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- BornSlacker, on 07/23/2008, -1/+63Will it stop piracy? Doubtful. Will it force some people away from the major ISP's who have signed up to this? Almost definitely.
- crashlock, on 07/24/2008, -1/+40If your using one of these ISPs - JUST LEAVE THEM - Move to one that has not agreed to this plan. The Internet should remain neutral, and should NOT be monitored full stop.
- BuzzLightyear, on 07/24/2008, -0/+27Great, now I have a list of ISPs NOT to sign up with:
BT, Virgin, Orange, Tiscali, BSkyB and Carphone Warehouse. - Lateralis1, on 07/24/2008, -0/+22If anyone gets a letter transfer as soon as you can to Bethere.co.uk They're by far the best ISP in the UK; they turn a blind eye to all downloading and their unlimited usage is truly unlimited. No traffic shaping whatsoever.
- TheUKDigger, on 07/24/2008, -2/+21To reduce piracy in the UK, the industry needs to bring down the ridiculous music and video prices in this country and drop all the DRM. There needs to be cheap, DRM-free music stores available for UK customers, of which there are currently none.
- BambinosKrib, on 07/24/2008, -0/+18Switch to Be Broadband. Best UK ISP!
The following was posted on their internal members forums by a staff member.
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Hi,
Currently, we are not participating in this campaign.
If we will be changing our policy, it will be announced.
Regards,
Dimo
--------------------------------- - JKevolution, on 07/24/2008, -3/+18I guess this will be another blow towards net neutrality, if traffic shaping and monitoring isn't enough already. I heard that the '3 strikes' law passed already early last month in the amendments of some EU telecoms legislation. Thank you French EU presidency /Sarcasm.
- BambinosKrib, on 07/24/2008, -0/+14Update:
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Hi all
Please see below an update from us regarding copyright infringement:
As Be* grows we are getting an increasing number of requests from 3rd parties for information about members who they believe have infringed their copyright or other intellectual property rights. We want to make it clear to our members how Be* deals with these requests.
Where a content owner (like a record label or a games company) approaches Be and requests the details of a member because of an alleged copyright infringement we will not supply this information direct to the requester unless they have a Court Order. To keep members informed of what’s going on in most circumstances we will try to contact the member in question to make them aware that we have had a request from the rights holder.
Under circumstances when a Court Order is served on Be, which requires us to supply information about member activity, we will comply with the Order and pass the relevant contact information to the rights holder (and in accordance with our Privacy and cookie policy). In this case under most circumstance we will not inform the member that this has occurred as this may compromise the investigation related to the Court Order.
Louise Kirlew
Head of Member Services
Happy to Help!
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - bcstereotype, on 07/24/2008, -0/+12Agreed - but what right does the BPI have to monitor my activities?
- stuff_ign, on 07/24/2008, -1/+13It's sad that the focus is on file-sharing rather than child pornography and terrorism.
***** THE BPI! - inactive, on 07/24/2008, -2/+14I think some people are missing the point.
The ISPs will not be monitoring you - they will be responding to reports that you downloaded illegal content from the BPI. - inactive, on 07/24/2008, -1/+13I think it will stop a lot of the 'casual' file sharing that goes on - kids that get the latest number ones from limewire or wherever. If mum and dad get a nasty letter about it you can bet they'll do something about it rather than move isp!
- TheUKDigger, on 07/24/2008, -1/+11Virgin the best? They are one of the worst - traffic shaping and bandwidth capping at peak times for their so-called "unlimited" deal, spying on customers without their consent with Phorm and now bunking up with the BPI music industry and threatening their own customers - ***** them!
- renesisx, on 07/24/2008, -0/+10Copyright is dead. The record labels are just trying to squeeze the last few pence out of their gig before they shuffle off to die.
No-one will stop the piracy, so it should be embraced and a new business model thought up. Copyright only "worked" while it was difficult and lossy to copy a work. Now that it is essentially lossless and easy, copyright is unenforceable.
