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- drakethegreat, on 10/17/2007, -4/+85Did I mention that if you download the pirated version online that you don't have to do any of this and its available in highdef?
- apothekari, on 10/17/2007, -0/+63This kind of mindless stupidity is why people are moving away from DVD HDDVD &Bluray into the realm of the pirate.
WHY?
Because when a consumer puts in a pirate disc there IS no ***** it just works!
The **AA continues this folly at their peril. - Scorp888, on 10/17/2007, -6/+58So you take the disk back to the store you bought if from, and say this doesn't work.
If bd+ means lots of returns, it won't be a commercial success.
Easy - OddTSi, on 10/17/2007, -4/+49I was surprised to find out that Blu-Ray players don't require an ethernet jack yet they require firmware updates. So you have to download it on a CD-R and install it that way. What a giant PITA!
I would NEVER put up with something like that on a standalone movie player. Just imagine what'll happen when hackers start breaking BD+ and there are regular updates. - sio2man, on 10/17/2007, -4/+48They won't let you return it after it is opened. You have to go through he hassle of contacting the company that released the disc and make a case. I agree with cGt2099: ***** the **AA!
- super8pictures, on 10/17/2007, -3/+46Sony - you really need to stop this digital cold war - there is no winner in this game.
- Double0Doug, on 10/17/2007, -2/+42I completely agree.
You and your lady friend are having a nice meal out at McDonalds and on your way out you stop by the big red box thing… You look over and notice that they are now renting Blue Ray versions of the newest release for only a buck!!
You grab the first chick flick that pops up and run home, cause you know where this is heading… Romantic dinner, romantic movie, romantic nerd sex… But when you get home, you pop in the movie only to find out that you can’t play it because your player lacks the necessary firmware updates.
You jump online and get to the manufactures website and search for the necessary updates, but to your dismay only a beta firmware update is available. Now you have to decide if the risk is worth the reward. You look over at your lady friend and all is lost.
You swing into action, downloading the update to a CD-R. After 2 timeouts and 13 coasters you finally have it. You carefully read the update instructions. First you have to put the disc into the player, but the player needs to boot to the disc so you have unplug the player before it spins up. When you plug it in, you have to enter in a specific key sequence to engage the firmware upgrade. You go. Now the sequence: up, up, down, down, left, right, Left, right, b, a, b, a, start. The sequence looks familiar somehow, your thumbs know just what to do… then you realize you don’t know where the A key is… Heart pounding your pick up the remote and look for the A key, but it is no where to be found.
To your horror you look up at the TV only to see that time is out; a flashing blue screen accusing you of attempting to circumvent the players DRM. You are now a felon under the rules for the DMCA. You go to jail for a long, long time… Your crime? Trying to get a piece of that good nerd lovin’.
It is a bleak future guys. - Gndoab, on 10/17/2007, -0/+35MPAA Exec: So what is the next step in keeping our content secure?
DRM Creator: Our new DRM scheme is the ultimate in DRM. We will make your content so secure that the consumer can't watch the disc they have just paid for!
MPAA Exec: (intelligible, drooling from the mouth, apparently having an orgasm) - CraigJ, on 10/17/2007, -1/+36So basically, ***** you consumers.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+35 Thst's right,sell the public something that does not work and watch what happens.
- Cyber_Akuma, on 10/10/2007, -0/+28Its become a sad world when the pirated version of a media is more valuable and easier to use than the official version.
- TieDNKnotZ, on 10/17/2007, -1/+25What if my parents who are 50+ go out and buy a new HDTV and a Blu-Ray player to go along with it? You think they are going to know how to download an ISO and burn an image to a CD-R.
F$CK the *AA - dualaudi, on 10/17/2007, -6/+30Unfortunately this is where sony will slowly kill off the Awesomeness that is Blue-Ray Disc. I am not a fan of HDVD, but if they have fewer snags with players, i'm sure they will become the winner...
- adml_shake, on 10/17/2007, -0/+23This is why I refuse to support either side, I will not support a device that was basically built for no other reason then to support DRM.
- ibeetle, on 10/10/2007, -9/+31It becomes the number one video game console in the U.S.
