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- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -19/+79Microsoft is the lesser of two evils between it and apple. Sure glossy computers are nice but what about all the propriety software apple also pushes? Just because they're the underdog doesn't mean they're angels.
- rasterbator, on 10/12/2007, -38/+94Management. $250 per hour.
Engineers. $160 per hour.
Developers. $120 per hour.
Coders. $75 per hour.
Watching Apple constantly adding features to their OS,
while Microsoft removes features from their OS.
Priceless. - fatdog789, on 10/12/2007, -24/+61I'm confused...
Apple nickel-and-dimes its users for every single upgrade and new "feature" and restricts program development on Apple products. It uses overly restrict DRM and locks users in to products which have physically embedded self-destruct mechanisms.
MS releases most of its stuff free, and encourages both commercial and hobbyist program development for their entire array of products. It licenses its DRM to anybody who wants to use it, and its hardware not only works with everything but keeps going and going...
Which company was the evil one again? - dtd00d, on 10/12/2007, -3/+40100 days? Google takes (0.09 seconds). Good luck with that.
- dixta, on 10/12/2007, -8/+29The day Microsoft pulls ahead of Google in search is the day the Zune beats the iPod.
It also happens to be the day everyone will get to witness pigs flying past their Windows, the day the moon suddenly turns blue and the day satan opens up a ski resort in hell.
There is no better example of "keeping up with the Jones's" than Microsoft's attempts at digital music and search. Zune and MSNSearch suck almost as much as Vista. - Quix, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13You underestimate Microsoft's pathological need to rule every aspect of technology.
- jtherrien, on 10/12/2007, -4/+16Windows Live is actually pretty good. It does everything that Google does, and some of it nicer... I don't think the average person really knows of it though. Google has become part of everyday language for internet searches.
- meatmcguffin, on 10/12/2007, -20/+29"Microsoft is the lesser of two evils between it and apple."
No chance. How much of MS's and Apple's code is open? I'll give you three hints : darwin, bonjour and webkit - Dracos, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10Microsoft's problem is that they try to dictate one way for everyone to use their PC. After 30+ years, they stall haven't realized that each person has the potential to work differently than anyone else. Never mind that the "1 Microsoft Way" is often totally backwards or bizarre. People don't like the way MS wants them to do things; they can't (or don't know it's possible to) escape this on the desktop, but they can and do on the Web.
Long story short: MS is still wasting time, money, and effort trying to herd cats, with an iron fist.
Several details in the article also allude to how internally disorganized MS has become. Not only do their teams/divisions/products not interoperate well, but... am I the only person who's noticed that quotes from MS execs contradict the point the author is trying to make? Several examples in this article alone. - Cerpin_Taxt, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9Let the flames rage on.
What really bothers me about Apple is that they have a kick ass OS and have ruined it with its ultra-proprietary nature. I will respect apple when I can run OS X on any x86 machine that I assemble. Microsoft was the devil when they talked about a TPM chip in computers. Apple does it and fanboys worship them.
Apple, get your priorities straight. STEVE JOBS' ***** MACWORLD KEYNOTE WAS ABOUT A CELL PHONE AND A MEDIA EXTENDER.... *****. Stop beating the ipod to death and do something with that OS of yours. Release Leopard in retail and support it with updates (updates... you know, like that konfabulator you invented) for 3 years. (I wont pay for an OS 5 times)
I'm dizzy. - eyreka, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6@fatdog
ditch your rose coloured glasses and take a real look at MS DRM -- especially as it relates to Vista - kroenecker, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6It's impossible to argue from the "free" point of view. Linux is completely free in more than one way. That's exactly why it's so much cooler than Micro$oft.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -7/+13@Mythos, stop spreading FUDs.
Windows Live Desktop Mail, Free on XP. Mail on OS X Tiger is free. It comes along with the OS, it is part of the OS. When you upgrade to Leopard, it just so happen you have a free new version of Mail on it.
Visual Studio Express is Free on XP but is limited. To develop a serious app, with unlimited features you have to buy either the Microsoft Visual Studio Standard 2005 or Professional 2005, each costing $267.99 and $679.99. Xcode is an optional install that comes free with Mac OS X. It just so happen that when you upgrade to Leopard, you get a new and free version of Xcode that comes with it, which utilises the new technologies in the new OS. You never pay for Xcode updates, it's free online. Plus, Xcode - which comes free with the OS, allows you to develop full-blown application, unlike Visual Studio Express which have several restrictions.
You are however right on the .mac side. It is not free like FolderShare. But .mac offers seemless integration with it's iLife suite, making it easy for novice and expert alike to store data or do backups. - noamsml, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6No you can't
- OddTSi, on 10/12/2007, -4/+10@meatmcguffin
Since when does how open or closed a company's source code is determine how evil they are? This Microsoft is evil and OSS is holier than thou attitude is just getting old and ridiculous. - h3r086, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7I think MS's biggest problem is that they don't try to make any thing for themselves.
"Google getz all 'da hits! WTF! Lets make one!! It'll be better!!"
or
"Apple gotz'a MP3player they are leeching loads of cash off'a peeple!? Weut! Lets make one!"
or ofcorse...
