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- RichPowers, on 10/12/2007, -3/+51Uh, since when was a private entity forced to recognize free speech? Furthermore, MySpace can block any service they want - it's their business.
- dipiddy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+35Those 14 year old girls are really cops. FYI
- diggapleaze, on 10/12/2007, -2/+35all the 14 year old girls reading digg right now are saying "OMG YOU MEAN TOM DIDN"T START IT?!!!!1111 WATEVAR!!!"
- marcusb, on 10/12/2007, -2/+22Agreed. It's like the case of Google being sued because someone thought they artificially lowered their ranking. Even if they did, who is to say they can't do that? Not the Bill of Rights.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+17The 1st says Congress shall make no law. Not "Companies have to let you do whatever you want."
- kingfoot, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12and prepubescent 10 y/o guys as well...
- Tenlow, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12Fox doesnt call themselves newscorp, they're owned by newscorp.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+15So why was Microsoft guilty if they can do whatever they want with their product?
- ICSU, on 10/12/2007, -5/+14He should be sued for crime against humanity (founding myspace).
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -7/+16i cant believe FOX has the nerve to call themselves News Corp
- Craz1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8He's just the default child molester added to each new account.
- Methodius, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10@bonchx
You've really never heard an example? Seriously? Oh well, here's one. And it is just one example, mind you, of a near-constant trend in their "half-and-half" debates.
Hannity and Colmes. You've seen the show, I'm sure. After that experience, are you seriously going to tell me that Colmes deserves to be on the air anywhere? Challenge this guy, and he typically retreats. He's weak, he's wishy-washy, and he's not a match for Hannity. And I doubt that FOX has failed to notice this. A solution would be to hire somebody else that can actually hold their ground against Hannity, if not crush him in debates, but that doesn't happen. FOX is perfectly content to keep those arguments one-sided. And this tends to happen an awful lot with their right vs. left guest setups. The "moderators" you mentioned tend to herd the discussion in ways that favor the neocon guests.
So there's your example. It's not perfect, I know, but it's my observations about the problems with FOX. - elnerdo, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10Your error started with 'All the 14 year old girls reading Digg'
- acceptab1euname, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6@bonchx: here's plenty of examples: http://www.newshounds.us/
Yes, I'm aware they're biased against Fox, but they usually manage to more or less point out what's going on. - stvnly, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5wait.. i thought tom was the dude that made myspace
- sourtimes, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5watch http://www.outfoxed.org/ sometime, that's all you need to watch to understand the bias.
- 0zzy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4His name isn't Tom? He lied to us! Talk about censorship...
- zweben, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8Fair and balanced!
Fox has the nerve to say anything they want about anything. - burke, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3A cop?
- drgruney, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4@bonchx
Fox News' bias shows up in little things... what stories they run, the titles they give stories they do run. They have a lot of lower third graphics that ask questions of the audience instead of giving information. This can give the impression that something is supposed to be common knowledge. If a big news service is asking such a simple question then they must be being sarcastic. It makes people who are not all that educated assume things to be a certain way. "Chavez insults U.S.: Where is the outrage?" "The best president?" Tell me how doing that is not biased? The news industry is supposed to be an outsider to events and only filter information to the masses, not become a part of the story. When Fox News, and CNN at that, do little things like that they very quietly throw in their bias.
Also on a day where much more important things were going on... like the war, they did a very long story on Geraldo's mustache. Oh! Then they played soccer outside of the studio with some soccer star wearing a Red Bull shirt.
Don't get me wrong... I'm a conservative. But that doesn't mean I use the schlock that is Fox News as a real source of info. - MacGyver2210, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Wrong post. Bury me.
- MoneyShot, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3@bonchx: Kinda. But doesn't mean what you probably think it does: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neolibertarian
- simondotcalvin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3He sued News Corp once already because he claims he didn't want to sell to them. Read the rest of the article.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Ha. When Murdoch ran a newspaper in Australia, all the conservative newspapers called him a liberal. I guess if you're on the top, you just can't win.
Do people even know what "neocon" means? Are there "neolibs" in the world? - zevy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Best explanation of Neocons is in the excellent "The Power of Nightmares" documentary (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_of_nightmares).
Watch it.
Archive.org - http://doiop.com/nightmares
Documentary Film Network - http://doiop.com/nightmares2
Google Video - http://doiop.com/nightmares3 - MacGyver2210, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3oh man, what is this country coming to...