- CraigJ, on 10/10/2007, -2/+24Digg needs a suicide button.
- Cyber_Akuma, on 10/17/2007, -7/+29"If it was up to sony, they wouldn't be doing this layer at all"
Betamax vs VHS - IIRC only Sony and approved by Sony could make tapes/players
Minidisk vs... a bunch of stuff - Sony only
Memorystick vs XD/SD/CF - Mostly only Sony devices use it, Sony Sandisk and Lexar are the only ones I know of that can create official memorysticks.
UMD vs DVD - Ummmm, yeah. No details needed.
Propriety Propriety Propriety, that basically describes Sony media in the past. Look how hard they are trying to use the PS3 to push Blu-Ray. - chedabob, on 10/17/2007, -1/+23The irony is, a lot of Blu-ray rips are WMV, encoded to work on Xbox 360.
- Cyber_Akuma, on 10/10/2007, -2/+22And hope you didn't screw up at some point or the power somehow gets interrupted half way otherwise you will have a brick.
- MonsterChaOS, on 10/17/2007, -5/+25oh please! Don't defend Sony AKA the rootkit kings.
- andycr512, on 10/10/2007, -0/+19Sony BMG is -PART- of the RIAA...
- starbird, on 10/17/2007, -1/+20And this is why I am still not taking the high def disc dive. This is insane. I consider myself tech-savvy, and I won't go through this. They expect the average user to do this? Then again, they are assuming the average user knows/cares about the difference between HD-DVD and BluRay....
- Cyber_Akuma, on 10/17/2007, -1/+18Why hasen't someone done something about this stupid annoying no returns on open software thing yet? With broadband internet it has become a compeltely null and moot point.
- OddTSi, on 10/10/2007, -2/+17It has everything to do with it. If you want to get that movie to play on your Blu-Ray player you have to install a new firmware (which isn't even available yet). And the only way to install that firmware is to burn it on a CD-R and pop it into the player and go through the prompts.
- trogdoor, on 10/10/2007, -0/+14No, you are allowed to returned unopened movies, and you are allowed to trade opened movies for unopened movies. Connect the dots.
- chris4404, on 10/10/2007, -5/+19This also comes from the fact Blu-Ray was launched without being finished. Current devices support current standards so it shouldn't be a huge shocker older devices are having problems reading these newer discs.
- Double0Doug, on 10/10/2007, -2/+16I disagree. I have returned opened movies to Wal-Mart* on several occasions. Don’t ask for a refund, ask for a replacement copy. Then repeat.
Wal-Mart will then return the disc to the manufacturer as defective. The manufacturer will reimburse Wal-Mart for the product and there will be one less on the market.
If I recall correctly, the original release of Disney’s Black Hole had audio tracking problems. Disney eventually issued a recall/replacement program in no small part because of consumer returns.
*Wal-Mart, Best Buy, Circuit City, name your own retailer. - thejokell, on 10/10/2007, -1/+15HD DVD has no region coding. You fail.
- Insurgo, on 10/10/2007, -1/+15Uh. No. HD DVD is region free.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HD_DVD - thejokell, on 10/10/2007, -0/+14But Nintendo only has to support a single console. Many manufacturers make Blu-Ray players, and those manufacturers make different models. You'd want the movies to include *all* new firmware upgrades? And then, what if something went wrong? Whose fault would it be? The manufacturer for the firmware that hosed your player or the movie studio for including the firmware that hosed your player?
No, if they had any sense they would've finalized a spec *BEFORE* releasing anything commercially. Blu-Ray may have a technical advantage but they completely fail in this regard. - Jerky1312, on 10/17/2007, -0/+14When are people going to learn to stop supporting Sony?
- dorianh49, on 10/10/2007, -4/+17They'll let you exchange it. If the store has to RMA hundreds of the same disc, that should make a statement.
- airwalkery2k, on 10/17/2007, -0/+13This is great news. Drag the average consumer even deeper into this war, which is really the consumer versus the content provider. Increase the pressure to stop all this nonsense. First you couldn't put your DVD movie on your iPod (legally), and now you can't even watch a movie.
- scabbers, on 10/17/2007, -0/+13Early adopter = bulk lube purchaser.