"Hmmn... IBM gottz that new operating system..." haha
Don't get me wrong, I'm an avid Windows fan... only because Linux dosen't have Directx... damnit. - mongeau, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I like the last quote: ``Don't underestimate Microsoft,'' Weiner added.
^^^ Now, is that pronounced Wy-ner or Wee-ner? Hmm... :-p - zdiggler, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5You rule the Search Engine you rule the internet!!
Like Yahoo, Google, Altavista etc. - TheChihuahua, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5...nitch?
Would that be niche? - jtherrien, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8Works 100% fine for me in Firefox 2.0.0.1. I fear you may be trying to spread disinformation... It's completely cross-browser compatible afaik.
- dtd00d, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5It's not like Google is a bunch of Agent Smiths running around and Microsoft is Neo to save the day.
I mean seriously Microsoft? Save the world? Yeah okay. - dtd00d, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5@Fatdog: 0.08 + 0.00000001 = 0.08000001 != 0.09
Go figure. - spisska, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5@Qenton
"This is really simple... The first one with something new and innovative in a particular area that gets a majority following wins."
You mean like IBM with desktop computers? Or Visi-Calc with spreadsheets? Or WordPerfect with word processors? Or Lotus with business application suites? Or dBase with databases? Or Hotmail with free webmail? Or Altavista with web search? Or RCA with television equipment? Or Jeep with off-road vehicles? Or Motorola with semiconductors? Or Sony with portable audio players?
I could go on but I think you get the point. A lead is a lead but must be preserved. Even (and escpecially) when your competition undercuts your product on price, outperforms your product, and/or acts illegally in promoting their product.
Google products are still better than any comprable MS (or other) products simply because they're faster, simpler to use, more accessible and they simply do the necessary job better. For example, Google Maps kicks the hell out of anything that MS or MapQuest has exactly for this reason -- it's simpler and faster. I need directions to a given address, not a 3D rendering of what the building looks like (once I get there, I'll see what it looks like).
And Google's products are better mostly because of small yet brilliant innovations. For example, adding an attachment to an email thorugh any other wemailer involves a separate screen and an enforced wait while the attachment is uploaded and scanned. In gmail, this happens in the background, allowing the user to write while the attachment is uploaded. A small thing on the surface but one that has an enormous - noamsml, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I'm tellin' ya, I've had Steve Jobs installed on my internet since last Tuesday, and I can't get him off! He's like some darn spyware clogging the tubes!
-Ted Stevens - bmartin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Feel free to digg me down if you like... but what would Linux need DirectX for? I think that if it were both legal and necessary, Linux would have an open source implementation of DX. Wine supports DX, but other than that, I see no need.
- wastegas, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Is that a chair I hear flying across the room?
- jsusanka, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"Google Chief Executive Eric Schmidt predicted that open Web-based standards would ``sweep aside the proprietary protocols promoted by individual companies striving for technical monopoly'' in 2007.
``The past few years have taught us that business models based on controlling consumers or content don't work,'' Schmidt wrote."
this is my favorite part - it is about time - I as a consumer am sick of having to have a certain web browser or a certain OS or a certain plugin for web pages to work. this nonsense has got to stop.
anybody who codes their pages for a specific browser should seriously consider a career change. whether it be for an internal intranet for a coporation or the internet. - Xuis, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@Fatdog789
I would really like to see where you got this information, got any sources? - Qenton, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5This is really simple... The first one with something new and innovative in a particular area that gets a majority following wins.
You cannot play catchup. You must innovate and find a nitch.
Yahoo, Amazon, Ebay, Google, Youtube, digg, Mozilla, WOW, iTunes. These are companies have at one time or another won a particular round of the internet battle. As long as they keep things fresh they can hold on to there market share no matter what other companies come along and try to "duplicate" them. Microsoft can throw all the money they want at a particular problem but it will not make a bit of difference on getting that market share. - Tippis, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3For some reason, the good old Joel quote comes to mind: "The very fact that Google invented MapReduce, and Microsoft didn't, says something about why Microsoft is still playing catch up trying to get basic search features to work, while Google has moved on to the next problem: building Skynet^H^H^H^H^H^H the world's largest massively parallel supercomputer. I don't think Microsoft completely understands just how far behind they are on that wave."
(from http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/ThePerilsofJavaSchools.html) - bdmbdm, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Because only giving 100 to engineers is really going to boost up productivity...
What I admire about Google so much is they really treat their employees with respect. They give enough breaks and allow employees to work on side projects during work hours. And they give free food!
Google > Microsoft - LocalScope, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5This is true. For instance, if you pull up google maps and live local, navigate to your location and search for a business type (like walmart). Now with live you can drag the map around and it will re-search to the location you are centered at. Google doesn't do that and it should. Makes finding restaurants easier.
- OBKenobi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I use live.com sometimes, when I suspect Google is censoring something. With the customizegoogle extension for Firefox it is easy 1-step access to any major search engine without extra typing. So from that experience, I can see that Live still does not have the content that Google does.
