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- KevenM, on 10/10/2007, -2/+34THIS is Reputocracy. At least the beginnings of it. Mark my words, this is how government democracy will evolve (just didn't think it would start so soon). If anyone's interested in having a serious ongoing discussion about this concept, send me a shout.
- markp93, on 10/10/2007, -0/+28"Wiki", "Kiwi" are anagrams, this works perfectly!
- chrispeters, on 10/10/2007, -0/+19I think most of you fail to realise that the public aren't actually writing what the law will be. They are opening up the wiki for input from the public. From what I understand as a New Zealander, it is a chance for us to have our say, that's all.
- Julz, on 10/10/2007, -0/+13Wooo go new zealand!
- nexah3, on 10/10/2007, -0/+12"Rob, stop trying to make wearing hats on Tuesday a law."
- dojonz, on 10/10/2007, -1/+12You absolute douche. New Zealand has the second highest rate of internet penetration in the world. Moreover, if the user does not have a computer, they can take their ass down to the public library and use one of theirs for free.
- psevium, on 10/10/2007, -0/+11Better article: http://stuff.co.nz/4215797a10.html
Wiki itself: http://wiki.policeact.govt.nz/ - inactive, on 10/10/2007, -3/+14I'm not sure about this. On the one hand, it's really great that citizens can get to actually write their law. On the other hand, it's very easy for people to manipulate it. I won't approve of this until its got its own wikiscanner.
- dojonz, on 10/10/2007, -1/+10New Zealand is progressive.
- lukifer, on 10/10/2007, -1/+10Your ideas intrigue me, and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
- det0r, on 10/10/2007, -0/+9They aren't "writing the law", they are writing submissions which will be taken in to account when the law is being written. This means that any extreme view points will probably be discarded, but it still provides the public with an opportunity to contribute any reasonable ideas/opinions into the law making process. People can write to their own politicians to do this traditionally, but it just provides a more direct method for doing so.
- robbiemuffin, on 10/10/2007, -1/+9manipulation occurs offline too, you know. I'm amazed: its the first novel government idea I've seen since ...well, since the 80s
- Shigglyboo, on 10/10/2007, -2/+10this is AWESOME! I'd love to see this in the US. the extremists would be tempered/outnumbered I think by the rational people. I think most intelligent people will agree that our prison population is out of control, drugs should be legal, cops spend too much time handing out speeding tickets and not enough time driving around looking for people changing lanes without a turn signal. oh yeah, and I'd venture to say most of America has had it with the war and the dissolution of personal liberty. However, I think our government has been seized by crooks, and would you give up all that power you stole?
- dinostabOMG, on 10/10/2007, -0/+8Reputocracy? So are you the one who vandalized Wikipedia with that completely unwikiworthy article?
- cjh24, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7The new Police Act must first go to a select committee, it won't be a "WYSIWYG" law. The Wiki is just to encourage more public involvement.
And of course it will be re-written after review, because Joe Citizen doesn't know how to write legalese.
PS: I am a Kiwi - lukifer, on 10/10/2007, -1/+8Yet more proof that other countries are surpassing the U.S. in the science of the democratic process.
- dimebonics, on 10/10/2007, -1/+8I had done some preliminary research on New Zealand after basically feeling stifled by laws and governance here in the U.S. -- creating a more open system for writing laws makes moving that much more attractive. This appears to be one of those things that just makes TOO much sense; let the people who live by the laws create them instead of sneaky politicians crafting riders onto other bills.
- digichris, on 10/10/2007, -1/+7is it just me? Because I am seeing this as a very pure form of democracy. I wouldn't be too worried about government corruption when the government came up with this idea in the first place. I think citizens writing their own laws is pretty neat, and it gets them more involved in their government.
- dimebonics, on 10/10/2007, -1/+7They don't have public libraries in New Zealand?
- KevenM, on 10/10/2007, -1/+7One step at a time, and this is a critical one.
- FreakyD, on 10/10/2007, -2/+7There is no way, I think it's a cool concept but it cant happen. There are too many people with to many extreme point of views. I.E. could you see the people on Digg writing the law? I'm not insulting anyone, but more times than not when it gets political, it becomes a school yard fight.
- Litespeed, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5Well, we were the first country to give women the vote.
- Xondar, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6This is a really cool idea. If implemented properly, it will give the average citizen some say in how laws are shaped. The problem with modern democracy, it seems to me, is there is a disconnect between what voters want and what lawmakers do. For example, most people in the United States are against the war in Iraq, yet the Bush Administration is intent on dragging that war on in perpetuity. This could very well be the first step in the worlds first true "democracy," laws made by the people.
I guess the next logical step would be to allow every citizen of a nation to vote online for the passage of bills. There would be no need for legislative chambers as the entire citizenry of a nation would become the legislators. It would be fascinating to see a nation ruled this way. - cjh24, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5no congress in NZ, we have a Parliment and a Queen
- elusive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4This is an interesting idea. They should borrow some ideas from the system that was used by the FSF for the GPL drafts. Anyone can comment, areas are color coded based on controversy, etc.
