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- sladek, on 11/20/2008, -2/+69If you go on the actions of the studios, people should sue their governments when they have a car accident on the roads, or sue motorbike manufacturers when they crash it cause they're going too fast.
- electrifried, on 11/20/2008, -0/+57why dont they sue the entire internet while they're at it?
- lackey, on 11/20/2008, -1/+56The movie studios should be happy we are actually watching the crap they put out... I'm behind iiNet all the way!
- Khast, on 11/20/2008, -0/+49Why can the movie studios sue the ISP over this...the ISP isn't a content provider, when you sign up for internet, they aren't offering you anything except access to the internet.
Next, I think we should sue the movie industry each time they produce crappy movies that people feel ripped off when they go to the theater. - gergless, on 11/20/2008, -0/+34***** the AFACT!
- TunaFishGangsta, on 11/21/2008, -1/+31People need to sue the MPAA for using our legal systems as their business models.
- unhg, on 11/21/2008, -2/+30OK added another to the list
***** RIAA
***** MPAA
***** AFACT - exspasticcomics, on 11/20/2008, -2/+30burn hollywood! burn!
- Stormwern, on 11/21/2008, -0/+24Like accusing the postal service of death threats, not reading the mail before you deliver it is generally a good thing.
- ryanonfire, on 11/21/2008, -0/+23It's weird how they went after iinet instead of Telstra or Optus. Maybe iinet is just an easier target.
- Azerael, on 11/21/2008, -0/+22Interesting how this came after iiNet made noise about the internet filter...
- halohunter, on 11/21/2008, -0/+19What a coincidence that AFACT is making noise over piracy at the same time when the government is trialing ISP filtering.
- ryanonfire, on 11/21/2008, -0/+18Press release from iinet: http://www.iinet.net.au/about/media/releases/20110 ...
- brickbat, on 11/21/2008, -1/+19We should sue the movie studios for Adam Sandler.
- digghasnoethics, on 11/21/2008, -0/+15iiNet says the Australian government's precious firewall is unworkable and wrong.
The minister concerned has a reported track record of trying to suppress critics of plan.
http://www.smh.com.au/news/technology/biztech/gove ...
iiNet find themselves on the end of a court case.
Smelly. - fxu1989, on 11/21/2008, -0/+13Content:
20 November 2008 iiNet (ASX:IIN) will vigorously defend the Federal Court action filed today by a
selection of film and television industry organisations alleging that iiNet has encouraged customers to
download films illegally.
iiNet's Managing Director Michael Malone said iiNet does not in any way support or encourage breaches
of the law, including infringement of copyright.
"In reality, iiNet has been leading the industry in making content available legally through our Media
Lounge, including agreements with iTunes, ABC iView, the West Australian Symphony Orchestra,
Cruizin', Macquarie Digital TV, NASA Television, Barclays Premier League football, Drift Racing 2007 and
classic highlights of golf's four Majors," Mr Malone said.
Mr Malone said iiNet had not breached any laws and had repeatedly passed on copyright holders'
complaints to law enforcement agencies for investigation.
He said iiNet had advised the Australian Federation Against Copyright Theft (AFACT) that their
complaints had been forwarded to law enforcement agencies and that they should follow the matter up
with them.
iiNet's Customer Relations Agreement clearly spells out that customers must comply with the law and
that our service must not be used "to commit an offence or to infringe another person's rights".
"iiNet cannot disconnect a customer's phone line based on an allegation. The alleged offence needs to
be pursued by the police and proven in courts. iiNet would then be able to disconnect the service as it
had been proven that the customer had breached our Customer Relations Agreement," Mr Malone said. - Bith8654, on 11/21/2008, -0/+13Rest assured, they would if it was that simple.
- noisymime, on 11/20/2008, -0/+13http://cristgaming.com/pirate.swf
- P5ycHo, on 11/20/2008, -1/+13Will they sue the state next because some people drive too fast on the state highways??
- gtfx, on 11/21/2008, -0/+12sadly for iiNet (happens to be my ISP!) free speech isnt free, when iiNet MD (publicly)freely call the federal Communication Minister, an incompetent one, and minister retaliates (proves) his incompetence by letting loose the vultures. 'free' speech or rather 'expensive' speech
- jamesmcm, on 11/21/2008, -1/+11In other news... victim's family sue tool shop for selling hammers, which were used in the attack.
- EATMETH, on 11/21/2008, -2/+12I think it's time to boycott hollywood.
- Myztry, on 11/21/2008, -0/+9Sue the iiNet for what? iiNet is not a policing body. I am absolutely sure they would follow a court order resulting from due process.
There is no provision under law to bypass due process, especially in relation to laws of another countries and database entires in foreign Intellectual Property registries
In short, it depends solely on the New World Order's 'trade' agreements. - Fentekreel, on 11/21/2008, -0/+9I really dont think it is the ISP's job to police the movie and music industry properties. Its all just packets to them...
- noisymime, on 11/21/2008, -0/+9Even more a coincidence then that they chose to sue iiNet first, probably the most outspoken of all the ISPs.
- Azerael, on 11/21/2008, -0/+9The Liberals aren't in power anymore, dude. Labor is, and they're not doing Net Neutrality any favors, either, unfortunately.
- inactive, on 11/21/2008, -2/+10this just in
The MPAA is suing the internet for infinite billion dollars - bonjourmr, on 11/21/2008, -1/+7Lol, get *****. If it wasn't for iiNet half the people out there probably wouldn't know that our Internet is going to be filtered within a years time. iiNet, you have the backing of every single one of your customers - someone needs to do away with mainstream American media and fast.
