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- The_Wallbanger, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16The only KGB type tactics described in this article are implemented by your neo-con leaders.
- digitalrift, on 10/12/2007, -3/+17This is *****. time for the government to fess up. I wanna know what cities, what exchanges and where. Just how deep did the spying go? Why were they doing it in the first place and don't even play the 'terrorists' card, because that ***** isn't flying anymore.
I've nothing to hide from the government, but the fact that they invaded people's personal lives without anyone's consent smells of *****. It's an overused term, and people are sick of hearing but it's true: 'people should not fear their government, their government should fear them' - polyGone, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11Don't worry. There were plenty of smug digg users who told me that none of the new laws used to fight 'terrorism' would be used on Americans. Thanks to them, I don't have to face reality and neither does anyone else. We can all sleep better now with our new found ignorance. Sometimes I wish I could see the look on their faces, when they read a story like this and realize that all the time they spent defending idiot laws was moot. None the less, they will still try.
- rabiddogma, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11@Cleotis: "It's ludicrous to use the words "torture" and "Abu Ghraib" in the same sentence and you know it. Fraternity initiations are worse than that. Don't be a moron."
Yeah I remember when I was anally raped, electrocuted, made to sit in my own ***** and killed at my fraternity hazing. They kept my body in the bath tube and took goofy pictures with it for 3 days ... hahaha that was hilarious!! - freff, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9FTA: "Congress put us in the office of the president, we didn't," Davis said. "Had Congress wanted us to be an indendepent agency, it would have made us independent."
What he's referring to the Unitary Executive theory that this so many Conservatives have been working on since Nixon's Watergate.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unitary_executive_theory
Read up on it. Scary stuff, and exactly the kind of end run around our Constitution that the Founding Fathers would be appalled at if they were around to see it happen. It basically argues that as the federal government falls within the executive branch of government, then there can be no real oversite of Executive actions.
Thus, Congress passes a law, the President is charged with carrying out the law, but if the "White House Privacy and Civil Liberties Board" falls within the federal government, they supposedly have no ability to tell the President what he can or can't do.
Therefore, the President becomes above the law, and all actions taken on his behalf are legal. Utter *****, but that's what's happening in the highest reaches of our government. Some of the foremost advocates of this Congressional theory are in the White House right now (looking at you Cheney). - rabiddogma, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7@ slapout
You do realize that there are LEGAL mechanisms by which the government can LEGALLY conduct surveillance on these individuals and that the ILLEGAL tactics used by the Bush administration are completely unnecessary ... unless of course they are not really spying on terrorists but spying for political purposes, which would explain why they chose to go the illegal route. - williamdyer, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6You are the kind of subhuman scum that would happily become a torturer at Abu Ghraib. I look forward to the day when government goons and their fanboys have to live behind concrete slabs in guarded "green zones in the U.S.
- twollamalove, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6I had a decent post, but ***** it; you're a piece of *****
- Ozymandias42, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6You are the uncorrect one, sir. If big brother says it leaked from miniluv, it clearly has leaked from miniluv.
- rabiddogma, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5@Cleotis
You know that if left unchecked this power might be in the hands of a Democrat in about 2 years. I hope you're cool with that, but somehow I think you might not be. - bshock, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5As an American, I am frankly insulted by the nature and the very existence of the so-called "White House Privacy and Civil Liberties Board." This is a group appointed by the President, answering to the President, essentially controlled by the President, with absolutely no regulatory or oversight powers. It is nothing more than another piece of worthless public relations garbage. Doesn't the pathological liar who works as White House Press Secretary do enough of that already?
Mr. President, whenever you try to stroke my hair and tell me not to worry my pretty little head about what's happening in your America, I have just two things to say: ***** off and ***** you. - freff, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5It's funny that when people begin having a real discussion about things that are legitimately going wrong with our government right now, people start to pop in with the 911 conspiracy posts. I'm sure your heart is in the right place rstevens, but cutting and pasting those links on every thread involving Bush gets you exactly nowhere. If you're genuinely that concerned, call your local congressman, and ask him to reopen the 911 investigation. If not, stop trolling these threads. This particular one is about NSA domestic spying, and what this means to American citizens.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4"mum's the word".... didn't the guy from timesplitters say that?
- Arctirus, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5You sir, are wrong. That was the Ministry of Peace from which that memo was leaked.
