the "be all and end all." With software updates they could make this phone the most capable on the market, and appeal not just to the normies, but the geek crowd too. Personally, I think that Apple really missed the boat here. Of course, the same thing was said about the iPod, because it didn't have an FM tuner and the like, but it still seemed to do ok...
  • t2t2, on 10/10/2007, -17/+3Now wheres that nPhone?

    (Nokia iPhone copy)
  • heystoopid, on 10/10/2007, -5/+3Smart moves , time will tell !
  • Bahimiron, on 10/10/2007, -2/+23Too bad the average person probably has no idea what these ads are referring to. They think their iPhone is just 'omg pretty' and don't really understand what the concept of a locked format really means to them.
    • noahhoward, on 10/10/2007, -3/+9I understand what a locked format means, now tell me why I should care? Why should I be stupid enough to pay $300 for a phoen then take it to a network where it doesn't have all the features I paid for and I have to pay a fortune for data?
      • Bootes, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3It makes sense when you go on vacation and want to use your phone without paying $2 a minute.
        • superkendall, on 10/10/2007, -2/+3Since you'd have to get a different SIM anyway, it's not that much different to simply buy a dirt-cheap phone and pay-as-you-go SIM in other countries. And with the latest update you don't have to worry about the iPhone roaming on EDGE data, while you can still use data when you hit a WiFi network.

          I'd also liked to see it unlocked for foreign travel, but it's not like it's really that huge of a deal in the end. It's not like Americans ever had great options in that regard before.
    • senatorpjt, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1The thought of subsidy locks didn't even occur to me. I don't really give a ***** what carrier the phone uses, they're all pretty much the same. The inability to add third-party apps is the problem with the iPhone. Having to use AT&T doesn't affect the usability of the phone at all, maybe just the price of the contract, but so what, the phone is already expensive.
  • seraph582, on 10/10/2007, -7/+2...good? Next...
  • FlyCO, on 10/10/2007, -10/+2"iPhone" and "Unlocks" in the same sentence?

    I see what you did there...
  • damonic, on 10/10/2007, -12/+3It seems to me that Nokia is scared. Maybe they should focus on building a better device instead of wasting their money on an ad that doesn't even show one of their phones...
    • ncc74656m, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4I think they're letting the viewers' imagination do the advertising for them. I also am willing to believe that they will be dropping a major bomb soon.
  • brickbat, on 10/10/2007, -13/+3Too bad its just advertising *****. Try to get an N73 synced with any linux app and see how far you get.
    • potp, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4you linux retards shoul create an app to sync up nokia. nokia aint gonna spen millions of $$ on you 0.1% of the market.
    • mikemx, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2well said potp4. Linux zealots are always banging on about how good open source is.. well why don't they stfu and write some.
  • codehkr, on 10/10/2007, -12/+7Apple will design a phone, but Nokia will make it better.
  • kwanbis, on 10/10/2007, -15/+6sorry, but nokia phones are also locked, as are motorola's, etc.
    • Kamill85, on 10/10/2007, -3/+9Right, because you cant run 3rd party apps on Nokia phones.. and to put any file or ringtones you need to use Nokias 'nTunes' + pay for everything, get some brain sir.
    • Tippis, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5...except, of course, that you can get them unlocked (legally) at any streetcorner electronics shop, or just buy one without any lock to begin with, and never worry about Nokia screwing you over.
    • alphakappa, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4Nokia will happily sell you unlocked phones (unlike Apple) and unless you are buying their phones from a service provider, they are always unlocked.
  • mavedatthews85, on 10/10/2007, -3/+10That is rather humorous, I must say.
  • z0mbie2099, on 10/10/2007, -20/+17LOL, comment from an Engadget member, right on the money:

    " 'Even if Nokia can't help but copy the iPhone interface design in their own future-looking presentations.'

    Awwwwwww, looks like little Thomas Ricker had his feelings hurt that someone would dare take a knock at Apple in an ad. Cant have that, so he takes the tried and true Apple fanboy path of claiming that they copied Apple on something.

    Ooooooooooooh, you really showed them.

