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- TomFrost, on 10/12/2007, -1/+22That's not irony, that's hypocracy :)
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13The usual culprits in china and the middle east, but going by the list it seems that telcos everywhere have a problem with voip! a little off track but there is a thought that tesla had devised a method to generate electricity and distribute it for free, and also that edison (dc current) beat tesla (ac current) in the popularity rankings through sheer marketing, there's a relationship between these situations i feel.
- Hegemony, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11I worked for Clearwire while I was in college. They're not a company you want to deal with. In addition to Vondage they also block iChat for some reason.
- geronimo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12People keep saying, "Why regulate with net neutrality, ISPs haven't done anything bad yet."
Actually, they have:
# Clearwire, USA
In 2005 reports started to filter through that Clearwire, an ISP based in WA, were blocking subscribers to Vonage. Shortly after Clearwire began blocking calls, Vonage came up with a solution where they changed the SIP port number. Ironically Clearwire now run their own internet phone service that offers similar functionality to Vonage. At the time of the blocking there were reports that Clearwire were blocking Vonage in order to pave the way for a Clearwire VoIP service.
# Madison RiverMadison River, USA
Around the same time that Clearwire were blocking Vonage, reports started to come through that Madison River were also involved in blocking VoIP calls made by their subscribers. After a user revolt the Mebane, North Carolina ISP was forced to cease blocking VoIP calls by the FCC who also issued them with a $15,000 fine for inhibiting consumer choice. The fine, issued in March 2005, prohibits Madison River from blocking any VoIP calls for 30 months until September 2007. Interestingly Madison River are now offering VoIP services directly to customers. - grumpyrain, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7"What's ironic is that these ISP's probably use VoIP for their phones and stuff."
No, it would be ironic if the ISPs used VoIP internally, lobbied their respective governments for a ban, the ban came into force effectively shutting down internal comms at the ISP. - XxXoldsaltXxX, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Common corporate *****.
Someone comes up with a brilliant, cheaper way to perform an everyday function, and companies hate it simply because its better than what they have. - punkrockscks, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5As someone whose had Clearwire for a year now, I can say that they are the single worst ISP I've ever dealt with. I'm stuck with them till next November because I apparently signed a contract (it was never presented as such to myself) that I'd be locked in for two years (no one told me this either). They "manage" (as the support rep put it) most everything but http. I love how they say "manage" like their doing me a service or something.
Seriously, stay away from them like the plague. - Hamsterpotpies, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Can you hear me now?
- Pix869, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7That's *****.
My fist is about to ban someone's face over there.
Greedy bastards. - cozmoz365, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4In some countries you pay the phone company to have your adsl line so they get your line rental either way.
- ferrco, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3***** Telmex and their monopolistic practices
- InvisionUK, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I'm loving the typo on "Brasil Telecom".
Basil Telecom. Makes you think of Fawlty Towers doesn't it?
Cybill: "Basil! Stop blocking their VoIP!" - geronimo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Currently it is but AT&T et al want to change that hence the need to codify into law openness at the cable/DSL level.
- weekender, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3http://www.duggmirror.com
- hjc455, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Koreas going to start blocking in June, forcing service members there to use korean companies.
- Whackly, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Clearwire didn't block anything. At least not specifically any one thing. They block everything by using some of the most aggressive packet shapers in the world.
- 13thfloor, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I'm surprised HughesNet isn't on the list. But then again, their satellite service sucks too badly for anyone to bother trying...
- avalenci, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Inaccurate ,at least for Telmex in Mexico. Every week I use to have a conference with skype and/or yahoo voice. I really don't like the company(expensive monopoly) but in this topic they are not blocking in my experience.
- ISurfTooMuch, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2It's not just about ports. These ISPs install packet-shaping software that inspects the data coming out of and going into your connection to see if it looks like VoIP, regardless of the port. If it finds packets it thinks are VoIP packets, it either deprioritizes them to degrade the connection, or it simply drops them completely.
And for those who think net neutrality has nothing to do with this, you're mistaken. If an ISP wants to give its own VoIP service an edge, it just degrades the packets coming from its competitors. It can either block these services completely or just degrade them so people think they're unreliable and make its own service look like a better performer. - coxon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I have a friend worked for Shaw Cable in Canada and he personally had to block ports used by VOIP when their customers tried to use Vonage VOIP.
Shaw sells their own "home phone" service. They also have software installed that gives less priority to users who use Bit Torrent. - Hegemony, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Actually it does. Part of net neutrality is allowing customers to use the hardware and protocols they want to. Blocking VoIP traffic or the use of third party VoIP hardware (like Vondage) is an issue for net neutrality.
- SystmBetatester, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2i am sure something along those lines will happen. some bittorrent clients are supposedly able to encrypt those big ass files.
- NomenNescio, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I don't know much about this stuff, but can't this be encrypted?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I'd feel worse for Vonage if I hadn't see this
http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2007/biz2/0701/gallery.101dumbest_2007/14.html
Nailed for screwing its own customers over - httpgeek, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Hey, these guys are like the RIAA they feel technology is hurting business, they will use the technology for their own uses. But say no for us to use it. These guys will fall just like the RIAA is falling. Word to the wise embrace the technology like Kodak did when digital cameras came out.