In the future, artists and film-makers will still be paid for their work, but it will be the fans paying them up front to make it, and then it will be distributed to all for free. It's the only workable model. For the rest of their income they need to survive on things that can't be copied, like the experience of seeing a band in person. - btschul, on 07/24/2008, -1/+11You can't stop piracy. By trying, you are wasting money and driving away customers.
- kravex, on 07/24/2008, -0/+10www.play.com have been doing legal DRM-free mp3's for some time.
- lewispb, on 07/24/2008, -0/+9"BT, Virgin, Orange, Tiscali, BSkyB and Carphone Warehouse have all signed up."
Carphone Warehouse owns TalkTalk. - TheSnuffster, on 07/24/2008, -1/+9A legal, monthly subscription-based, torrent tracker run by ISPs or record labels would be great.
Come on Virgin, make it so ;) - bcstereotype, on 07/24/2008, -0/+7Well, assuming those ISPs finalize deals and sign-up for this, I'm going to stay the hell away from them - not so much for file-sharing, but rather the implication that there is publicly-sanctioned spying on my browsing (while I acknowledge that quite a few organizations are probably spying on what we do anyway)
- borez, on 07/24/2008, -0/+6I love Be*, I can't fault them, they know what we want, how we want it and provide exactly that at a speed of virtually double anybody else in the ISP market.
- borez, on 07/24/2008, -0/+6Agreed, I've been seeding torrents at an average rate of 110kb/s and downloading at a max speed 1.4Mb/s for three years now, and I've never ( apart from one or two maintenance outages ) seen that rate drop off.
- hojumoju, on 07/24/2008, -1/+7Oh GOD no Orange, please don't SEND ME A LETTER!
- borez, on 07/24/2008, -4/+9The British government, who are currently sitting in power against the wishes of the British people because they don't have the balls to call a general election, can quite frankly go ***** itself.
Bending over for major record record companies who've basically been rapping the public and their own artists for years, I mean... really. - fivo7, on 07/24/2008, -1/+6UK's biggest net providers - advertising piracy to the world
- pauls88, on 07/24/2008, -1/+6yo ho ho and a bottle of......aww s**t
- roodammy44, on 07/24/2008, -1/+6There are tons of other ISPs in the UK.
Here's a clue: Go to google, type "UK ISP".
Have fun. - borez, on 07/24/2008, -0/+5Switch to BeThere mate, the problems just vanish.
- darkcompass, on 07/24/2008, -0/+5With so much mp3 torrent traffic going on, one mistake will bring this house of cards down. Isohunt now have torrents for all of Jamendos catalogue, over 10,000 albums. The BPI are destined to fail, not just because of the illedgal downloading, but the risk that they might catch someone who is sharing legal content. They are tarring everyone with the same brush.
- roodammy44, on 07/24/2008, -0/+5I'm a very happy customer of theirs.
Best ISP in the UK by a long long way. - btschul, on 07/24/2008, -0/+4Ummm...I'm on about this article about the UK govt. negotiating a deal between the 6 largest uk telecom providers to try in vain to prevent piracy online and how it will fail because you can't stop piracy, it will just be a waste of the telecom's money and it will drive away customers who use their connection for filesharing. I thought that was pretty obvious.
- pandaking, on 07/24/2008, -0/+4Would be good if someone wrote a list of alternative ISP's which have not signed up for this...
- anonymous1986, on 07/24/2008, -1/+5Yeah only problem is that their music collection is almost non-existent. However i buy all my stuff from there since they are slightly cheaper and as u said non-drm
- TheUKDigger, on 07/24/2008, -0/+4So what can we do to avoid receiving these letters? Of course, stopping downloading is not a good option.
- khatarnaak, on 07/24/2008, -0/+4Actually TalkTalk is part of Carphone Warehouse which is a signatory to this new scheme.
- elfguy, on 07/24/2008, -1/+5For all the people saying switch ISP, since BT signed, don't most smaller ISPs simply resell DSL lines from BT? if so, won't your traffic still be monitored when it leaves your small ISP and gets on the BT network?
- lewispb, on 07/24/2008, -1/+5I feel really let down by all the of UK ISP's. On the other hand I understand the reasons why.
