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- N0vak4iN, on 02/05/2008, -3/+74does anyone actually own an Ageia card?? was under the impression these didn't really take off..
- Daz_Genetic, on 02/05/2008, -0/+54The cards didn't really take off, but the physics engine itself has been very successful. It's been used in well over a hundred games (mostly console). The engine is clever in that it can run as a generic physics engine from the CPU, but can then also be hardware accelerated to allow for much more physics calculations per second.
My guess is that Nvidia will either write drivers to allow for the GPU to accelerate the PhysX engine (the vector calculations are very similar), or they will include a dedicated PPU on their higher end cards. - sockpuppets, on 02/05/2008, -3/+25My guess it's a patent grab, not much else.
- ALaughingMan, on 02/05/2008, -1/+19I've actually know a few people who have purchased one and said that they were 'cool' but couldn't really see a HUGE difference, but then again, they were running dual/quad core with XP, 4 gigs of ddr2 667 and twin 7950GT's... so I wouldn't imagine there would be a whole lot of difference.
- h4mx0r, on 02/05/2008, -1/+17This is great news I suppose. What I want to see is that AGEIA's PhysX placed onto every card one day. The thing is, I usually go for mid-range cards anyways, or high-range of the last generation. It's also really annoying to look at the PhysX software get installed but being unable to use it, yet I'm not going to get a high-end just to use it. I've seen what useful applications it can have, it's just as much as a gimmick now as simply buying a high end card for high end performance.
- Keloran, on 02/05/2008, -0/+15of course digg is behind, it will always be behind,
digg is a collection of links, and comments, it doesnt do any reporting itself
the instant digg is ahead of an actual news site, the world will collape in on itself, due to the fabric of time being erroded - Aaronraw, on 02/05/2008, -1/+12And I once had a band, people thought we were awesome, or they hated us...or they thought we were alright.
- Spuy767, on 02/05/2008, -1/+11Look for nvidia to put the ageia chip on its higher end video cards, then you'll see the tech actually picked up by developers.
- shaka999, on 02/05/2008, -0/+10There has been a lot of talk about running the physics on the GPU. A product will come out of this.
- Lane, on 02/05/2008, -4/+14It will be a great day for gaming when Nvidia comes out with physics calculations on a graphics card. Hope it will be a new driver though and not a need to replace the current card.
- Spuy767, on 02/05/2008, -0/+9Exactly why we need a company to make a sort of unified standard. The moment we cna get the GPU and PPU to talk to one another regarding collision events etc is the day that physics makes me a happy gamer.
- Spuy767, on 02/05/2008, -0/+9AMD bought ATi because AMD really needed some technology to close the gap with Intel. AMD apparenty felt that ATi had that technology. Unfortunately, it will take a few years to figure out if they were right.
- shaka999, on 02/05/2008, -2/+11I'm sure they could have kept at least two people employed servicing the Linux market.
- Keloran, on 02/05/2008, -0/+8well i guess my next card is an nVidia, i wonder which games will back, the "possibly" intel only HAVOK, or hte "possibly" nVidia only AGIEA
personally i always thought HAVOK was good, but it needed dedicated to really make it shine, then AGIEA came out, and i thought this should be perfect finally dedicated hardware to do the physics, and then no-one bothered supporting it.
maybe someone else will enter the market, with a software based one that can be better, and bridge the gap between all of them - sinatosk, on 02/05/2008, -1/+8they probably just get ageia to write their physics engine in CUDA :p
and no my name is not CUDA so click the link if you don't know what CUDA is...
CUDA - http://www.nvidia.com/object/cuda_learn.html - akkibaba, on 02/05/2008, -1/+8I either read your comment, or I didn't.
- wankelrotary, on 02/05/2008, -1/+8I saw this one guy post on a forum once saying he had one. So clearly, they're popular.
- HueytheFreeman, on 02/05/2008, -1/+8Left?
- Scrappy1850, on 02/05/2008, -0/+6do they have to ask your permission before they use the bathroom too? and crysis doesnt look like any console port i have ever seen.
- shaka999, on 02/05/2008, -1/+6Which is why AMD bought ATI. Its a great idea but the ATI/AMD merger hasn't really worked out from what I've heard.
- Spuy767, on 02/05/2008, -0/+5Because most games just offload the physics calcs to the second core since the graphics engine is usually only running on one.
- thugok, on 02/05/2008, -1/+5It will definitely have an effect.
- mashw, on 02/05/2008, -0/+4Yeh but I can barely fit these damn cards in my case as it is, that's my only genuine concern with all this convergence.
- UtopiaInTheSky, on 02/05/2008, -1/+5Up?
- FredFredrickson, on 02/05/2008, -0/+4Personally, I'm glad the physics card thing didn't take off... I really wasn't looking forward to having to put another expensive card inside my PC just to enjoy games. Especially when the physics card wouldn't really do anything for me outside of games - at least a good graphics card can boost overall system performance, play videos, generate effects, etc.
- stalefries, on 02/06/2008, -0/+4You and everyone who posted above you.
- ChinezePanda, on 02/06/2008, -0/+3About a week ago I am playing WoW..
and some idiot in the guild im in.. around 300 people... WOULD NOT SHUTTUP about how a Physics card is so awesome, needed and is the next best thing since sliced bread...
where Here I am.. trying to explain to him.. that multi-core processing can handle physics rather well... as well as incorporating it directly into the GPU architecture.
Kid just wouldnt stop. called me a n00b.. and proceeded to tell me his gaming rig was infact a dell and I should go shove it with my Quad Core Q6600 sli 8800 rig. - shaka999, on 02/05/2008, -0/+3From what I read on am multi-core systems the speed up from the accelerator card was minimal.
