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- 13373h4X0r, on 07/12/2009, -2/+116...and at the film's climactic scene, the following appears on the screen:
. BUFFERING (19mb/s): ####::::::::::::: (29%) - Nidy1, on 07/11/2009, -9/+111The MPAA went after tracker servers of illegal downloads, not the BitTorrent client itself. Big difference.
- HappyScrappy, on 07/12/2009, -2/+64Streaming with a torrent is stupid. The protocol is designed for everyone to get different parts in different orders so there are as many redundant copies of the content on the net as soon as possible. If you want to stream, you have to go in order from the start, which defeats the purpose.
- ani625, on 07/11/2009, -3/+58The faster one adapts, the better.
- AngelBunny, on 07/12/2009, -2/+46Transferring a soft copy is always cheaper than mailing a hard copy regardless what protocol you use.
If the MPAA had common sense they would of transferred their movies over the internet to theaters long ago. Saving 2k per movie per theater is a nice chunk of change. - inactive, on 07/11/2009, -6/+44But... what if the tracker goes down?
- alpha88, on 07/12/2009, -0/+37I hope someone threw popcorn at you.
- megaton, on 07/12/2009, -0/+32It is a standard in film production. 2k and 4k are the two most popular formats. 2k is roughly equivalent to 1080p, and 4k is (obviously) 4x that. (2x horizontal and 2x vertical for a total of 4x the area of 2k.) Search for it on this page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_common_resolu ...
(machocheese34's link is nice, but non-descript.) - twiztidsinz, on 07/12/2009, -1/+30BitTorrent has long been known as the "Hydra" of filesharing.
Solution: Don't limit yourself to one tracker. - inactive, on 07/12/2009, -2/+28I love the 'Im getting 320 kb/s' feeling
- inactive, on 07/12/2009, -8/+33What the heck is 2K Resolution?
- Spamcan, on 07/12/2009, -0/+19The movies themselves are shipped on external USB hard drives which are then downloaded into the system and require an encryption key that expires after a set amount of time. As far as I can tell there's little difference between those drives and any off the shelf USB hard drive. The reason this system is in place is to keep the number of copies limited so they can be tracked which is easier to do if the theater only has a day or so to download the movie into their system before sending it back. The studios are far too paranoid to give up that level of control, which also works like with the current analog print tracking system.
- unlimitedorb, on 07/12/2009, -1/+20Streams can buffer and I'm pretty sure they made it clear that this was a stream.
- Brak710101, on 07/12/2009, -0/+18You can prioritize certain parts, only download certain parts, or tell it to do it in order (0% to 100%) just like FTP would do.
It's all about settings and your configuration. - Gunegune, on 07/12/2009, -0/+18No offense, but... 19 mbps is less than the bandwidth of Blu-ray Disc. I don't go to the movie theater to see color-banding and compression artifacting all over the screen. I expect supreme picture quality.
At least I can still go to IMAX and watch a movie from high-quality film on a gigantic screen. (Yes I know the irony; IMAX is whoring their name with IMAX Digital) - Nidy1, on 07/12/2009, -3/+19Well, it does make a difference because the article is worded in a way that suggests the MPAA went after BitTorrent. And that's false.
- darthweder, on 07/12/2009, -0/+13Yeah, the movies just aren't the same without those holes in the film and I hate it how I never see giant lines appear on screen anymore. It totally takes me out of the experience
- HappyScrappy, on 07/12/2009, -2/+14That wouldn't be streaming. I said streaming with a torrent is stupid, not transferring data with a torrent is stupid.
- kanojo1969, on 07/12/2009, -4/+16so... what? what was remarkable about this? the consistent throughput of the network? the fact that it was a cinema doing it? what?
shall I copy a 50 gig database from one server to another in a different country over fibre and call the newspapers? how is this even a story? - boxxa, on 07/12/2009, -0/+11The RIAA and MPAA didnt directly go after BT but they have created the hype that BT is bad and put heat on ISPs and caused many of them to throttle it.
- srg13, on 07/12/2009, -0/+10Digital cinema resolutions specify the horizontal resolution (not lines, like TV) and the vertical resolution changes depending on the aspect ratio.
2K (2:1) is 2048x1024 pixels,
2K (16:9) is 2048x1152,
2K (2.39:1) is 2048x856 and so on. - megaton, on 07/12/2009, -0/+10Because to people it's not obvious to, there's the answer. To most everyone else, it is.
I certainly wouldn't want to encourage ignorance through laziness. It takes a couple extra seconds to put something in parenthesis (like this), so I'm certainly not above that.
Why? Are you? - machocheese34, on 07/12/2009, -0/+9http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Digital_cinema_f ...
- alpha88, on 07/12/2009, -0/+8As unlimitedorb said, streams can buffer, and if you're streaming a 2K movie and your internet slows down just slightly...
- xino, on 07/12/2009, -0/+8You got dugg down twice so far. I can't even imagine what the counter arguments are to your comment. Anyone who disagrees, please explain.
- Anand999, on 07/12/2009, -0/+8I bet sending a soft copy of a movie via SMS messages would cost more than etching the movie to a solid gold disk and then having the disk hand delivered by a dozen hookers.
- STPZ, on 07/12/2009, -0/+7real IMAX ftw, gotta love the warning prior to the movie starting. "If at any point you feel nauseous..." should be "If at any point you splooge"
- MasterGrief, on 07/12/2009, -1/+8You unculchad swine
- temsi, on 07/12/2009, -0/+6Actually it's not analogous to megapixels.