This is just plain dumb. That's like Wendy's saying they're suing McDonalds because they won't let them put up Frosty ads in their windows. Of COURSE they don't want competitive sites to advertise on THEIR site, because that detracts from their business, and is counterproductive (probably at least a little). If people honestly think this could possibly win a anti-competition case in court, they're sorely mistaken. If it does win in court, screw this country I'm moving to Africa.
Also, @ steeel, I would have to say it's because Microsoft was about to 100% TAKE OVER an entire section of the country's - if not the WORLD's - economy under their sole control. Antitrust and advertising on a competitor's site is VERY different. Myspace isn't using their influence to prohibit this other company from doing their thing, they're just not going to help them do it. - nalf38, on 10/12/2007, -0/+21. sell out to Rupert Murdoch, become an overnight millionaire.
2. sue Murdoch because you don't like how he runs the site you no longer own.
STUPID. If you want to run the damn thing, you shouldn't have sold it. - akinder, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1He's talking about that ".. Bug" that has hit a lot of people. I can't even link from my myspace profile back to my company because the banner is replaced with two dots, just like all the videos from Vidilife.
Obviously, or I would hope, Myspace doesn't have any reason to censor my company, so maybe he just got bit by the bug? - ehmjay, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3I'm all for fighting censorship! even if it is something to do with Myspace...
- tanger, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1As someone who worked for eUniverse at one point in time under Brad I can say he seems to have went down hill since the initial dot com crash of 2000.
Shortly after the company was looked into by the SEC and he was dropped as chairman of the board eUniverse started falling apart and had it not been for selling their mailing list to Sony the company would have sunk. - kelbear, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The Microsoft cases were due to illegal leveraging of market monopolies in anticompetitive practice. There's nothing illegal about being a monopoly, there's lots of them, and sometimes it's necessary in the case of natural monopoly markets(wiki it).
The problem is that when there's a monopoly, there's no competition, but without competition, how do you ensure that they won't screw the consumers to hell and back now that consumers cannot turn to an alternative business? That's why we've got anticompetitive laws. If the monopoly exists but behaves as if there was potential competition then the consumer suffers no loss(and can even benefit). If the monopoly abuses its power, then another company should theoretically be able to eventually profit by creating a competing business that doesn't try to abuse the consumer. However, the monopoly's power can allow it to CRUSH small start-ups, so we have anti-competitive laws to make sure that the possibility of a small start-up to win via better business practices will continue to exist to keep monopolies in check.
The microsoft cases are different from this. Personal blogging is highly volatile and "What's hot" can fluctuate very, very quickly. Myspace may have the biggest marketshare, but it'd be much much harder to prove that it wields monopoly power because it's still very plausible that a better service can pop-up and unseat it.
Anyway, this stuff isn't what's at issue in the article. - LiveFastDieOld, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4I don't know that Murdoch is a neocon so much as he is a conservative who realized he could make vast amounts of money by selling neocon principles to the public. When Fox Broadcasting Company started, it was anything but prurient -- shows like "Married With Children" and "The Simpsons" were packed with edgy humor that pushed the limits of free TV.
Murdoch's a conservative because he likes the tax cuts -- and conservatives are traditionally champions of free speech (or at least they were before conservatism died).
It's all probably irrelevant, though, since I can't imagine the courts buying this guy's flimsy censorship argument. This blog is telling HIS side of the story, and he still comes off as a bit of a loose cannon.
Don't get me wrong, though, MySpace sucks. Always has. - 98acura, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3I just wish all the broadband service providers would block myspace.com... im so sick of my girlfriend being on that site and hearing a new song everytime she clicks another "friend"
- JonnyTrombone, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4Raise your hand if you saw this coming.
- buellerdiggs, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1he is just a very rich whore, and i say that with admiration he plays his various entities off of each other it is awe inspiring how good he is at just making money peddling whatever sells.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I can imagine Fox News -
'Brad Greenspan, the ***** bastard that created the great friends site, MySpace, and sold it to NewsCorp, is suing NewsCorp. The sonofabitch states that MySpace is censoring certain services, which is *****. With many experts predicting that Brad Greenspan had sex with his mother and is unlikely to win, what will the lawsuit spell out for the glamourous MySpace friends site, which seems to bridge the foundations of the world? More news on that as it comes in....' - vertinox, on 10/12/2007, -9/+10@"Uh, since when was a private entity forced to recognize free speech?"