Nor does it have alternative content. I see basically the same stuff as Google showing up. If it's going to be worth anything, at least it should do something that Google does not, rather than be a substandard clone of it. - meatmcguffin, on 10/12/2007, -5/+7@Mythos
Free and open are not the same thing. The majority of free things on your list are usually built into Linux and OS X plus some of the stuff on the list is just stupid - a way of changing languages? a colour chooser? animated help characters?
Generally anything cool Apple comes up with is bundled into the next upgrade so every user is at the same level. It would make it so much harder if half your users using 10.4 could use core data while the other half couldn't.
@OddTSi
No idea, i only bring it up because someone mentioned it above. But i would prefer to at least know what a company is up to with their code and i trust Microsoft as far as i could throw a pie at bill gates.
@mythos
MSN Messenger is ***** add supported, (how pathetic is that), Spotlight is in tiger, MS doesn't update Virtual PC for mac users (or is that somehow Apple's fault?) plus Apple made boot camp free, Xcode updates are free and .mac sucks :) - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4> What really bothers me about Apple is that they have a kick ass OS and
> have ruined it with its ultra-proprietary nature.
Wait a minute. I thought people bought Apple for the fashionable hardware, and simply endured the software that ran on it. Isn't that what roughly half the people say? - BlackAdderIII, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3When you've been dedicated to maintaining your market position through oscillations of deceitful subterfuge and rampant aggression instead of just making good products and standing behind them, power and influence become very, very important - more important than the software.
You'll find that the very worst thing you can do to provoke the ire of Microsoft is to gain any sort of serious presence where they want to be in control - look at NutScrape.
Google have warning, but they're a good company, so doubtless the seed of destructive machinations will be sown and they'll be torn to bits without being technologically bested. - OBKenobi, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4[quote]MSN Messenger? Free update for us. You pay for the new version of ichat in leopard
Desktop Search? Free update for us. You pay for the new spotlight on leopard
Virtual PC? Free update for us. You pay for parallels (even if it's not apple software).
WPF (NET 3.0)? Free update for us. You pay core animation in leopard[/quote]
MSN Messenger - Didn't want it. MS shoved it down our throats.
Desktop Search - Didn't want it. MS shoved it down our throats.
Windows Media Player - Didn't want it. MS shoved it down our throats.
Internet Explorer - Didn't want it. MS shoved it down our throats.
ActiveX - Didn't want it. MS shoved it down our throats.
NET - Didn't want it. MS shoved it down our throats.
System-wide DRM in Vista - Didn't want it. MS shoved it down our throats.
NSA backdoors - Didn't want it. MS shoved it down our throats.
Oh yes, MS provides a lot of free stuff. Proprietary stuff meant to gain an unfair advantage in other markets, and maintain control of WWW standards--by poisoning them no less. Do you need to be reminded of what MS pulled with Java? Why Internet Explorer exists?
MS is a criminal organization convicted multiple times, and it continues to use its OS monopoly position illegally. I do not support Apple's use of proprietary DRM or protocols either, but MS is in a very different position from Apple. MS, not Apple, is the one with the OS monopoly, the giant ISP, hosting, and search engine, and TV network. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Microsoft is just beating a dead horse
- OBKenobi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1[quote]Microsoft are not in the business of being the best at what they do, they are in the business of being second best at what they do, and using the time saved to turn that second best into cash.[/quote]
Actually, they lose a great deal on all of their clones. MS has a few cash cows, like Windows and Office, that keeps them going, everything else has been a disaster for them so far. MS believes these unprofitable clones are a long-term investment. I don't see how they can ever catch up by piling on new features without having any direction or focus. They will always lose to the tiny startup that comes out of nowhere--like Digg. - kdehead, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1why bother going to a microsoft site when you can go to:
http://www.flashearth.com - sirhomer, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Microsoft has been convicted of violating federal anti-trust law.
- wilhoitm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Roz Ho, please make mini Office apps for the iPhone. It is Microsoft's only hope!
- rasterbator, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@fatdog:
Nice FUD. - minorproblem, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Have you actually tried www.live.com it is a clean interface even if it is an exact copy of the google homepage.. try checking things out before you comment.
- placebofx, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2The only reason I use google is because the start page is so clean.
- bmartin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1It looks like a German last name. "Weiner" would be pronounced "vie nehr", like "whiner" but w/ a V, and would mean "one who cries." Americanized, it's probably pronounced like a W instead of a V.
- stoppedcode12, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Over half of Google's revenue are from their ads. This is only possible for Google because they're #1.
- OBKenobi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1[quote]Microsoft's problem is that they try to dictate one way for everyone to use their PC. After 30+ years, they stall haven't realized that each person has the potential to work differently than anyone else.[/quote]
I hate to say this, but Apple is even worse in this regard. That's one reason why I'm still a Windows user, even though I wish MS would be nuked off the face of the Earth. - jake13jake, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Reading about that Virtual Earth thing just shows Microsoft's lack of innovative ability. There are like a million things I would want to develop into something like that.
- OBKenobi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1[quote]Windows Live is actually pretty good. It does everything that Google does, and some of it nicer[/quote]
Windows Live - like a woman, but with something extra. -
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