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- M2Ys4U, on 10/12/2007, -10/+180DRM is bad... mmmkay?
- masamunecyrus, on 10/12/2007, -12/+98No kidding. If they'd just stop with the DRM, we could run a god damn 17280p resolution video, given enough processing power and RAM.
Personally, I'm sick of all the new disc formats -- HD-DVD, Blu-Ray, China's own customised HD-DVD that they're making. There SHOULD NOT BE VIDEO AND AUDIO DISC FORMATS! All discs should be data discs only, and the player would then be able to play different encoding formats. That way, discs wouldn't have to evolve like they are -- only the players would change over time. - merreborn, on 10/12/2007, -7/+90Dude, linux evangelism is great and all, but "I play windows games" is the exact reason I still run windows on my home PC. At work, it's all linux though, aside from a handful of other windows-only apps (there's not much out there in the Linux postage printing world, and we do a lot of shipping)
Yes, it sucks, but those of us who use windows only apps aren't moving til we can get what we need/want done on linux. - tizz66, on 10/12/2007, -3/+86This will simply kill HD-DVD and Blu-Ray even faster.
- garthvh, on 10/12/2007, -14/+91Linux won't have any support for either format, how will switching people to Linux have anything to do with HD-DVD or BluRay?
- AdamWeeden, on 10/12/2007, -9/+66@mdortch
"My bet is that Vista crashes and burns WinME style and we eventually place it in the same vaporware category with Longhorn and Duke Nukem Forever"
umm:
1) Vista IS Longhorn
2) vaporware == it never comes out, how can that happen if it "crashes and burns WinME style?" - goblindegook, on 10/12/2007, -9/+60"Vista IS Longhorn.."
Although if you consider the features it's been shedding, it's not the Longhorn we were promised anymore. - NSMike, on 10/12/2007, -5/+49Good. Kudos to MS for that point.
- adolfojp, on 10/12/2007, -8/+52"uuuugggghhhh! Microsoft you suck! I'm so sick of things being cut out of this OS"
Please read the article and redirect your anger at the correct recipient.
"The media companies asked us to do this and said they don’t want any of their high definition content to play in x32 at all, because of all of the unsigned malware that runs in kernel mode can get around content protection, so we had to do this"
This is the result of media companies controlling technological innovation, not of Microsoft cutting companies voluntarily. Stop. Read. Think. Post. - ksgant, on 10/12/2007, -20/+60They keep pushing me further and further into getting a Mac for my next computer. Yes, the Mac has DRM...but not "shove it up your ass and like it bitches" DRM that Microsoft will have.
- darthsnoopy, on 10/12/2007, -4/+42OMFG, stop the FUD. Seriously. Get your sh*t straight before spewing off. If you hate DRM, great..but know where the 'evil' comes from..
1) Take MS out of it...it doesnt matter what OS manufacturer you are...if they dont play by the DRM rules, they dont get to play the disks. They didn't make the disks...this doesnt matter if its Linux, MS, or Mac. OS makers have to respond to policy that the DRM producers (panasonic/sony/etc.) create. The DRM producers make DRM disks because the Movie studios wont put thier media on the format unless its protected. You want to aim guns and bash...start at the studios, not at the OS makers.
2) To support outputting HD content onto a monitor, the 'security chain' would have to have something to do with the drivers. 64 bit Vista has signed drivers as a requirement, so this may be where this restriction came in. I'm sure this is a 'requirement' of being able to decrypt the video stream.
3) If I'm totally way the hell off base, then it'll be shown by the announcement of Linux and Mac support for blue ray and HDDVD, without requiring any restrictions on their drivers. I'm dying to see this posted, announced, shown.
Till then...remember...evil's heart is at the movie studios...buy in, and you fund them. Bitch though you may... - NSMike, on 10/12/2007, -1/+39"So much for 32bit Vista Home Pre / Ultimate running all your needs HD needs."
...Until someone cracks the new copy protection and starts distributing HD torrents. - halleyscomet, on 10/12/2007, -4/+40Wait until SP2.
MS is pretty good about getting the major issues dealt with by the second Service Pack.
Well, except for W2K, which was pretty darn spiffy out of the box.
And ME, which NEVER got beyond abysmal. - estvir, on 10/12/2007, -13/+46I love how you guys spin every story to blame Microsoft.
This isn't because of Microsoft and if you RTFA and do a little research you will see that they're complying to laws/companies and that no 32bit OS will be able to [legally] run 'studio-released' Blu-Ray and/or HD-DVD movies.
Seriously, get over the Microsoft bashing, where does it get you and does it help any situation ? Nope. - cnt2infinity, on 10/12/2007, -15/+43So we pratically have Windows XP over again with a new interface and including a fresh set of bugs.
- crilen007, on 10/12/2007, -19/+44From what I can gather, the only people who need Windows are people who play games.