    What a D*ck. "
    • noahhoward, on 10/10/2007, -3/+12What a retard, look at their damn phone it IS an iphone clone. They even have a ***** quote from the company saying "we copied the iPhone".
      • kidcodea, on 10/10/2007, -8/+2err u know what u are talking about was a joke, right?
    • vidar808, on 10/21/2007, -0/+5Apple sucks! You suck! Go play with your little plastic shiny toy.
    • acydlord, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0People should really learn to do some research before claiming something is an iPhone clone. The nokia Internet Tablets (770/N800) have been out coming up on 4 years now. In my eyes the iPhone is the knock off.
  • MerryMortician, on 10/10/2007, -2/+15That is how it should work (advertising). Great job Nokia!
    • arjie, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Absolutely, the ads are pretty funny.
    • superkendall, on 10/10/2007, -5/+1Ads that help market another product are never a good idea.
    • BlueStarr, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I give them that... cause their phones don't work half as well.....lol
  • BBCmafia, on 10/10/2007, -6/+5Finally Reality, Apple and MS just as bad as each other. John Lennon said it (the dream is over) They care about the share price period.
    • MadOtaku, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3That's all Nokia cares about too. Corporations are not living beings and, as such, cannot care about you. I'm sure that the people in the corporations are nice enough, but policy dictates how they must run. Ultimately, any public company is responsible to its shareholders; it has to be.
    • EXreaction, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Who says MS is as bad as Apple?

      Sorry, but MS isn't the one suing people because they write tutorials for how to open one of their devices. MS isn't the one who sued a transportation company because they were named "pods". MS isn't the one giving takedown & DMCA notices to people who post up information about upcoming products.
      • Bartboy919, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3you forgot the part about Microsoft making a new version of windows every 5 years, because with apple releasing OSX so close to each other, it degrades the value of the bought product.
  • kidcodea, on 10/10/2007, -11/+5"Even if Nokia can't help but copy the iPhone interface design"

    errr... ICONS?
    WOW MINDBLOWING!!!
  • gemadouble, on 10/10/2007, -2/+3A slap on Steve's face. Ok, maybe not. Just a pat.
    • senatorpjt, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I hope that Steve Jobs takes this personally and decides to at least allow native apps on the iPhone.
  • SirZRX, on 10/10/2007, -0/+12i got an iPhone but if nokia release something better, ill sell my phone and buy a phone that allows me to do WTF i want with it!
    • JohanLieberg, on 10/10/2007, -1/+0If Nokia releases something better?? what planet are u from?
    • Radan, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2You know that has always been my philosophy too, for many years, but after using the same ***** phones from SE, Nokia, Motorola e.t.c for over ten years (and yes, I have tried them all), I have finally realised that this isn't the case anymore.
      SE and Nokia could have released an iPhone five years ago, but they didn't. This is mostly why I support Apple, because they are the only ones on the market right now who actually dares to look into the future and actually innovate something new instead of doing like all other tech companies out there and simply milk the old lousy products they already got, simply because people are too brainwashed to actually understand that maybe the products they pay a lot of money for, shouldn't be a freaking buggy piece of unuserfriendly *****.

      And no, Apple isn't some perfect saint who has come down to earth simply to bless us with great products, they're not (I'm personally even using a hacked iPhone with Vodafone, and I'm really ***** about it being locked to AT&T), but my point is that, If Apple hadn't released the iPhone, Nokia & CO would still be doing the same ***** phones, and they would probably continue doing that for at LEAST ten more years.

      Right now, it doesn't matter if Nokia or SE or even Motorola releases a phone which is twice as good as the iPhone in every possible way. They have all for too long showed me what their attitude towards the customer is, and how they treat us, and that is simply something I really don't support, but of course I pray to God, Oden and even my freaking toaster that the iPhone has made them all realise this too, and make them actually try to make phones which are actually good, instead of just pumping out phones with ten thousand different barely working features, which no one actually really uses anyway, like they have done in the past ten years.

      Just my two freaking ören.
  • mooninite, on 10/10/2007, -2/+19People don't seem to understand what Nokia is advertising.

    It's *NOT* the carrier lock they are talking about. It's the fact that you can load whatever application on your Nokia, or change settings to what you see fit.

    I swear diggers need to get a lobotomy.
    • superkendall, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2Doesn't the fact that so many people don't understand this mean it really doesn't matter much to most people? This ad was off target because 95% of buyers will not care.
      • DomZy, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2It's called market segmentation/targeting.
    • BlueStarr, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I understood it that way....you mean other people here didn't?
  • zbeast, on 10/10/2007, -9/+9The iPhone was kind of a market changing Idea.
    The iPhone is not the first smart phone but it is the first smart phone that has enough power
    for people to write interesting applications for it. You have the BlackBerry…Nice phone expensive to buy and to operate.
    You have the symbion os. Nice OS very crappy under powered phones seem to be running it.
    You have the Palmtop… it’s just a stupid palm with a phone.
    You have the danger fliptop. Very under powered and not very use expandable.
    You have Windows CE phones. Worlds worse OS for a phone oh but you can sync it with your exchange mail box… oh boy….