- freff, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2In America, we have laws and a time tested Constitution that limit what the federal government can and cannot do. We have due process of law, and this applies to all reaches of the government, including the President. When the President of the United States forgets that he serves the people, then it's our job to remind him of this.
- SanTe, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2jimmygoon, we are at war with Eastasia. We have always been at war with Eastasia.
- profJohn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Dugg on the Brazil reference alone.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3You're a ***** idiot.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3The usa is now no better than the communist countries, with dictator bush in power. That changes the rules as he goes along and doesnt have to follow the laws. We all know real terrorist arent stupid enough to use the phone to talk out plans. Isnt that common sense to all of us?
- gcauthon, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2@Cleotis
So you've never seen this picture:
http://reporters.blogosfere.it/images/abu_ghraib_1.jpg
Or this one?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40174000/jpg/_40174325_graner_ap220.jpg
Better cover your eyes. The first one shows someone being electrocuted and the second one shows an American soldier posing over a corpse. - rabiddogma, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1opps
- gemmakicn, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1ministry of information.... ministry of peace dealt with war, ministry of love dealt with reforming thought criminals with hatred
- nitsedy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Actually the communists seem a bit better...they hacked the Navy's cyberwarfare center. http://www.internetwasteland.com/?p=266
- polyGone, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2I digg this one.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8797525979024486145&q=truth+lies+911 - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Yeah. It's all the evil neo cons.
http://cryptome.org/echelon-60min.htm - rstevens, on 10/12/2007, -5/+4They are spying on Americans to cover their own butts--because millions of Americans know their government set the explosives in the three World Trade Center Towers, and some have the influence to convict them.
Steel buildings don't fall at free-fall speeds--mother nature (God?) made something called resistance.
47-story World Trade Center Building 7 wasn't hit by a jet and collapsed at free fall speed after 5pm, starting at the penthouse (the roof), but American TV hasn't shown the collapse videos since 9/11. Watch them at www.wtc7.net
Read Why Indeed did the World Trade Center Buildings Collapse?
http://www.JournalOf911Studies.com/volume/200609/WhyIndeedDidtheWorldTradeCenterBuildingsCompletelyCollapse.pdf
Watch this movie 9/11 Mysteries:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6708190071483512003
Guilty people--come forth and repent and begin to make right your wrongs. What good is a few years of secrecy compared to an eternity of not being with your loved ones. - gcauthon, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Wrong one.
- fauxXenophanes, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1We haven't had a major terrorist attack in over five years why ? ...
( and don't ever ask for those freedoms back !) - Yokohamalion, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Why is this news? I have always operated under the assumption that someone is listening, no matter who is in power. There are always the the powers that be. Here in japan they have a system where by the can place your cel phone to within 10 meters just in case the fire department needs to find you. Any of you who think this is the Bush Admins fault are living in a bubble. Just look at echelon http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON . I'm under no illusions.
- adml_shake, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2"The usa is now no better than the communist countries"
Yeah, actually it is. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -6/+1@gcauthon
No, actually the first one was not an electrocution. It was a mind game. Get it straight next time. Posing with a corpse? So ***** what? ***** needed to die. That doesn't mean he was "murdered" via "torture" though. - slapout, on 10/12/2007, -9/+3You do realize that there ARE actually Americans who are spying for the enemy, right?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -7/+1@rabiddogma
Yeah, that's not a big deal. I'm not paranoid about the government spying on me, and I don't think the Democrats care about me or my communications. It's just not a real issue to be concerned with.
I must have missed the photos/reports of "anal rape" and "electrocution" from Abu Ghraib. Missed the presentation of evidence of murder too. Gee, I must be living under a rock. I did see the shocking and horifying photos of terrorists disarmed and taken from the battle field, and having UNDERWEAR placed on their heads. Talk about pure torture... - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -9/+1It's ludicrous to use the words "torture" and "Abu Ghraib" in the same sentence and you know it. Fraternity initiations are worse than that. Don't be a moron.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -13/+2most of the nancy boys on here screaming about how their privacy has been violated need to remember:
1. Nobody cares about your private phone calls between you and your hair dresser.
2. You are afraid of and against firearms, so you couldn't do anything to stop the government in an overthrow-type scenario anyway.
3. Therefore, nobody believes in all your faux 'outrage'. Stop with the cute little fits of bogus indignation already. Put up and/or shut up. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -28/+2Cue the American Communist Liberals Union fan-bois in 3,2,1...


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