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- kevinmotel, on 07/03/2008, -1/+403google should send it on 3.5" floppy disks
- maldovix, on 07/04/2008, -1/+184A pile large enough to be seen from space.
Edit: just did the math out of curiosity, it's about 270 tons of floppy disks
Edit 2: And laid end to end would stretch about 700 miles - inactive, on 07/03/2008, -5/+164***** VIACOM
***** THE RIAA - Skooma714, on 07/04/2008, -2/+125Yeah, Google if you can just give us every trade secret you own and data on all of your users that would be just keen!
Who the ***** do these people think they are? They wanted the source code to Google!? What the hell would make them think they even for a minute had any ground to demand that?
Those execs must have been doing way too much coke. - killbert24, on 07/03/2008, -2/+125"The data set is large, but the judge noted that it could be slapped on three "over-the-shelf" 4TB drives."
Last time I checked, there weren't any 4TB hard drives. The largest "over-the-shelf" drive I can find is 1TB. This means that the data set would need to be slapped onto twelve 1TB drives. - Vektuz, on 07/04/2008, -2/+116Google needs to hand over the data to comply with the ruling.
They should comply EXTRA compliably. The data should be in the form of plain text english. A sample line from the log should be:
"On The First Day of the Month of February in the year Two thousand and one AD, at exactly One minute and three seconds and four thousand five hundred microseconds past noon, a User at the IP address one-three-seven-two attempted to access the video on our web server four which resides in dallas, texas. The web server received the following bytes of data in the request: Two Hundred and Fifty Four. Seventy Three... "
And so on. Give them all the relevant information and as much irrelevant information as is humanly possible. If they need help sorting it... tough. For bonus credit add redundant timestamps to every line, and make sure the file is multi-character encoded (for internationalization!) so its twice as big as it needs to be. Then send a truck full of CDROMS with it burned on to.
Extra credit for sending the ip addresses in a giant terrabyte text file seperate from the giant terrabyte of address logs seperate from the giant terrabytes of access logs, seperate from the giant terrabytes of requests. Or for seperating each request, user, access data, and other event into its own .txt file with filenames that look like md5 hashes. - MavRevMatt, on 07/03/2008, -2/+110He's a judge. You've read the decisions about tech related cases and they don't know ***** about what they're deciding on.
- drcosquared, on 07/04/2008, -1/+101These aren't the droids you're looking for.
- Firehed, on 07/04/2008, -2/+98Preferably in a single zip spanning 10 million disks. All unlabeled.
- rald84, on 07/04/2008, -1/+94punch cards ftw.
- Wolfie351, on 07/04/2008, -4/+96What troubles me is that Google actually has the user data to hand over.
- mediaspree, on 07/03/2008, -3/+83Big corporations piss me off. Don't they understand its free advertising? If you produce quality content people will come watch your show on TV then show it all their friends on youtube who may then become fans of your show. Course then they'll just tivo it and skip the commercials. But I digress.
- str8lazy, on 07/03/2008, -2/+81Sounds like a fishing expedition to me, are they going to attempt to prosecute those who uploaded materials that they have copyrighted? It just seems like there sound be legal provisions in place that wouldn't allow for this type of action. It would seem as if the contents of the search and how the searches are conducted are the intellectual property of Google & Youtube. Intellectual property is something that I wouldn't want a media company like Viacom to get their hands on. Thats just my two cents.
- digismack, on 07/04/2008, -0/+72They should post a .torrent file of the data on The Pirate Bay for Viacom.
- ThreeDee912, on 07/03/2008, -0/+71Has anyone noticed it's basically:
Google VS. Everyone Else? (Viacom, Yahoo, FCC, NBC/Universal, Verizon, Microsoft, SEO&email spam, News Corp., etc.)? The list goes on and on and on... - wiifm69, on 07/04/2008, -0/+68Corrupt the last floppy disk in the set. Mur hahaha
- nblsavage, on 07/04/2008, -1/+62Lawyers work the same way politicians do. Push for something outrageous that you know will be rejected so the other things you ask for don't sound as bad.
- carlj133, on 07/03/2008, -3/+64***** EVERYONE
- inactive, on 07/04/2008, -0/+59dugg up for two facts i didn't know before reading,
seriously good work sir - FuryOfThor, on 07/03/2008, -3/+59Suck it, Viacom!
- MelvinSchlubman, on 07/04/2008, -2/+555.25"
- arunforce, on 07/04/2008, -0/+52Would you be interested in doing my math?
- GCarden, on 07/04/2008, -0/+49And while they're at it, Viacom would like a pony.
- tm4c, on 07/04/2008, -2/+48If anything Google should have offered the compromise of sending them the hashcode of the IP address and username. I can't wait for the day when Judges are required to have a technical degree in the case they are presiding over.
