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- dggeek, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2plamoni: "It needs to be PSP-sized before it becomes more convenient than carrying around a laptop."
Screw that. Give me something I can see. Give me something that will push the e-book market. That looked like just the right size. PSP size is not good enough for an all-around portable device. Not unless you want to severely limit it's usefulness. - phytonix, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Fail!!! Origami will FAIL MISERABLY!!!!!
Too big to compete with iPod...too big to compete with many smart phones...too big to be remote to control "Media center"..................
Too small to compete with small laptop.......
when it wants to be everything, it is nothing! - Cronus6, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1IvyMike: "I liked this better when the first time, when it was called the Apple Newton."
I think it would be pretty funny if one of the "unnamed partners" ended up being Apple. - einfeldt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1This is not new. The PepperPad didn't seem to take off, but the Nokia 770 has taken off, and both of those run on Linux. Who wants to feed the beast of Redmond when you can get cool stuff with Linux on it?
And as several people have said, this is just vaporware.
In case you forgot what the PepperPad is (was?) here is the link:
http://www.pepper.com/
It's just slighly larger than the Origami pictured in the video. - spazer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1How is this anything new? It sounds basically like any other PDA...
- MindTrigger, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Not a PDA. How many PDA's are running Halo, or decent photo manipulation software? Even if they could, who likes staring at the tiny screen on PDAs? I have an X50v and it just sits here. I'm thinking about turning it into a universal remote for my home theater system. Origami will be more powerful than a PDA, and it will fulfill a different role. If you don't need one, put your e-penis away, and move on. I need one. This is a new(er) form factor that sits IN BETWEEN the two sizes, and has a LOT more power than a stupid PDA.
One example is my home wireless network. While the Origami might seem huge to some of you who think that 3 inch nub in your pants is actually seven inches, it's a lot easier to lug from room to room or out by the pool than a full size laptop. PDA you say? Yeah right. I have a Dell X50v with the 640x480 resolution, and the screen size is TOO small for almost anything even at that resolution, not to mention the thing does next to nothing. Talking about a waste of money. If it was Origami size, at least it would be useful.
I also do a lot of hiking, camping, quad riding and a lot of work out in the field where a PDA doesn't cut it, and a laptop is too damn big. This thing is PERFECT for exactly the market they are targeting. I'm in that market, and I see 100 places in my life it will better than the gadgets I have now.
PALM OS sucks ass. It's more efficient because it doesn't do anything. I'm not saying Windows Mobile is perfect, but as someone who has used both for work, I'll take Windows anyday. Most of the world is using Windows, anyway. What the hell are we going to do with a PALM? - MindTrigger, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@jmcorm
You aren't getting the BIG PICTURE here. I have a PDA. I had a Palm and got rid of it. My PDA is too damn small, and too short on power to be of any real use for anything other than a glorified organizer. Same goes with your TX. I want a machine about twice the size of my PDA with an appropriate screen. Jesus you have to be the biggest PALM PDA fanwhore I have ever seen, and I've been in IT for 14 years.
What is "power"? Well if the Origami can run a decent photo editing suite, or a 3D game like Halo, then I would say it has more "power" than any handheld I have seen, not to mention a SCREEN SIZE that makes it actually useful. My X50v has better resolution than your Palm and it may look nicer, but it's too damn small. I also could mount an Origami size machine in my car, where a PDA or Laptop won't cut it.
Fine, lets humor your fanboy mind, and call it an "oversized PDA". Hey if that's what you want to call it, I'm down. The form factor IS one of the major selling points for me. I can see it totally escapes you that not everyone wants their devices to be small enough to fit in their pocket. You are probable one of those people who think it's cool to watch a video on an iPod. I don't. Not in it's current interation anyway.
Niche products? yup, that's me. GPS software for my PDA sucks, so yes, I need something a little bigger with more power while I'm out and about. I also want other PC features while im out, so a handheld GPS won't do it either. I don't really want to sit here and explain all my my "niche" needs for this thing , but it works for me.
So what is it with you? Do you just live off of your Palm? I have a bunch of computers, desktops, laptop, PDA, blackberry phone, etc. They all have their place and time. I have a need for something the size and power of the Origami (and it doesn't HAVE to be an Origami either). Clearly you do not, so why are you even in this discussion? Couldn't your time be better spent trolling somewhere else, like a Mac discussion?
jmccorm: "What the hell do you need a Core Duo for? Your Core Duo is already here. Now. Palm TX."
jmccorm: "A laptop is only a "big PDA" that won't fit in your pocket. Get a Palm TX!".
:) - Cronus6, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"plamoni: "It needs to be PSP-sized before it becomes more convenient than carrying around a laptop."
dggeek:Screw that. Give me something I can see. Give me something that will push the e-book market. That looked like just the right size. PSP size is not good enough for an all-around portable device. Not unless you want to severely limit it's usefulness."
