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- Saintlink, on 10/12/2007, -1/+18So Bob, will you create more bugs and exploits so I can "find" and fix them? Is a 50/50 split on the earnings fine with you?
- joebus, on 10/12/2007, -1/+17I think $100 is plenty for a bug found, if you find two bugs, then you will already have enough for a Wii. ;)
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16You $tupid prat!
- mrASSMAN, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11and i think you should stop spamming your ***** emo blog!
- briangig, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12unless vista is so buggy the each participant is going to become a millionaire...
- student69, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9That's a good idea, especially in a company where looking the other way would be a lot easier. It might not be enough to get things done right, but its a good start.
- Lomi, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9They are getting paid extra for doing their job, $100/bug is plenty of money. They are blanketing all bugs, some could be really easy to fix.... I am sure there are hundreds if not thousands of said bugs needing fixing in vista.
- Technopundit, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6People thought the same thing about XP, and though it wasn't perfect (what is?), it was a damn good OS from the get-go. The critics were soon pretty stupified.
Gosh, if they would pay Linux developers 100 dollars per bug ... oh, I forgot ... the entire development team gets about that much for a year's salary. - actorboy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6They oughta find the bug that makes your S key do that.
- wush, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7using a dollar sign is a bit stupid
- blargsoup, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6If it was open source then there would be thousands of different versions of Vista instead of just 5 (not counting european/developing version hacks), and you would be crossing your fingers when it comes to drivers.
- Technopundit, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6If Vista were open source, the MS campus would resemble a day-care center, or an anthill.
- Barlo_Mung, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9I'm going to go code me a new minivan!
- boredzo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5"As funny as the Dilbert comic is, Microsoft presumably avoids that kind of problem by not allowing the ones who write the code to enter the program."
So who fixes the bug? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8MS probably just throw all those 'reported' things out anyway!
- ani-pockdotnet, on 10/12/2007, -9/+13Damn. Those programmers are sitting on top of an oil field! (Referring to the numerous bugs in Vista)
- mrASSMAN, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5i think it's a great idea. no microsoft bashing from me..
some employees need a little extra push to get things done right
edit: holy crap, the description was the entire article.. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Dam, when I was working Test on W2K team all we got for bugbash was a free cup of coffee from Eurorest.
- whizzbang, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Unfortunately all they have found so far are "Undocumented end user features"
- theone3, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7Mirror: http://sixpop.com/images/images/83267365.gif
And the most unethical programmer gets a $500 bonus! - estvir, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4"In fact, if they were smart, they would penalize the code-writers for every bug found."
they do, they have an [appropriately] named 'bug jail' & other things.
"So who fixes the bug?"
the programmers, DUH .. they just aren't allowed to submit bugs noone says they won't be fixing them. - jasqwerty, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4If it was open source it would:
1) Partly not even exist
2) Be mostly spaghetti code
3) Lack any documentation
4) Be lauded over by a bunch of old guys not wanting any changes - crazyc, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"In fact, if they were smart, they would penalize the code-writers for every bug found."
Actually, penalizing people for making mistakes leads to a really uncomfortable office environment, with high levels of stress, as well as a destruction of creativity - not exactly the place you would want to work, or the environment you would want your workers in. - LabThug, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Does anyone know how users can go about submitting a bug to MIcrosoft (other than those "Do you wish to send your deidentified debug info to us" dialogs)?
- shm1, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4I've heard about (pointy) hairbrained schemes like these before. In one case, the programmers and testers conspired to milk this for whatever they could. If memory serves me well, a specific case was described by Tom DeMarco in one of his books.
- mikm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"If they created the bugs then is that not ineptitude?"
It's quite hard to be completely bug-free, especially when you are writing an OS that will be used with many, many system configurations. - mxpxpx, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3throw money against the wall... see if it sticks
- mrASSMAN, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3where does it say this is happening in india..? i assumed it was at the microsoft campus..
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4Many of you are commenting how low a hundred-bucks-a-bug is... If anything, the low amount should signal how many bugs are left in the program. I'm sure if it was just a handful of hard bugs, they'd offer thousands... but most likely--just like with most Microsoft live-beta-tested software--there are thousands of small bugs.
Anymore than $100 and Microsoft would be forced to gouge---erm...pass the savings onto us. - spotmonk, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4of course.. if it were open source they wouldn't have to pay employees to find bugs.
- breakneckridge, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Maybe the low bounty prices are because Microsoft knows just how many bugs are out there.
- DBCA, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3who watches the watchmen?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1So this is how Microsoft is finally going to lose its mountain of cash....
- akinder, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Oh really? I guess anything that flies the Open Source buzzword is just immune from bugs and godly huh?
Oh wait, what about Mozilla's security bug bounty?
http://www.mozilla.org/security/bug-bounty.html
Hm, I guess if it was closed source then they wouldn't have to pay the 'community' to find security issues for them. - Osjpr, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Free bj
- TKDWILSON, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Here is how they avoid too many bugs in the software. (Linking to video)
http://a3.v14853d.c14853.g.vm.akamaistream.net/5/3/14853/v003/1a1a1a72db3eb01f920167db4fb41745a9188ffd69d8399dcb2c97f865c62f5dc02f9ccbfc30689dd0ff6cdf44bc2c5bc83ba01888b7fc356ea7e0/9999_w.asf
Eric Wilson - gh3tto, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1What's $100 to a Microsoft employee?
- Osjpr, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1The smart employees will simply code bugs into Vista and reap the rewards of their entrepreneurial efforts.
- nil8r209, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Even so, $500 for the one w/ the most is lame.
- cptshamrock, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2For the amount of money that MS has and the amount of bad rep they get for each critical security bug they should get a bit more money. Unless they are not differentiating form critical and non-critical then it seem reasonable because in a set of code as large as vista there is going to be load and load of bugs.
- ryan, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Free money?!? Those lucky bastards!
- Osjpr, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1who the hell is MS, shredwithpiks?
- sumrandommember, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1WOW! A company with an incentive program.
Never woulda thought of that! - daggerhart, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15 bugs = xbox 360...
too bad no one got paid to find it's bugs =) ... - anagramarama, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3The bugs in vista sounds like a classic symptom of the "Cathedral" development model, if microsoft open sourced some of the non-ip sensitive bits in vista they'd let us all help out.
"Release Early, Release Often"
http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/cathedral-bazaar/cathedral-bazaar/ar01s04.html
I'm looking forward to vista, but I'm certainly NOT going to buy bug riddled v1 when it hits the shelves - diggnationdevon, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Well hopefully there aren't many lol
Someone might be a millionaire soon! - veloscaper, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Microsoft India is the largest MS branch outside Redmond. What makes you think it isn't India?
How many hours do you think it would honestly take to find a bug (honestly) and fix it (again, honestly not some hack)? Now divide that by $100. You think US programmers are gonna work for $10/hr or less.
I assume the offer is for bugs not already known and on some fix it list. - shredswithpiks, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0of course MS is worried about bugs in their OS. If they weren't, it would be kind of a wasted effort. Everyone who releases an OS is worried about bugs.
Every company offers bonuses from time to time as an insentive to improve your work. We're I'm at you can get a $200 bonus if the right person sees you do something good, even though that something is something you just do because you're paid to do it.
:[ - carebearwarrior, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2/thinks back to the one comic strip of Dilbert where the Boss offers them the same incentive
/next frame has Wally calling a car dealership telling them to "Put me down for a minivan."
Lol. - kilofox, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Someone is getting a brand new car!!
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