    Now you have the iphone… it’s not just the os that made it was the interface.
    With this soft interface and well known operating system it was easy for people
    To write and enhance the type of tools and applications that the phone could run easily.

    I’m sure… that apple latest firmware update was not just there to crush the mods but
    Just to stick on there plan of releasing there iTunes-Starbucks music store on time.

    I say don’t bitch at Nokia for being a copy cat I say embrace them. Now I think the
    Phone Company’s get it or I should say the hand set makers are starting to get it.
    I’m not interested in V-Cast I’m not interested in another pay feature option for my phone. I want a power phone that user expandable and I don’t want my bank account raided if I decide to use data vs voice. Internet in cities is pervasive let me use it with
    Wifi please and how about phones that are easy to use… button driven displays are hard to use… work on your interfaces and guess what your new handset sales may pick up.
    • SirZRX, on 10/10/2007, -3/+2dude i agree with u in every sentence, i was an iphone hater but i realized its potential after 3 weeks with the phone im neutral with it , i mean good at everything excels at nothing but web browsing, for 300 USD the phone is a steal.
    • PJBovoNox, on 10/10/2007, -3/+2I say you should relinquish your interwebs.
    • potp, on 10/10/2007, -4/+1have you eve used windows mobile 6? it better then anything out their. the htc touch run it and its a ***** awesome phone.
      • superkendall, on 10/10/2007, -2/+4Yeah it's so awesome, multiple people I know bought an iPhone after updating to WM6. They just couldn't take the awesomeness any longer.
      • poppieprong, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1I think Windows Media anything is terrible. Unless WM6 is a vast improvement over WM5 or 5.5, it's got to be absolutely horrible. (I acknowledge I haven't seen WM6 in action, but the videos and screencaps I've seen confirm that it is still an ugly and unpleasant user experience.)
    • sodoh, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Not sure I agree with your symbian os comment. There are plently of powerful phones out there running Symbian. Just look up the "Augmented Reality" stuff on the N95 for examples.
  • HeathInk, on 10/10/2007, -10/+7Apple is the devil! Apple is evil! The iPhone lockdown is the worst thing to happen in all of history and we should all kill ourselves!

    Or not.
  • wurk4fude, on 10/10/2007, -7/+8Agent Simmons: "Nokias are real nasty. You gotta respect the Japanese; they know the way of the Samurai"
    • sudowrestler, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Nokia is in Finland. Home of the famous samurai Toivo Tovoinan, "Toivo-san."
  • vichs, on 10/10/2007, -3/+4Nokia always was, is, and will be cell phone leader ;) Nice try from Apple, The iPhone is nice, and i love it, but they are screwing it big time... losing the chance to become #1... its a great phone, but *****... locked? only at&t or u cant even turn it on? limits for everything? may be an awesome phone, but ***** it... the only real thing that takes it apart is the touch screen, and its a matter of time for other phones to start incorporating that into their phones and then, bye bye iPhone.
    • MacParrot, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2uhhhh, Atari used to be the king of video game systems. I'm not saying Apple will take over the market (they won't with a single product locked to one carrier), but never say never. Nokia is the CURRENT cell phone leader. Apple is the CURRENT MP3 and content download service. We'll see what comes tomorrow.
  • jbird123, on 11/15/2007, -1/+7Even if Nokia can't help but copy the iPhone interface design in their own future-looking presentations.
    when did that happen???

    And i cant remember the N95s UI being rubbish... last time i checked it was awesome! You just don't know how to use it.

    Nokia Rules (even if there like 10x overpriced :S )
    • superkendall, on 10/10/2007, -3/+1If you don't "know how to use it" by using it, the interface could be improved.
    • omarciddo, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Last time I checked the iPhone ads were basically glorified instruction manuals.
  • rubyeyes, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2Looks like teh Nokia reads teh Digg too much.
  • gaiserrc, on 10/10/2007, -3/+7Nokia only supports partially unlocked phones. My 6133 is locked from playing any mp3 as ringtones, even the ones I create.
  • kurtwinter, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3As a Nokia owner, I have to say that it is as close to what Apple offers in phones as Apple itself. The new series of phones offer UMA service, very easy syncing with Macs and PCs, intuitive menus and a very high level of quality. Unfortunately, providers like AT&T and T-Mobile either screw up the interface with unnecessary pay-for services and ringtones (AT&T) or lock down network access preventing media players and networked Java apps from working (T-Mobile).
  • JoeyJoJoJr, on 10/10/2007, -3/+3This ad reminds me of the GM ads to hype up their hybrid cars, but GM has no car that can compete with the Prius. Nokia has no phone to promote in this ad. I guess some people talk and some people do. Even if they did come out with a touchscreen phone it will not hold a candle to the iPhone because it will not have the flair nor infrastructure to compete. The iPhone has unlimited potential and eventually Apple will continue to add new software upgrades, give programmers the ability to create widgets, and finally the crying will stop and the competitors will be left in Apple's wake.