- daveymcwavey, on 11/21/2008, -1/+7If they didn't charge so much for a dvd I might actually buy one. The vast majority of that price is for the retailer and or distributor. They pay lots of money on advertising on buses saying 'Own it' or 'Own the movie on DVD'. Why do i want to 'own it' on an overpriced disc that I'll only watch once? The whole business model is wrong. Cheap legal downloads are the way forward.
- tgc1, on 11/21/2008, -0/+6You're not boycotting them already?
- ivantalboys, on 11/21/2008, -0/+6There is a certain expectation that a road should be suitable for driving on. If it isn't then sue the people responsible.
An ISP just acts as an agent to connect me to the web. I have no expectations of them to block any content in either direction, I don't blame my isp when I get phishing attempts, viruses, hack attempts or even annoying ads on websites.
Of course you could argue that the ISPs are knowingly turning a blind eye to illegal activities and this could be seen as aiding the fire sharers but if this is the case why not go after the PC manufacturers for providing the hardware. Or how about the OS providers for not monitoring the media content stored in their filesystems for copyrighted material.
I'm not sure the day will ever come when Disney/Pixar sue Apple for not stopping pirated films to be stored on Apple PCs. - Leakey, on 11/21/2008, -0/+6Dude, nice one. I never thought of that. Might be a bit of a stretch, but it's also a bit of a coincidence.
- MexiNig, on 11/21/2008, -1/+7thats kind of like sueing trojan when the condom breaks.
- fuckingusername, on 11/21/2008, -1/+6just stupid you might as well sue the manufacturers of the PC's people use to access the internet
- brianegge, on 11/21/2008, -0/+5Actually, iiNet is the only Australian ISP which offers un-metered downloads of iTunes content. I thought about switching to iiNet for this very reason, but then I found it only works for the Australian iTunes store. iTunes Australia, as you point out, doesn't have very much content because the movie studios don't license it here. I download a movie or two a week from iTunes. I can't schedule them to download off-peak like I can with bitTorrent, but I can start watching them straight away.
- WeetaBiX, on 11/21/2008, -0/+5Sue the Minister!
- tremerevamp, on 11/21/2008, -0/+4Outspoken? No ISP has offered support for it in public, iiNet's CEO (Malone) is simply making more noise, or rather, telling it like it is.
The government probably won't be too happy when, in a months time, the only ISP who has signed up for the trial (which happens to be iiNet) has done so with the intention of getting their customers to 'break' the filter. (Step 1: Download tor. Step 2:... Step 3: access bestiality pr0n)
Of course, the staff of Mr. God Police (Communications Minister Conroy) can't really silence the CEO of a listed company like they tried to do to Mark Newton, one of the network engineers at Internode. - r0g3r, on 11/21/2008, -1/+5They want to be like a gestapo where they can penalize you without any due process. This ISP is better than some here in America for recognizing that an allegation is not sufficient, you need to go through the legal system and not around it before infringing on someone's rights.
This happened to me personally when my FORMER ISP disconnected my service without prior notice. When I contacted them to find out why, they told me Microsoft claimed I'd downloaded the game "Halo." I actually own halo on Xbox and didn't even like the game. So I switched to another ISP that hopefully has it's customer's rights in mind. - TunaFishGangsta, on 11/21/2008, -0/+4They don't care about that because it won't make them any money.
Suing is their business model. - michaelcarey, on 11/21/2008, -2/+6This is like the police/government going after the power company for not stopping drug labs from using electricity!
We should sue the movie companies for forcing hackable DRM upon us!! - craig79, on 11/21/2008, -0/+4That sounds like false advertising to me. Maybe you could sue them.
'Own a licence to watch the movie on DVD' sounds so much more appealing. - phosphor112, on 11/21/2008, -1/+5I love how torrents and P2P sharing is automatically thought/looked as illegal, and you must be a "haxor" or you are "downloading pronz" (according to my overly sarcastic computer science professor). P2P in itself is fine and will thrive.
- warbAU, on 11/21/2008, -0/+3well there goes the neighborhood.... i hope this does not spell the beginning of the end, like those poor NZ's....
- inactive, on 11/21/2008, -0/+3And Telstra / Optus collude happily to defraud the public on massively overpriced data charges.
(Telstra openly advertises $150 gb as being affordable yet no government minister blinks an eye at how utterly absurd that is, a gb is 0.40c through the pipe from LA - Guam)
Telstra / Optus pioneered Internet bandwidth throttling coincidently at the same time Foxtel and Optus went into the movie cable business.
Bastards! They are defrauding the public of billions and no one says *****! - tgc1, on 11/21/2008, -0/+3Malicious prosecution much, eh *****? Hollywood, seriously... just stick to making movies and music. Concentrate on your business. Concentrate on how to improve your products. Creating a business whereby you abuse the legal system to create a means of generating revenue is bound to get you all thrown in jail eventually. That or a judge, somewhere, is going to call you on this sooner or later.
This case is going to go nowhere.
- jefbob, on 11/21/2008, -0/+3Hollywood claiming that internet piracy has led to decreased sales.
- WeetaBiX, on 11/21/2008, -1/+4If you sent a bill demanding payment to a recipient and that person got a heart attack from seeing the bill...who do we sue?
The Mailman?
The Postal Service?
The Man for not having a good heart?
or the manufacturer of the computer that prints the letter? - Darthyoshiboy, on 11/21/2008, -0/+3They don't have to sue the whole internet, the fact that the cartels can sue an ISP once in a place like Australia where the courts will probably side with them will give them a haunting specter to lord over the rest of the internet at large. They won't need to sue anyone else from there on in, they'll simply rattle some rabble and scare other ISP's with the prospect of being tied up in court. That's the whole of this otherwise insane action, the cartels just need to have the appearance of legitimacy to scare others into working as their thugs.
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