- allenobendorf, on 02/05/2008, -1/+4Does this mean anything for NVIDIA stock?
- h4mx0r, on 02/06/2008, -1/+4Okay you primitive screwhead, listen up. If you're spending more than 400 dollars on a video card because you want "enough power" then you're an idiot who doesn't know how to research and shop smart. Shop S-mart!
- NikoKun, on 02/05/2008, -0/+3Good! They should be combinding physics cards INTO the graphics cards... I highly doubt the PC market could effectively support ANOTHER card that gamers would be forced to buy.
Right now, good graphics cards are the main piece of gamer hardware, most everything else is standard. It makes perfect sense to add the physics card into the graphics card... And then simply market it as an all around "Game Card" or something. - Scrappy1850, on 02/05/2008, -0/+3if it was cool, i would pay that much. pc gaming is for those who can afford it. in a high end rig the extra card won't be noticed, but it is too expensive to consider in a budget system because the money can be better spent on a higher end vid card.
- fak3r, on 02/05/2008, -0/+3We're having what for Dinner?
- contradictator, on 02/05/2008, -0/+2The article's been updated, looks like it wasn't just a rumor, nVidia officially announced it today.
- dosher199, on 02/06/2008, -0/+2ugh, i hope my dell doesn't turn me into someone like him.
- IndigoMoss, on 02/06/2008, -0/+28800GT is all I have to say. I bought a 2900Pro for $130 dollars and it's able to play Crysis on High 30fps @1280x720 with the Very High mod and Taowolf's awesome config. If I had a 8800GT, I could even push it higher than it already is. There's two type of people that buy the 8800Ultra's, enthusiasts and dumb asses that don't need them. I'm guessing you'd be part of the latter.
- Supernova36, on 02/05/2008, -3/+5Some sort of anti-aging face cream to come on the market soon then.
- IndigoMoss, on 02/06/2008, -0/+2That's definitely the case. There was a review on Digg a while back testing the Physx card on UT3. They said that it didn't do much and that the maps specifically designed for them barely worked and sucked really bad with clipping issues. That could just be on the software side, but hardware is useless without good software support.
- TheKidHenry1, on 02/06/2008, -0/+2AGEIA hardware is crap. You can do better on a GPU. NVIDIA wants the software and the patents.
- ortucis, on 02/05/2008, -0/+1THANKS GOD!
They were talking about integrating PhysX type chips (for driver) in their cards but aquiring Ageia means getting extra performance from future Ageia drivers.. for nVidia cards of course (seriously, the won't play nice with ATI cards after the acquisition :P). - Avocadoes, on 02/05/2008, -0/+1I hope standards get created soon, otherwise we'll have Intel, NVidia, and if this takes off, AMD all competing with incompatible approaches to physics processing.
- tumbler360, on 02/05/2008, -0/+1the reviews of the ageia cards seemed confident that we'd be seeing video/physics cards in teh near future and that this tech would be combined for an all in one card. I'd love ot see nvidia drop a combo card on the market.
- bdbElysian, on 02/06/2008, -0/+1No. I realized the potential of real-time physics for gaming but I never jump on anything new. I’m waiting to see how this plays out. I’ve read dozens of articles about PPU’s and how GPU’s and CPU’s might do that work instead. I’d never buy two video cards to have one perform physics duties so that was out of the question. I thought PPU’s could perform physics for games and assist the CPU when gaming is not happening.
Once I heard that CPU manufacturers were coming out with multi cores architectures I already knew physics would take off no ones business. Now I’m waiting to see what hardware will be running it. My bet is on the CPU manufacturers. Ageia can keep designing their physics software for game developers but the number crunching will be done by one or more cores of a multi-core CPU. - Jernej, on 02/05/2008, -2/+3The whole idea of PPUs is a bad one, with so many physics "standards" developers simply cannot support all these separate technologies, and if i am completely honest; most of physics engines like physix, havok, etc.. are based on completely fake laws of physics (hey, a physics engine where you have to tweak strange constants to work "right" and has "special" handling of stacked objects is worth a pile of poo in my opinion ). also, the cpus with multiple cores are these days making all these PPU or GPU physics ideas worthless.
- Simpson5774, on 02/05/2008, -0/+1I see this as being good for both companies, Nvidia has its own physics middleware company to stay ontop of intel with havocFX, and ageia can gain a wide base of games to tap into from nvidias "the way it was meant to be played" with development of games to be optimized for the nivida GPU and now for the ageia PPU.
I think the add in PPU card is a thing of the past however, ether the instructions will be integrated into future GPUs are the physX chip will be integrated directly to the board. - lengau, on 02/07/2008, -0/+1They would also probably have got some purchases from non-gaming areas. For example, there are several places that run Linux and do physics simulations that could probably have used the card.
- Gizza, on 02/06/2008, -0/+1Anyone else think that in 5 years or so that both dedicated physics chips and graphics chips will be obsolete? When we have 16+ core cpus doing all the physics calculations and ray tracing.
Either way though, this should still produce something pretty good. And any advancement on physics calculations that this brings about as it becomes more popular would undoubtedly be useful even when the actual processing is moved to the cpu. - Scrappy1850, on 02/05/2008, -0/+1wow, serious consequences!
- CarzorStelatis, on 02/06/2008, -1/+2Exactly. Any game which can't do impressive physics on a Core 2 Quad is pretty lazily programmed.
- daridave, on 02/05/2008, -1/+2I would rather see it integrate with nForce chipsets than with their GPU's. It would take off way faster that way, too, and it would really boost the value of their mobo's (not that they're not good already!). PPU ftw, but do it right!
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