- inactive, on 07/04/2008, -1/+45Interesting that Viacom would insist on the Google source code for search, Google's main advantage in search. This code has nothing to do with the case but presents an opportunity to hijack Google's advantage in the search business. Google has paid good money for excellent research and discovery of suitable talent yet, Viacom in an insidious attempt with nefarious intent has attempted to use the law and copyright ***** to usurp Google in a way that would damage it permanently. Its disgusting that Viacom would wish to effectively hijack Google's business and with that profit from code that has no relevance whatsoever in the concept that uploading 10 min clips of content can damage profits. Viacom have no shame and are a company acting as if a child removed of toys.
- grantmoore3d, on 07/04/2008, -0/+44Or print it using an old Dot Matrix printer.... SSCCCCccreeeeeeaaaaacccchhhh X billion
- VitriolAndAngst, on 07/04/2008, -1/+41Oooh -- that would be perfect.
And of course, encrypted punch cards. - shadowblade989, on 07/04/2008, -0/+38The 12TB of data should be transferred via P2P on a bandwidth-throttled connection.
- inactive, on 07/04/2008, -1/+384TB = 4 Tablespoon
The judge won't know any better, go Google, do it! - inactive, on 07/04/2008, -3/+40From comments of original article posted earlier today.
"The Judge"
Daniel Patrick Moynihan
United States Courthouse
500 Pearl St., Room 2250
New York, NY10007
Phones
(212) 805-0252
Faxes
(212) 805-0389 - nblsavage, on 07/04/2008, -1/+37Well I can understand having the uploaders data but not viewers.
- zyklon, on 07/04/2008, -1/+36I struggle to find the words that describe my hatred for Viacom. You KNOW some arsehole is sitting in his office at Viacom saying something to the tune of "Yeah, like we're the bad guys".
- ZaZ2137, on 07/04/2008, -0/+34Be an interesting WinRAR vs 7zip test
- bxblox, on 07/04/2008, -3/+36"We'll just be needing the source code to google." L O freaking L
- GorfTron, on 07/04/2008, -1/+34Discovery is always a bitch in the hands of morons.
- Anakashar, on 07/04/2008, -0/+33Flip it over.
- tama00, on 07/04/2008, -1/+32then send each floppy to them via carrier pidgins.
- XeroKool, on 07/04/2008, -0/+31This is Google we're talking about. There is no such thing as delete.
- TubeDigger, on 07/04/2008, -1/+30Viacom broke the Chappelle Show and now they want to read your diary. How do you take down a bully?
- striker1211, on 07/04/2008, -2/+30To a judge a TB=GB and clicking "connect to unsecured network"=hacking. Im sure he was thinking of 4GB Flash drives.
- cankillar, on 07/04/2008, -3/+31Look at your youtube logged-in page. Do you have favorites? Subscriptions? Comments on other's videos? Ratings? Comments on your videos? You also have login information, # of videos watched, uploaded, total views, and time spent logged in. Numerous other variables are kept for your benefit. If google didn't keep these facts for you to look at, youtube wouldn't be of much use or interest. 12TB seems pretty low, since youtube is, what, the second most visited site among alexa users?
I made a program that stored information about employees at a company for a school project. You couldn't even guess how many hidden variables there are for something as simple as that. - rald84, on 07/04/2008, -1/+28from looking at the pics and also checking newegg, those 4TB drives are external boxes housing four 1TB drives in RAID.
- slave1, on 07/04/2008, -1/+28No Source Code for Old Men
- VitriolAndAngst, on 07/04/2008, -0/+26How did Viacom prove that they were hurt financially by people posting their material on Google anyway?
And what does the search engine tech have to do with the videos --- of course, nothing.
The idiot who ruled in this case doesn't understand the tech involved, the damages and what end goes in what of the internet tubes. This is like anally probing an entire school because you claimed that someone there might have raped you. - aussieNickuss, on 07/04/2008, -0/+25"4TB hard drive arrays" NOT "4TB hard drive"
- Loonacy, on 07/04/2008, -0/+23You mean I installed this Magical Fairy Dust Firefox addon for nothing?
- VitriolAndAngst, on 07/04/2008, -2/+24Wow, finding some old geezer judge is sure a lot cheaper and easier than buying a company... does Google have to give Viacom their first born too?
I guess, we shouldn't be surprised if Viacom makes a breakthrough in search engine technology after this. - JesseJ, on 07/04/2008, -1/+23I think we all should send Viacom some data. I will send them some data via email right now. I think If we all send each day a few Mb of random data to Viacom as an email attachment, they will be satisfied!
How about some email adresses? - Clark, on 07/04/2008, -2/+24Of course the copyrighted material is going to be more popular, that's where people went too look up video clips.
Now, of course, that this is pretty much gone, people go to YouTube for originalish content.
I wouldn't have minded if Google handed over how many copyrighted videos were watched, but there really was no reason to give the IP addresses as well. - ayeroxor, on 07/04/2008, -0/+22Compression method: Store
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