Is there any other reason why Windows is around? - etempest, on 10/12/2007, -2/+22So much for 32bit Vista Home Pre / Ultimate running all your needs HD needs.
Still going to hold off from getting VISTA for about 6 months to iron out any big bugs. - envy860, on 10/12/2007, -1/+18“This is a decision that the Media Player folks made because there are just too many ways right now for unsigned kernel mode code [to compromise content protection]. The media companies asked us to do this and said they don’t want any of their high definition content to play in x32 at all, because of all of the unsigned malware that runs in kernel mode can get around content protection, so we had to do this,” he said.
***** the media companies. - wistar, on 10/12/2007, -1/+17Do you think for a minute that MS wanted to do all this crap? The movie studios are the folks demanding it and MS is stuck in an uncomfortable place trying to supply the things most consumers want while dealing with the demands of content owners.
- hchaudh1, on 10/12/2007, -42/+58I always had a hard time explaining to people why MS licensing is bad and why they should try to move to Linux. The stockest of stock replies was that, "I play PC games." To which I would say stuff about freedom and how these licensing schemes basically make the user Microsoft's "personal bitch".
But maybe now they will see that. HOPEFULLY.
I guess all the people who bought those PC's with the Vista ready stickers are in for a rude awakening. - chicken101, on 10/12/2007, -4/+20Just wait until those bastards at bestbuy tell you that 32bit cpus aren't "fast" enough to handle HD video.
This is one of the reasons I despise windows. - rileyjt, on 10/12/2007, -2/+17"because of all of the unsigned malware that runs in kernel mode can get around content protection"
Lol - thats not Malware, its called a video player!
But this type of thing just further sinks the HD formats by ensuring that it does not work properly with PCs. People will simply rip the discs to a playable format and put them up as a torrent just like they do now with DVDs. By tightening the screws, the media companies will end up with less control over how people watch their content. - Yanks2435, on 10/12/2007, -7/+22"All those "Vista Compatible" stickers are a joke. My bet is that Vista crashes and burns WinME style and we eventually place it in the same vaporware category with Longhorn and Duke Nukem Forever"
Vista IS Longhorn.. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+18Pft. You think Apple won't be complying with the MPAA too?
- CiXeL, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14they're the new ISDN
- jav1231, on 10/12/2007, -3/+17This is awesome! The more limited and screwed up Vista is, the more likely people won't adopt it. This is good for everyone. Why? It just helps alternatives.
- Yupp, on 10/12/2007, -4/+18On the upside, all versions will be compatible with “next generation high definition video torrents”
/if it's new format, just wait 30 minutes until there's a workaround :-) - falstaff, on 10/12/2007, -6/+20I think I'm going to hold off on Vista AND HD content for a few years. Vista is just another piece of bloatware to get consumers to upgrade their hardware. Win2K works brilliantly for everything I need to do, and XP, with the right tweaks, isn't far behind. Shelling out more cash for a pretty desktop that will be covered up by running programs 99% of the time is lame. As for High-Def, I'm not getting stuck with the next Betamax library. I'm perfectly content letting other people fight that fight while I enjoy my DVDs.
- foolfromhell, on 10/12/2007, -4/+17My hardware is too weak to run Cedega and take the hit in FPS.
Thats the ONLY reason I have Windows installed. Or I would move to Ubuntu. But I love my games. - takeda, on 10/12/2007, -4/+16"Linux won't have any support for either format, how will switching people to Linux have anything to do with HD-DVD or BluRay?"
This is not just BlueRay HD-DVD (btw - screw them both). Vista 64bit won't let you install ANY kernel module that isn't signed by Microsoft. This is really bad. - OandA, on 10/12/2007, -13/+24No way this will actually happen. If it does it just goes to show how stupid DRM is getting. Limited DRM is understandable and even manageable but it this is an uneccesary EXTREME method.
- spengy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2006/06/09 Like this guy?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12I like to play HD on my PC so i can stream it to my HDTV. It's a fine feature so who needs HD-DVD or Blu-Ray and Vista at that.
- Electrox3d, on 10/12/2007, -7/+17Sigh... so this is just another reason a 20 yr PC user may want to run a Mac the next time around. Heck, with parallel you can run all your pc Media Center stuff full speed, then when you want to watch blu-ray, just minimize windows, and play with Front Row.
- Markus123, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13So people will be able to play it wherever they like...
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13iMovie HD? What does iMovie HD have to do with Blu Ray and HD-DVD?
***** Stupidity - halleyscomet, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13That's the sinister part.
The OS itself will fail to decrypt the data streams without signed drivers. This means that even if someone writes a software package that CAN play the content on 32 bit Vista, it still won't run unless you somehow hack Vista to run drivers that haven't been signed by MS.