Take a look at the AGPL draft to get an idea of what it looks like (scroll down to see the color coding and commentary): http://gplv3.fsf.org/comment/agplv3-draft-2.html - geddon, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4There's a ton of crazy edits to the wiki (which were promptly removed). Here's my favorite:
"Commissioner" means the Boss, so if you see him, look busy.
"Deputy Commissioner" means the fella who wants to be number 1, but isn't, so he's permanantly stroppy.
"Employee" means the poor fella who the two above will order around like their personal slave.
"Minister" means a corrupt person born with a sliver spoon in his bum, or the cabinet Minister in charge of spanking.
"Police" means the instrument of the Crown known as the pigs.
"Reasonable Suspicion of Criminal Wrongdoing" means some legal stuff, but you wont need to worry about it, because the police are always brilliant and never wrong. - KevenM, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4no doubt, the same idiots who don't know where the voting stations are, nor who's running for office.
- whatthefu, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5It's a cool idea, but have you seen Wikipedia? They're ***** crazy and complicated as it is, what with all the guidelines and edit wars.
- sineyopitty, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Kiwipedia!
- sotopheavy, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5Lets start one here!
- fuel997, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4why doesn't someone just make a wiki now of all current us law and lets see how it would change, give this thing a dry run
- Stevethegreat, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4I for one think that Wikipedia is -regardless of its flaws- a succeeded experiment. I think you spend too much time looking at its flaws and you omit the whole picture, it's the greatest openly available encyclopedia in the whole of the human history and it continues growing, I won't be franked if Wikipedia will be made to be the modern Library of Alexandria.
- breadbin, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4We're moving back to NZ in November. Ah, I can't wait to craft that bald-men-with-goatee-exemption clause into the income tax law.
- adamruth, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Wyoming in the US beat you by 24 years (though they weren't country.)
- BrapAllgood, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4I also think it's a fabulous idea. Very similar to something I imagined in 2000. We have no need for representation alone when there is so much more possible with technology.
- joel2600, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4and your alternative is what? letting congress and the white house decide what's best for us? i'm not sure if you've been paying attention, but that's really not working out so well.
- known, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Great.
A country is not made of land; a country is made of its people. - digichris, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4True and sad.
- KevenM, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3about as many mods as there are on Digg actually.
- fatdog789, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Yes, because rational people have nothing better to do than vigilantly guard a wiki page from extremist modifications....You'd have to be pretty anal to do something like that, which filters out most of the "rational" population. This approach favors extremists, because they have the most vested interest in tracking/making changes.
- nick111, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2I'm not so sure about this one - its ability to produce non-destructive results depends on an informed public - and the TV news in NZ is ***** dismal - at least 50% of it is sport - and there's generally 1 "world news" story per program.
Democracy at this level - rather than representative democracy greatly increases the power of the 4th Estate - which is, alas, prone to ownership by a handful of extremely rich men (eg : Rupert Murdoch) who exact a sort of passive editorial censorship. - shootdashit, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2actually, we take surveys all the time online. write upm our opinions here. if we had an open source site where code was available to be regulated by we the people, perhaps we could have suggestions submitted and allow us to vote on the most popular suggestions. i think this is a great idea, though years of being a US citizen would tell me this isn't possible. but we were all programmed incorrectly about so many things.
- KevenM, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3it can be adapted to allow for weigthed opinions - just like here we can not only digg or bury a story, but we can equally digg or bury the actual comments relating to the story. This is a simplified version of it, but the concept can be tweaked to work. Check the other site I told you about a few days ago for more info...
- orbaldrugger, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2New Zealand is a great rugby playing nation *and* a new model of democracy? Maybe they will propose a law among nations that conflicts will no longer be resolved by war but by rugby games, not by who wins or loses, but at the social after the match. :o) Now we are getting somewhere, folks.
- fatdog789, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Of course, now you get to the problem of defining knowledgeable. Will only academic knowledge count? What about knowledge from non-academic sources, such as experience or self-education? What level of self-education is enough? Will we need to test people to confirm that they actually know something? What if they're disciples of an unfavored school of thought?
That solution would just replace 1 problem with 10. - julianrod, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2'Reputocracy' may not sound quite right in spanish...
- Julz, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3we do, its just that some idiots dont even know where they are
- glasnt, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3I can just imagine it.
Go change the 'Shoplifting' page from 'Sentence: 6 months, or $5000 fine' to 'Sentence: Judge to sing 'Nicky Webster' for 10 minutes'; then go out shoplifting.
I should actually read the story, hey? - julianrod, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3I had a couple of ideas like this, making the law through collaboration was one (and I think it's great). Also........:
- Making the law as a software pseudocode, to avoid wrong interpretations (no clue as to how to do it, though)
- Total true democracy through electronic vote: The whole population could vote once a week over the important subjects, the job of the congress would be to propose laws, the vote would be on people's hands. - cjh24, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2There are a few options for those that want to be invloved with the Police Act Review: Snail Mail, Fax, Telephone, E-Mail, In Person etc.
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