ISP's look at their traffic data and can see by far the largest usage of data is P2P. They pay per GB and so if they can reduce P2P they make more money. Simple as.
This whole story is about greed, those with much who want more. - ccaazz, on 07/24/2008, -0/+4so, whats this im reading about "filtering the internet" - does this mean that we, in the UK, are about to become like China, where our internet is filtered by the government? its not a step in the right direction.
- ogallivanslist, on 07/24/2008, -1/+4Bring it on!!!
patronizing *****
The music industry isn't going to end because sum rich people are loosing less then 1 billion pounds despite, what they would have you believe . I my self do not use p2p such as limewire (Any more) i think its old technology and has been infected by allot of fake files. Torrents are far more efficient for downloading. i am not going to stop downloading if BT threaten to slow down my Internet if they do then i will instantly switch isp's i thought in other country's that was illegal any way !?/! . as soon as i get there warning letter through the door im just going to send it straight back .
they are going to loose this battle
p.s sorry for the rant people this ***** just makes me angry. - Definition, on 07/24/2008, -1/+4Guys, go for independent non-monopolistic ISPs.
Most big ISPs are sellouts to organizations like the RIAA - MadceltUK, on 07/24/2008, -0/+3Be have just unbundled my exchange and as I am currently on BSkyB I may have to think about changing soon given this issue.
Shame, cos I currently only pay £10 aper month for an 11mb connection that isn't traffic shaped and has unlimited usage. - bcstereotype, on 07/24/2008, -1/+4Touche. :)
I think my intended angle was that they'd be checking those who were 'innocent' and 'guilty' alike and that's my concern. Just cause the police think that some feller's guilty of something, they can't do anything about it unless they can provide some evidence (in a normal democratic state). So who gives the BPI the right to play that role? - Theguywhoknows, on 07/24/2008, -0/+3I'm dead serious about this whole idea going away. Give me a legal p2p option and I'll jump straight on it, but at this point I don't see one of those. Also goodbye TISCALI
- SeaICIubber, on 07/24/2008, -0/+3Check what ISPs are available from your telephone exchange using
www.samknows.com
and then choose one that uses LLU (Local Loop Unbundling) which doesn't use BT equipment.
O2 (and it's subsidiary Be*) haven't signed up to this crap and leave you alone so far.
I'm with Be* and they're really good imo.
If you do change ISP let them know why you're leaving. You don't have to say ohh because I'm a pirate, say you don't agree with their snooping and consider it against net neutrality - aliguana, on 07/24/2008, -0/+3*runs away screaming from the small envelope on the floor by the front door screaming "anthrax!!!"*
Apparently, although ISPs have agreed to send out THE LETTER, they aren't actually willing to cut anyone off. So erm.... waste of a stamp? It would be far more effective if they just phoned you up and said "look, the BPI are onto you, stop downloading for a while" or something. Then they are complying with the govt/BPI, and looking after their customers at the same time. win/win - PopcornDave, on 07/24/2008, -0/+3They really don't unless they have evidence that you've committed a crime. So they're basically saying you're a criminal right off the bat and they need to prove it. ***** 'em.
- DeFex, on 07/24/2008, -0/+3not to mention 5 million cameras spying on you.
arrested for taking a picture of your own child.
chavs run amuck
and so on. i mean Americans are getting a bit fascist as well, but it looks like Britain is way ahead. - Elohir, on 07/24/2008, -0/+3Just checked out their website, looks cracking. Especially compared to my current ISP Tiscali and their 'no usage after 6pm' rule.
- tonks01, on 07/24/2008, -0/+2yep agree to this be/o2 all the way
- SeaICIubber, on 07/24/2008, -0/+2Yes but so far as I'm aware it's just the copper wire into their own equipment in the exchange. Yes you'll have to pay BT line rental but BT won't be snooping.
nB O2 now owns BeThere so sign with either or keep an eye out in case O2 signs up for this crap - iJessicaRabbit, on 07/24/2008, -0/+2I hope you're right and these antics crash and burn soon. I'm getting so sick of this crap and trying to find work-arounds.
Maybe music can be about the love of making music instead of the love of making a ridiculous amount of money again. -
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