- geekee, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Note that blocking VoIP is already illegal in the US. No net neutrality legislation is needed for this problem.
FTA
"After a user revolt the Mebane, North Carolina ISP was forced to cease blocking VoIP calls by the FCC who also issued them with a $15,000 fine for inhibiting consumer choice." - blogspinner, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2so it isn't just third world countries then
- SirZRX, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1i live in mexico and i really hate all companies, Telmex, megared, telcel, movistar and i can go on i pay 40 usd for 1024/128 kbps whit telmex, i pay 80 usd average for 400mins, 30 messages and 20 long distance minutes.
- TonyCubed, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3What's ironic is that these ISP's probably use VoIP for their phones and stuff.
- XSforMe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@w0rd
No, sad to disappoint you. I am employed by Telmex or have any financial interest in the company.
I have tried several high speed carriers, and have found their ADSL give the best bang for the buck. Then again, if you can point me to any other carrier which provides a real connection (1Gbps or more, low latency, public IP address); Ill be happy to look into it. - atb12688, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Clearwire is not a major isp so in my mind, they have not done anything yet. Believe it or not, many of the major ones have taken actions to protect their customers in court or otherwise. Lets see a major company do something major to disrupt users before we do anything drastic. They are on the opposite side of the aisle of the RIAA and the MPAA...
- Doomhammer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Heh, that's cute, ISPs. You know what will happen now? People will just encrypt their VoIP traffic (ala BitTorrent).
- w0rd, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2@ XSforMe
Could you sound any more like an employee of Telmex? - mousky, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Be careful with what you say in here - you may upset the sheep. Some supporters of net neutrality would have us believe that there is a crisis. Yet, the two examples cited in the post were handled by the FCC and a customer revolt. Where is the crisis?
- Zanneth, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1God forbid that consumers get what they want!
- KnightMareInc, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2but but net neutrality is a solution for a problem that doesnt exist!
- w0rd, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Digg needs to employ the nofollow tag/class/whatever that Wikipedia is using so spam like this will stop. Then maybe these douchebags will stop hiring a room full of guys in India/Jamaica/Philippines/(Insert 3rd world country) to post this crap on here.
- monergism, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Include Skype there. They ban US accounts overseas.
- Ryosen, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1It's interesting to note that the very first comment posted on that blog is from an anti-NetNeutrality industry wag, amusingly referring to himself as "Handsoff" (as in www.handsoff.org). Much like geekee above, he makes the case that the two US-based ISPs were sanctioned by the FCC and that laws currently exist to prevent ISP abuse. But isn't this protection the same thing that the anti-NetNeutrality crowd is working to abolish?
- thunderer, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I've heard that AIM video conferencing is blocked in the UAE as well. Can anyone confirm this?
- charlieobregon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I lived in Mexico and am a first hand witness about the abusive practices by Telmex. But the good news is that Voip is here to stay, they can only block progress temporarily!!
- monkbot1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0good thing, GWB has done a great job spreading freedom and democracy throughout the world so we don't have to tollerate this crap, oh no, wait a second I was dreaming again. Ooopps
- f420, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0VoIP? why not try MoIP!! Mobile over IP!!
http://www.businesshackers.com/2006/09/25/a-new-great-way-to-make-cheap-phone-calls/ - JagFel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Can't say I'm surprised, telcoms in general tend to pull whatever they can to lock people in. My father has worked for Verizon Wireless since it was Bell Atlantic Mobile, and the stories he has of the stuff both the land line and wireless companies do to stifle competition are incredible.
- jeremycobert, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1This is completely Shocking !!!
who knew Mexico had the internet ? donkey shows,cheap prescription drugs...
Check, but an actual ISP with a connection to the internet..... come on - poolmanjim, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Most of these are 3rd world companies or companies from contries with socialistic governments. Any company doing this in a typical "western" country would be getting nailed with a big fine, as many have.
The thing is VoIP will revolutionize the telecommunications world when it really gets on the mainstream boat. From a Telecommunications perspective it rocks and from a business perspective it will definately save more money eventually. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1shamed? OH SHI- our names are on the internet, lets change policies because a bunch of whiny kids who don't even use us say we should
- nevesis, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Drafting legislation which doesn't specifically ban this behavior will mean that the FCC will no longer fine for it.
Net neutrality isn't additional regulation, it's the status quo.
Get it now? - coldfu5ion, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0The company that owns the telephone lines in New Zealand also controls broadband, limiting most plans to 128k up. Trying to use VOIP and anything else is pretty useless here, so it may as well be banned. But the local loop is being un-bundled this year, take that Mexico!
- XSforMe, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1While Telmex does have some monopolistic practices I can say it is their infrastructure is quite good and their billing is reasonable. Furthermore, I have been using Skype and Net2phone for long now, and have never had problems with them when making or receiving incoming calls.
If you are not happy with Telmex, go and try one of the other alternatives out there. -
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