When the judge says so and depending on how good his lawyers are, but I think they might get them on anti-competitive practices.
I doubt the article presents the true story of this issue. Unless his lawyers are just taking him for a ride, they have some trick up their sleeve or feel that they have some sort of case.
My hunch is they just want some of that money from the deep pockets of Newscorp. - mweels, on 10/12/2007, -6/+7
This guy is a total dumb ass.
If he cared so much about media and freedom of speech why the hell did he sell out to fox? What did he think they were going to do?
Now cry about it, what a moron. - styromaniac, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1"I just wish all the broadband service providers would block myspace.com."
So everybody else using myspace would suffer, right? Please stay on the subject next time. Hell, I've suffered from hearing my sister playing Fall Out Boy: From Under the Cork Tree 24/7. Good band, but not my type. - marcusb, on 10/12/2007, -5/+5I constantly wonder just exactly what Microsoft was guilty of. You've always had choices on browsers or OS, whether or not you liked the alternatives was up to the consumer. Why is IE any worse than including a media player (WMP on PC or iTunes on Macs). Why has RealPlayer not sued Apple or Microsoft for being anti-competitive (maybe they have and I just don't remember)?
- Grayfox777, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Corporations get away with too much BS. I hope Brad Greenspan wins this.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1When you read these posts, you really get the idea that Digg is dominated by high school and college wanna-be web-designer geeks. They don't even know that "censorship" can ONLY be done by the government BY DEFINITION.
MySpace is simply blocking what it deems to be unwanted (for whatever reason) code/speech/whatever from the servers IT owns.
Try going into Best Buy and putting up a "Circuit City Rocks" poster, knuckleheads.
Dude, seriously---you should digg me up just for using "knucklehead" - tsf5000, on 10/12/2007, -7/+5Not surprising considering the fact that News Corp. is run by Rupert Murdoch, a neocon.
- mofomojo, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1The 1st says Congress shall make no law. Not "Companies have to let you do whatever you want.""
However, if Congress passes a law that allows, in essence, private organizations to censor and block free speech, would that too be unconstitutional as well?
I think so. America should be a yelling match of millions of voices and opinions, not just two or three. And there should be no referees. - Betushco, on 10/12/2007, -3/+0i´ll raise my hand... hahaha... really ovious....
it is weird any way - subcomandante, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1Crap. What does that make me?
- MacGyver2210, on 10/12/2007, -9/+1@bonchx - Awesome, I agree. I'm a liberal, but I hate having Fox news being thrown in my face as biased all the time by conservatives. I've never heard one solid example to prove this either.
@Methodius - You have, once again, proved Bonchx's point. You stated a general facade that you feel happens on Fox news, without PROVIDING A SPECIFIC EXAMPLE. I'm sure you've seen the show too, so I'm sure you know there are HUNDREDS of interviews they've done, and you couldn't pull up even a single example. I await your snide elitist - though somehow nonpartisan - retort, and an example of the bias you claim to be the policy of Fox News. - bongchitis, on 10/12/2007, -10/+1What does tom think about all this? I thought he 0wn3d myspace, hah.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -17/+8You know, it's a common meme among Democrats that Fox News is supposed to be biased, yet I've never heard a single example. I've actually asked people who were ranting about Fox News, and they couldn't provide anything. They just kept telling me that if I didn't notice the bias myself, I was an idiot. It's one thing if you don't like Bill O'Reilly, but his show is an op-ed analysis show. I've never heard an example of bias cited in Fox's actual hard news coverage.
Fox News actually maintains an internal list of its guests divided by liberals and conservatives so that they can make sure it's 50/50 at the end of a single day's programming. This is why you often see the split-screen debate format where one view is on the left, one is on the right, and the news anchor acts as moderator between them.
I think some people just hate that a popular news channel airs conservative views on the same level as liberal views after so many decades of news organizations airing conservative views with derision. Why do you think conservative blogs and talk radio are so popular? Conservatives felt excluded by news organizations and sought alternative mediums to speak to the other 50% of America, and the market responded enthusiastically. A UCLA/Stanford study in 2004 already confirmed that the media leans left in its coverage, and another recent study showed mid-term election coverage leaning toward the Democrats and proclaiming victory a month ahead of the elections despite a very tight race.
What I'm trying to say is that I think a lot of the "Fox News is biased" stuff might stem from a little bitterness over conservative viewpoints getting mainstream airtime beside liberal viewpoints. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -12/+2badass
i wonder what will happen
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