- rmxz, on 10/17/2007, -8/+21All I can say to people who whine about this is: "GOOD. The people who paid for this DRM stuff deserve it for their financial support of DRM".
They made a conscious decision to support a format to protect the copyright owners from non-approved devices playing the stuff; and if they bought a non-approved device, that's what they get. Oh - you say they thought they had an approved device? Perhaps they forgot to have someone review the source code to insure it met the spec - no doubt there are many in the F/OSS community who could have peer-reviewed it for them? What, now you tell me such code isn't available? Well, then, of course they should expect there to be bugs.
I have about as much sympathy for them as I have for the guy who buys an awsum Rolex from the guy on the street corner. - sofaKing812, on 10/10/2007, -2/+15Romantic dinner = McDonalds? I feel sorry for your significant other.
- chedabob, on 10/10/2007, -1/+14Not everyone has broadband.
Besides, sometimes it is actually quicker to walk to the store, buy something, copy it, and take it back. - Tarnum, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1309-f9-11-02-9d-74-e3-5b-d8-41-56-c5-63 is to blame!
- dorianh49, on 10/17/2007, -3/+15No. When do you plan on telling the rest of us?
- NinjaBoy, on 10/17/2007, -0/+11* + DRM = boo!
- Cyber_Akuma, on 10/17/2007, -4/+15Happened to DRM'ED CDs, happened to DRM'ED DVDs, I am not surprised it's happening to DRM'ED Blu-Ray disks.
DRM will probably still be here 10 years from now when they reveal Purple-Ray, and 2 years later it will also have problems with DRM being incompatible in 1st gen players. - FredFredrickson, on 10/24/2007, -2/+13I'll be content when Blue-Ray finally goes all UMD on us. HD-DVD is worthless too.
- pigfister, on 10/10/2007, -1/+11well its sony and their anti consumer drm formats you have to blame for this, as they are the ones that lobbied the industry with their new drm that would allow as 3rd lv countermeasures the ability to insert any code the studios wanted to use.
BD+ reports usage data back to the studios of the films watched, your ip and the unique serial number of your blu-ray player. the lack of bd+ is why fox hasn't released any films in hi def format as they were waiting for the cripple ware to arrive. BD+ also has the ability to permanently shut down your player if it is running a hack such as a multi region code under lv3 countermeasures turning your $600 machine to an expensive book end.
what fox vp said though was pure class scumbag, don't complain to us or demand a refund its you players not our discs!
http://www.betanews.com/article/New_Bluray_Feature ...
quote >>> In a statement yesterday to Video Business, Fox' senior VP of communications, Steve Feldstein, acknowledged the issue but said the solution rests with the hardware manufacturers. Feldstein urged that console owners lobby those companies, implying some kind of mass movement. - strictnein, on 10/10/2007, -0/+10No it hasn't.
Most people are not tech savvy enough to download a game, mount the image (or burn the disc), install, and then crack/keygen.
Everyone is smart enough to go to a retailer with a long return policy (90 days at Target for example), play the game for 80 days, return it, buy a new one (or the same one), and repeat. - MikeFromAmerica, on 10/10/2007, -0/+10When legitimately purchased discs fail to work, I think the average consumer will start to catch on pretty quick.
- inactive, on 10/17/2007, -1/+11What if you have no internet? does sony plan on having everyone download a file and burn an iso to a cd-r ? This can't be the answer, do they plan to snail mailing you a disc to fix it every time?
I have an HDDVD player with the xbox 360, im happy with it and ive had no issues - inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+10It's even worse when the official version doesn't work because of the pirated version.
The legit copy get a copy protection, which is defeated by pirates, so a new copy protection is implemented and prevents the media to work, even if everyone knows (including the protection vendor) knows that pirate will just bypass it and release a copy without all the crap.
And we start the cycle again. Ridiculous - hexydes, on 10/10/2007, -1/+11You have moved into a dark place.
It is pitch black. You are likely to be eaten by a grue. - strictnein, on 10/10/2007, -0/+9Is region 7 Antarctica?
- subliminalurge, on 10/10/2007, -1/+10No need to burn it to a disc. Just set up a HTPC and play the movie directly from a hard drive.
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