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- riklomas, on 10/12/2007, -6/+146Inaccurate, it calls Digg users "Sophisticated Internet users"...
- NtrmDscrptr, on 10/12/2007, -2/+115Yeah, they totally characterized us as pirates.
I wrote an email to the author, explaining how this key is the only way Linux users can play back HD-DVDs they've legally purchased on their legally purchased HD-DVD drives.
If he wants to write a story about a revolt, he should at least understand WHY people are revolting. - NtrmDscrptr, on 10/12/2007, -3/+75Also notable is a nyt.com blog entry on the Digg revolt, complete with links to The Number:
http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/05/02/the-day-the-digg-users-revolted/
By linking to The Number, has the New York Times joined the fight? - Riffraffs, on 10/12/2007, -0/+69From the article:
"A throng of tech-savvy Internet users have banded together over the last two days to publish and widely distribute a secret code used by the movie industry to prevent illegal copying of high-definition movies."
If that was all it did it wouldn't be a problem, it's not. It prevents ANY copying legal or not. It also prevents you from watching a HD-DVD on any hardware other then what the AACS decides to grace with their approval, even with no copying involved. - noreturn, on 10/12/2007, -8/+70http://googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=4+8+15+16+23+42&word2=09+f9+11+02+9d+74+e3+5b+d8+41+56+c5+63+56+88+c0
Most famous number on the internet, my ass. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+46THE Story Does not mention the main impetuous of why the number is now being posted.
THE LAWYERS PUBLISHED THE NUMBER IN ONE OF THEIR DOCUMENTS AND DISTRIBUTED IT THEMSELVES!!! - EvolvedAnt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+37@Noreturn
Learn to use a proper google search before you try to debunk the numbers popularity by search results alone. For a set of strings that are seperated with white space but are part of one sequence, you need to contain it in quotes or it will find references to each individitual number instead of the string as a whole.
http://googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=%224+8+15+16+23+42%22&word2=%2209+f9+11+02+9d+74+e3+5b+d8+41+56+c5+63+56+88+c0%22 - Simen, on 10/12/2007, -7/+37"....sparked its proliferation on Web sites (...) inside cleverly doctored digital photographs..."
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No it didnt. A lot of us didnt care one way or the other. Its a useful website, not my identity as a person. - Junkyarddawg, on 10/12/2007, -2/+25They're giving this almost as much coverage as some other non-event, like, say, a new company setting up a completley unprofitable office in Second Life!
- tehkain, on 10/12/2007, -1/+23I am glad they had atleast one sentence there describing why some of us dislike drm. Its not about pirating for me. It is about playing what I want where I want.
- Po0py, on 10/12/2007, -3/+23Ooh! They's callin' us "Sophisticated Internet users"
Lolz - Namarrgon, on 10/12/2007, -1/+19In the US, maybe. Even the DMCA has exceptions for interoperability I believe. Most other countries don't have a DMCA law at all.
It wasn't always this way. Do something about it. Civil disobediance isn't enough. Write to your political representative - repeal the DMCA. - kidd3ckz, on 10/12/2007, -4/+19SO FISH CAN ATE IT
- n1pz, on 10/12/2007, -6/+21@coolestkidalive
"What company is going to want to purchase a startup that can't control it's own users?"
Look at google- youtube. Besides this is giving digg a lot of attention from stories on other site. As they say "There's no such thing as bad publicity" - lordsandwich, on 10/12/2007, -7/+21@scottylist
Equally repulsive is how Kevin and Jay are spinning their actions into a so-called "change of heart". I love Digg, but the fact remains that its admins tried to mass-delete anything and everything relating to the HD-DVD key, and when they realized it was utterly futile (seriously, they thought they could win this?), they go out and publicly claim that they're standing up for their users. "Go down fighting" my ass. - scottylist, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14dotorg, don't be so ignorant. The revolt had NOTHING to do with the key. The key was just a catalyst. The revolt happened because Digg was censoring users who were complaining about the censorship of the key. Tell it how it is, don't spin it. People who were used to using a democratic site suddenly felt a centrally-controlled communist influence on their freedom. The Berlin Wall then came down and the rest, as they say, is history.
- Setari, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12There are 100 people who still think that is clever.
:P - gadgetuk, on 10/12/2007, -5/+17I just wish the amount of energy everyone expended fighting for this as a "first amendment" right could have been redirected towards protecting some of the other rights you lot have been giving up far to easily. Digg is just a website, not your life and livelihood, your government is far more important.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12It even made the TIMES here in London.......hip, hip HOOOORRRRRAAAAAAYYYYY.......for all the diggers
http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/the_web/article1739123.ece - O9f911O29d74e35, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12hex·a·dec·i·mal /ˌhɛksəˈdɛsəməl/
–adjective Computers, Mathematics.
1. Also, hex. of or pertaining to a numbering system that uses 16 as the radix, employing the numerals 0 through 9 and representing digits greater than 9 with the letters A through F.