2MP means 2 million pixels.
2K resolution means a horizontal resolution of approximately 2000 pixels, regardless of vertical resolution although it's usually dictated by the final image aspect ratio. It "can" be 2MP if the aspect ratio is 2:1. It will be less if the aspect is 2.35:1, or more if it's 1.77:1 or 1.33:1.
For comparison, a 4K digital image is approximately 4000 pixels wide. If it's in the standard 4x3 aspect ratio, it means 3000 pixels high, for a total of 12MP (mega pixels) or 12 million pixels.
Like megaton already pointed out, 4k is 4x the size of a 2k image at the same aspect ratio.
Rule of thumb:
Traditionally, MP is a measurement used in still photography and refers to the total pixels..
Traditionally, K is a measurement used in film production and refers to width only. - 3242130193, on 07/12/2009, -0/+6The bar's getting bigger, but the time is getting longer!
- FairDinkumMate, on 07/12/2009, -8/+14About the same as going after the phone company because someone used a telephone to commit a crime....
Or blaming GM for a bank robbery because the robbers used a GM vehicle to getaway....
Maybe they could sue the local council for providing the roads that the robbers used to drive away on....
No difference at all. - b3owulf, on 07/12/2009, -1/+6Retelling a pretty lame joke makes it extra lame
- darknecross, on 07/12/2009, -1/+6An image with ~2,000 pixels across. It's a pretty common abbreviation.
http://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1GGLS_enUS335US ... - sb66, on 07/12/2009, -1/+660 gb cap with your company, not 'Canada'.
- moothemagiccow, on 07/12/2009, -0/+5Wait, how the hell do you stream anything over bit torrent? I thought the whole point was you get chunks of the file in no particular order. I'm sure whatever they're doing bears only a passive resemblance to bit torrent
- HonoredMule, on 07/12/2009, -0/+5Yeah, but you have even *more* control when you run the server. You can track and limit the number of downloads that occur, and if your DRM system is designed for this, you can even achieve a fairly high confidence that 1 download = 1 showing (or more practically, 1 download = a pre-negotiated number of showings within a pre-negotiated time frame) followed by self-destruct.
- srg13, on 07/12/2009, -0/+5Yeah, I was thinking the same thing - using conventional codecs, 19 mbps at 2K is going to look pretty crap. And then you have to factor in sound.... I mean, it's less than HDV and DV, and they look terrible compared to film...
The only codec I know of that could do that is the unreleased RED-RAY's codec (mentioned in the fourth paragraph here http://provideocoalition.com/index.php/ssimmons/st ... ) which can compress 4K footage (that's four times the pixels of 2K) into a 9 mbps stream - the same bitrate of current DVDs! It sounds impossible, but they demoed it in April at the NAB show to a room full of film pros, straight after a fully uncompressed reel (something like 900 MB/s) and nobody would beleive them when they announced the second one was so compressed. - igutekunst, on 07/12/2009, -2/+6Google it next time, geez.
- srg13, on 07/12/2009, -0/+4There's nothing wrong with digital movie screens... As long as they are using good projectors and a good source (say a 2K DLP or one of Sony's 4K SXRD projectors showing a 12 bit DCI stream)
- Genma, on 07/12/2009, -1/+5http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=2k+resolution
- Spamcan, on 07/12/2009, -0/+4At some point they'll probably have some kind of download system in place but considering how archaic the relationship between the studios and the theaters is it's just easier for both parties to keep using physical copies at the moment. Even if a theater has 16 screens probably only 2 of them are digital, they've got to deal with pick up and delivery of film prints ether way. Some theaters that don't have a strong enough internet connection would still need a copy delivered anyway. It makes more sense to just send hard copies at the moment and set up a download system in another 5 years once the digital roll out is more complete. They're supposed to be 50% digital by 2020 (fat chance). The film industry is going through the same thing the music industry was a decade ago, only on the theater end of things it's like going from a horse drawn buggy to a hovercar almost overnight.
- realcoolguy9022, on 07/12/2009, -10/+14This reminds me when I was watching Apollo 13, and had seen the trailer like everyone had. Near the start of the film, the projector melted through the film. I quickly stood up and shouted "Houston, we have a problem."
- TheSnuffster, on 07/12/2009, -1/+5There's even a link in the actual article. Jeeeez!
- hoju7887, on 07/12/2009, -0/+3Giga got owned.
- Yage2006, on 07/12/2009, -0/+3Would it not be better to download the movie first ? :)
- hellengineer, on 07/12/2009, -0/+3Finally a glimpse of the future for those dumb MPAA people to behold
- LordVance, on 07/12/2009, -1/+4The ISP's use RIAA/MPAA as a handy excuse for throttling bittorrent, but they absolutely would have done so anyway. Bittorrent makes up a disproportionately large amount of their bandwidth and is *mostly* used for illegal filesharing. I'm not defending the AA's here - I say ***** em just like the rest, just pointing out that your ISP doesn't love BT either.
- verkon, on 07/12/2009, -0/+3that requires them to sell it
- XGMike, on 07/12/2009, -0/+3They used Tribler, which is a client that uses a extended Bittorrent protocol made specifically for video streaming.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribler
Old article on it from Torrentfreak:
http://torrentfreak.com/harvard-develops-p2p-clien ... - inactive, on 07/12/2009, -0/+3I don't think digital has the same deep, penetrating effect on the subconcious that film has.
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