The meat of the story is not that WMP won't support the formats, but that the OS itself will attempt to block any attempts to support the format. - AngelCX, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9Does it disturb anyone else that this Blue Ray and HD crap is basically saying to everyone: "dance puppets dance!!!"
With behavior like this its not hard to see why movie pirating is going to sky rocket in the next few years, and especially when this technology becomes popular. - tardpicard, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11"Vista is just another piece of bloatware to get consumers to upgrade their hardware."
@falstaff
Correct sir. I'm not gonna explain to grandma why she needs a 256MB video card just to check her email. As for the HD situtation, fagetaboutit! - moo083, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12Um, the Core Duo is a widely popular chip and is still 32 bit. I agree that everything will be 64 bit soon, but don't get ahead of yourself. Everyone knows this is a DRM issue and not a speed issue. I'm sure Leopard will run HD movies just fine.
Also, why must Vista require a 64 bit machine. Leopard is going to be released as ONE version for PowerPC 32 bit, PowerPC 64 bit, Intel 32 bit, and Intel 64 bit. Its going to have support for machines dating back to the end of 1999 (aka, G4, G5, and Intel support) whereas MS just supports the latest machines. While they DO support 32 bit machines, if its any older than 6 months at this moment, its probably too slow to fully handle Vista. Isn't that kinda pathetic? Also, Vista x64 makes some 32 bit apps incompatible whereas Leopard runs either without any compatibility layer. It runs either natively. Who's in the past? I would say it might be Microsoft. - SyDIGG, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11Vista - The Incredible Shrinking Operating System
- o0joshua0o, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10This is probably getting George Lucas salivating at the prospect of yet another rerelease of the Star Wars movies on yet another new format. It'll be the digitally re-remastered version with bonus bonuses and extra extras!
- rileyjt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9don't forget the $100 6 inch cable to connect everything!
- LiquidPenguin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10It's amazing how many comments are here because nobody actually reads the damn article.
To begin with, running HD using x32 is not impossible. In fact, "Microsoft’s move to drop support for playback of studio-released HD movies on Vista...." This implies to me that they had HD playback functioning in some fashion before they dropped it.
Also, I'm not familiar with the Miscrosoft driver signing process (being primarily a happy Linux user), but I'm willing to gamble that there's money involved. Any wonder why a good portion of 32 bit OS developers don't sign their drivers? Alot of companies are going to save costs wherever they can, not paying money to MS is sometimes one of them. Of course, you might be thinking that huge multi-national corporations will be more than happy to pay these fees in order to make customers happy, right? Well, no, not exactly. The costs will get shuffled around, either with more expensive hardware (yay!!), even cheaper components (can't imagine how much cheaper) or, worse, a reduced feature set.
There's also another potential side affect. The PC industry is seriously lacking in any interesting cottage industry hardware. When was the last time we had a company like 3Dfx (not exactly cottage industry, but it was smaller than ATI or nVidia) blow everyone away with kick ass must-have new hardware? Signed drivers could potentially destroy the peripheral market by increasing an already high entry barrier.
The hacking scene is filled with USB based toys, gadgets and other junk. What happens if signed drivers are required for these toys as well? PC's are already closed systems constructed primarily of Lego-like components. Really, it's not _that_ hard to install RAM, video cards or any other component any more. Not being able to build truly interesting and new hardware to play with is like not being able to soup up your Honda CRX.
This boils down to one basic variable, money. Greedy fat ***** sitting in their corporate offices are trying to figure out ways to milk more money from a society already spending money to avoid their growing debts.
Don't get me wrong, I like the idea of a central body verifying, testing and ensuring that third party drivers don't trash a computer. I just don't like their reasoning behind their decisions. - danglerman, on 10/12/2007, -15/+24uuuugggghhhh! Microsoft you suck! I'm so sick of things being cut out of this OS
- acroyear2, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11Microsoft today announced they are cutting Vista from Vista.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12HD DVD and Blue-Ray are terrible anyways. Nobody is looking forward towards them. They will flop until they're forced upon us.
Hence, this MS thing is probably good for the consumers who don't want to upgrade their current DVD systems. - 2Wrongs, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10(Slightly off-topic) Actually they've completely re-written their network stack. Which (IMO) makes it worse since it has been found vulnerable to stuff that was fixed years ago. They should have just ripped off a working stable stack like BSD's (like last time) (allegedly).
- linkwray, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8"The media companies asked us to do this and said they don’t want any of their high definition content to play in x32 at all..."
And what have your CUSTOMERS asked you to do, Mr. Mircosoft? You know, those of us who ACTUALLY BUY YOUR PRODUCTS? I sure as hell didn't ask that you intentionally cripple your 32-bit product so it won't play HD content from these "media companies." - superkendall, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9Ever head of Windows Media Center Edition? You know, the one that runs on TV's connected to TV's?
I guess now they'll have to be $2k server class boxes. That'll sure increase market share fast. -
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