Or as the NYT sees it :"a specialized counting system." - Eeqmcsq, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12Tuesday's revolt brought to attention two issues. First, the removal of stories containing the key that can unlock the AACS encryption, and second, that the Digg administrators tried to keep Digg users from even knowing about their removal of the stories containing the keys by deleting stories mentioning the removal. While the second issue is Digg specific, the first issue is what most of the web noticed, that companies were sending out DMCA notices to remove a 128-bit number, claiming that it was copyrighted, and that people don't have a right to post this number. Of course, people thought this was ridiculous, and hence the wiki postings and the you tube song and the t-shirts.
And all of this is because the number is a key to unlocking a copy protection scheme on HD-DVD. A scheme that can restricts users from legally using their HD-DVDs in some circumstances.
Tuesday's revolt taught me that if you restrict the people's freedom, they WILL revolt, and they WILL fight back. I wonder how long it will be before the movie and music industry's continued demand for DRM causes a revolt from their consumers?
The more they tighten their grip, the more we will slip through their fingers. - scottylist, on 10/12/2007, -3/+14I love how NONE of the major media stories about the Digg revolt mentioned that Digg deleted not just posts about the numbers, but also posts criticizing their removal of the numbers. That's what really started the revolt, when people realized it wasn't just the number being censored. I agree that Digg won't get bought out any time soon. It took years to grow the userbase to what it is today and it almost lost it all in a few hours. It's too risky for a serious buyer. As for the CTR on the Ads, I don't block any Ads and have been using Digg for months and have yet to even read a single ad, let alone click on one. Hopefully they're getting paid per impression, not clicks.
- dannystaple, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13The thing about adblock+noscript, is that I actually whitelist all the sites I actually like. It is when hitting links to the unknown, very ad-heavy or sites I really don't trust that all those things are turned on at. I actually do see the digg, UF and other sites ads, because I am happy to support them.
- kibbled, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9From the article...
"the users who joined the revolt and published the codes may be exposing themselves to legal risk."
Now I am a criminal. Does this mean I am going to be hunted down like Harrison Ford in "The Fugitive". Do I have to escape from a bus and jump off a dam? I'm scared, someone hold me. - LegendOfLink, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12@coolestkidalive
You don't think Digg will get acquired because they can't control their users? Clearly, you haven't heard of a little company called YouTube. - GMorgan, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10Depends on if it is repeated. Look at France, they have whole rafts of laws that are de facto non-existent because everyone violates them. If each time this sort of thing happens people just wilfully ignore the law and do what they like then the DCMA becomes less than worthless. A law is only as good as it's enforceability.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9I love this quote:
"However, with thousands of Internet users now impudently breaking the law, Mr. Sprigman said that the entertainment and technology industries would have no realistic way to pursue a legal remedy."
And since when has that stopped anyone like, say, the RIAA? - MacParrot, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9NY Times Reporter: Wow! Stop the Presses! Digg users in revolt over HD DVD encryption numbers stories being yanked off the site! Wait til I tell the Editor!
Reporter rushes in to his editor's office...
NY Times Reporter: Chief! Chief! Listen up! Apparently Digg users are revolting!
NY Times Editor: (blank stare) And?
NY Times Reporter: Um...Digg users...revolting...because of stories with HD DVD encryption numbers being pulled off the site.
NY Times Editor: Son, first rule of Journalism, don't start off with the obvious - Sixcolors, on 10/12/2007, -5/+13I was pretty revolted by what I saw, that's for sure. :P I'm glad to see the site back to "normal".
- Fartag, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9@dotorg: "...was about following the mob mentality and giving the finger to "the man" ... the whole thing was pathetic ... fundamentally unimportant as a decryption key for *movies* ... guise of "freedom" ... whining", etc.
Then you've obviously missed the point! Information is _vital_ to a society's growth. Many people see the benefits of freely flowing information via the Internet and naturally become used to it and don't want to give it up. The DMCA, associated copy protection / encryption schemes and the smear campaign against information sharers all attempt to limit information flow. The HD-DVD key is a form of artificial limitation on an already limited information "product". It limits playback to certain players, to certain platforms, it's the progression of a form of technology designed to strip away the benefits of unencumbered information.
"The number" rebellion was an announcement of a minor gain against this particular information control, it allows playback of HD-DVD's before some date on arbitrary systems. But it also shows the strange juxtaposition of a "free" society that employs the DMCA to control what you can legally say even if it's down to a few hex numbers. The DMCA is squarely against the 1st amendment but it's allowed and encouraged by government and those with interest in keeping information under wraps due to its economic benefits.
Anyway, this was all a very minor tremor in the upcoming clashes that help decide how we can share / treat information in the future. The future will decide what we are legally allowed to tell others, and how we should pay for information that is best shared by everyone. It will decide who the next wave of criminals are and how stiff the penalties will be. I'm obviously biased towards public-information freedom and there are many ways to ensure those that produce the information get paid without crippling the information sources or antiquated legal nastiness. - Mohonri, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7How about this? Instead of posting comments on Digg, why don't we all take some of the time normally spent commenting, and write to our representatives?