    The End.
    • omarciddo, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3Trapped in the reality distortion field, huh? Had there been a reason for them to do so, Apple would've opened up the iPhone a bit more by now.
    • BarriedaleNick, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2" The iPhone has unlimited potential " - wow its THAT good is it? Great maybe I could use it to fly to Mars or bring aboput world peace or to calculate Pi to an infinite series. In this case Nokia do and have been doing for years. Apple havent delivered the goods and its just so much talk at present...
  • etx313, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2In my personal opinion Nokia makes the best cell phones I've ever used. I recently picked up a Helio Ocean, made by Pantec. I'm kinda regretting it, the Nokia phones just work so well. The pantec is littered with Software bugs and they don't plan on fixing them any time soon. I hope Nokia releases this, I'll be the first to pay an ETF and go get one.
  • Ingersoll, on 10/10/2007, -2/+1Where were you guys 12 hours ago when this first got posted?
    http://digg.com/apple/Nokia_takes_a_poke_at_the_Ap ...
  • wushi, on 10/10/2007, -3/+3i really hope the new nokia phone will rape the ibrick real hard...
  • ratboy4001, on 10/10/2007, -5/+4Nokia worried? My father works for Nokia both in the U.S. and in Europe and he isn't the least bit worried. In my opinion, Apple had a decent plan, but they're not going to get even close to touching the cell phone giant.

    You can take the iPhone and shuv it up my butt becuase I'll take an N-series over a "wanna-be" anyday.
    • Aleks, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2Well i'm happy with my iPhone, you can continue to do the extra key presses and annoying setups to sync your phone.. but whether it be apple or nokia.. i'd take any phone that requires me to do less work/reading up on the device to use it.
  • postalblowfish7, on 10/10/2007, -7/+4anyone who uses the word "fanboy" needs to have heir tongue cut to shreds, and their mouth filled with acid.

    • omarciddo, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3Shut up, fanboy.
    • ChayD, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3What, are we being sexist or something? Okay, how about 'Fanperson' then?
  • techweenie1, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4As much as I like OS X and my iPod I had no desire to get the iPhone ... So I opted for the Blackberry 8830 World Edition offered by Sprint which is capable of using both CDMA and GSM in the same handset, another nice touch is the GSM component is unlocked so if I wanted to use a different service abroad, say Orange in the UK, all I would have to do is put in my Orange sim chip and I could use the phone cheaply, rather than use international roam.
  • pevensen, on 10/10/2007, -3/+2Nokia phones aren't locked to networks?
    • Viakenny, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3sometimes. but Nokia does sell them unlocked.
  • shanghainobody, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Nokia is from Finland :P:)
  • fungke, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2Just a small point but aren't phones normally locked into a network anyway... unless you actually buy them 'unlocked'. Which then makes them incredibly expensive because the phone hasn't been subsidised by the provider. That's they way things work in the UK. If the cost of the iPhone was being subsidised like other brands then I'm sure there would be as much fuss... not that I condone they way Apple is handling this.
  • deadbaby, on 10/10/2007, -3/+1Is unlocking & third party apps really worth $350 more? Maybe for some people but not for most.
  • themoosejuice, on 10/10/2007, -5/+0ADS ----> Guess it would be cool if they advertised on web sites like Digg.com that talk about iphone unlocking, but the ads would be lost on the general public

    IPHONE vs NOKIA ----> It just amazes me Apple beat nokia to the punch on a full screen touch phone. Nokia has unlimited resources to get all these parts to make a phone like this. They really missed the boat. That said: I would still buy a iphone like phone from Nokia if they ever decide to release one. Must be sexy, no buttons!, nice interface. Compared to the iPhone, the current line up of Nokia cells look like yesterdays news
  • ARob, on 10/10/2007, -9/+3Make a better phone, then you can make these kinds of ads.
  • ChayD, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1For the majority of average Joes that will have iPhones, this won't be a problem as for a start they won't know what unlocking/firmware/third party apps means. They will be happy with their photo viewing, music playing and phone calling. Eventually Apple with release an SDK for lots of $$$ for use by big cellcos only, and the public will pay for the resulting apps. Maybe at some time in the future, Apple will open up the platform, but for now, while there is money to be made, they're not going to capitulate to a small group of geeks (myself included). If you're unhappy, sell your iPhone to an average Joe and buy one with a more open interface. Or just wait and see...

    Vote Quimby
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