Don't say "Repeal the DMCA", though. There are parts of that law that are actually good, like Safe Harbor provisions. But the part that makes circumvention illegal needs to go. Tell your representative to work to repeal (or at least add exemptions to) "WIPO Copyright and Performances and Phonograms Treaties Implementation Act" Section 103. This section now forms Chapter 12 of US Copyright Law.
Interestingly enough, according to Wikipedia, the actions made illegal by the WIPO C..... Section 103 supposedly are not supposed to affect fair use. Look here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WIPO_Copyright_and_Performances_and_Phonograms_Treaties_Implementation_Act - numberbanned, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Users that were banned for posting are still banned even with this so called reversal. The original poster who had 15000 diggs is still banned even though Kevin posted a story with the same offending number.
People were being banned well after the public comments about not deleting posts. - ajamer, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Amazing that this has hit their front page. I can't wait to see the look on the faces of the corporate lawyers when they read this in the morning with their coffee
- tethead, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6not just on NYTimes.com, but in fact on the front page of the physical NYT! (people still get actual newspapers, don't they?)
below the fold, but still front page news. impressive. - muuhgnoo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7As it did on the German "Der Spiegel" website:
http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/web/0,1518,480554,00.html - geoken, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6How is it about stealing? Maybe you should re-read the comment a few posts above yours outlining the reasons the cracks were developed in the first place. People with legitimately purchased hardware, software and content were unable to play their movies.
- crashflow, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7there are 10 kinds of people those who understand binary and those who don't.
NYT is obviously catering to the latter. - an0nymous, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7(not my submission):
http://digg.com/business_finance/See_what_ABC_News_has_to_say_about_Digg_Digg_users#c6490699
ABC just ripped us a new one.
sample quote:
"And that is exactly what Kevin Rose did. Rather than maturely endure the momentary anger of his community, he instead caved in the most craven manner possible. With a certain justice, all that this gutless move managed to do was earn Rose even more contempt for being two-faced and spineless." - Eeqmcsq, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7"The rest was just melodramatic nonsense."
So in other words, I have what it takes to be a Hollywood script writer. Woohoo! - zachgc, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Dugg for Star Wars quote at the end of your comment. The rest was just melodramatic nonsense.
- OrangeTide, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Wishful thinking on your part.
- tsbardella, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7This is a bluray key just for you
E20E7A19466208B7C58D0A87B8050425564E0F49=Bikini Destination triple fantasy - bightchee, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5"The broader distribution of the code may not pose a serious threat to the studios, because it requires some technical expertise and specialized software to use it to defeat the copy protection on Blu-ray and HD DVD discs."
Doesn't everyone just get prompted by their software for the key to decrypt the disc?
http://users.adelphia.net/~vulgar967/ljstuff/hddvdkey.jpg - ajent420, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5— a string of 32 digits and letters in a specialized counting system —
I thought we were in the ages of people understanding AT LEAST what hexadecimal is... - JackDoyle, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4From the article: "...propagating even parts of techniques intended to circumvent copyright was illegal."
This doesn't make much sense. In order to circumvent the encryption, you must have at least installed an operating system on your computer. Being that it is a requirement, wouldn't posting instructions on how to install an operating system on your computer thus violate the DMCA? - sjbdallas, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5The Bill of Rights states that "Congress shall make no law.....abridging the freedom of speech". This isn't outlawing the ability for you to post the code anywhere you want, it's the eventual consequences of posting the code as dictated by previous experiences. There's no reason for us to invite harsh consequences by going to such extremes. Besides, what most folks were really doing was basically anonymously shouting the code from random rooftops. If they really thought they were fighting for their rights and not hiding behind DIGG, they should have bought a domain, posted the code and posted that on DIGG so that they were the ones taking the hit, not Kevin Rose and his team.
Only bad can come from this for DIGG. - maninifish, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4And the 09 f9 11 02 9d 74 e3 5b d8 41 56 c5 63 56 88 c0 Tattoo arrives..
http://modblog.bmezine.com/2007/05/03/takedown-this/ - tsbardella, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5DEFB2C7C32D7C9E18F1B6E58B20993357D2B3390=Reservior Dogs
Blue-ray key
This is the last of the movies worth owning - and ripping to various devices around the house and car even this movie is much better seen on VHS because of the body fluids detail tends to spoil some movies... - podpeople1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4> Yeah, they totally characterized us as pirates.
Muslix64 / Roger Strong, the guy who discovered the key, had good non-piracy reasons for doing so. He paid for an HD-DVD system and HD-DVD movies, but the the DRM crap wouldn't let him play them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Advanced_Access_Content_System&oldid=108655339 -
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