I couldn't agree more. The PSP is too small to be useful, as is the Treo and most other "PDA's". It's about time someone made a powerful midsized laptop replacement. Now lets just see if the price is right :) - jpturner, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Go order a Motorola A1000 from Europe and you can do all that plus (when full network support is available) full motion two way video calling. The A1000 is a mini tablet already with support for 3D games, MP3's, movies and up to a gig of ram (transflash). It has handwriting reco, bluetooth, opera and you can sketch on it, email it goes on... Its not much more than a PSP or Video iPOD. Plus its a touchscreen phone. There is a version called the M1000 for sale in Japan that has 802.11g! Why are we American consumers being so constricted by the cell service providers. They want to micropayment the end user to death for everything. They even dictate what phones you can use. It sucks. I hope this mini-tablet is, it is cheap and full featured.
- sxlixz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0 savageownage: I would buy one as it is. I thought it was really cool. My only concern is the battery life. It must last at least 10 - 15 for me to seriously consider purchasing one.
dude, 10-15? look, battery life is KEY, but who is actually listening to music/watching movie/anything else on a portable for 10-15 hours straight w/o having a plug around. i want this thing to be affordable, not be a power supply for the ISS - matt.rubin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"Son's PlayStation Portable game device, "Origami" seemed to incorporate more functions and appeared to be much larger than those gadgets."
heh never heard of Son's playstation d: wow china needs to stop those knock offs lolz - skeet07, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0week 2 has been unlocked at http://www.origamiproject.com/2/ - week three will be unlocked on the 9th
- r3zonance, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Yeah this Origami device shows the world MS still doesn't "get it".
People want their portable media devices to basically, just play media. But no they have to bundle ***** loads of other functionality into, and that is just gonna remove all the simplicity from using it.
Here's the next "iPod Killer" folks (in the same way all other iPod Killer devices went). :P
iPod for me, I don't give a ***** about jotting handwritten notes into my music player, and it has no business being there. I have my PDA for that. - Drahknon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0It looks kind of neat, but ultimately, cost will be the dealbreaker. If they can price it around $400 or so, I can see it taking off. After all, some people might use this more than a higher-end PDA if they get more for their money.
- amigiac, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0no digg, it's just a PDA...
- SFBay, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Apple >> SonySonicStage
- jmccorm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0http://store.palm.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2113009&cp=1157580
Regarding the screen: 320x480 resolution, portrait or landscape mode $299.00 - jmccorm, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1> You aren't getting the BIG PICTURE here.
Actually, I have a pretty good handle on it.
> Anyway, I know I was talking a little smack.
Talking a little smack? LOL. The irony is that you accused me of being the biggest Palm booster evar, yet you're the biggest Origami fan I've ever seen in all my years of IT (which happens to be more than 14 years, but do we really need to have a penis measuring contest here). And the product isn't even released.
Again, I'm not saying the Palm is WOW GOTTA BUY NOW WOW BEST PRODUCT EVAR. I am saying that the Origami brings nothing significantly new to the table, and I use the Palm to highlight this. Would you rather I use a Sony product?
> My PDA is too damn small, and too short on power to be of any real use
> for anything other than a glorified organizer. Same goes with your TX.
Again, the Palm doesn't have a severe horsepower shortage because it isn't trying to run full-blown PC apps, and it isn't trying to run a bloated operating system. I suspect, although they have not said, the Origami isn't going to be a Windows XP compatible product, so it won't be running full-blown PC apps either. If they tried, at this point, it would be a mistake, because they couldn't pull it off.
> What is "power"? Well if the Origami can run a decent photo editing suite...
We didn't actually see a "decent photo editing suite". We say the illusion of one. With strange histrograms produced on the side of the picture like nothing a real program would do. That was a mock-up. But it is possible. Even the Palm has the horsepower for that kind of thing. It is a matter of... once again... screen size.
> or a 3D game like Halo, then I would say it has more "power" than any
> handheld I have seen
And there's the rub. Halo is a _real_ PC's game. The Origami they used had a visibly slow frame rate. The update speed of the game was far less than the video it was shot with. CPU power? Dunno. But you can't expect a nice 3D accelerator card in a device like that just yet, can you? Screen size actually works against the Origami in this case. That's the rub. It has more pixels than it has horsepower to drive in a 3D game. Play Halo on Origami, and expect to be fragged, is what that video said to me.
> Fine, lets humor your fanboy mind, and call it an "oversized
> PDA". Hey if that's what you want to call it, I'm down.
Well, I think you're sticking to a power/technology point of view. I'm coming from a usability/application point of view. Nothing I saw wasn't anything like I couldn't do today on a nice $300 PDA. Go back to the video. Wirelessly send/receive pictures. Do email. Play video. Listen to MP3s. Draw pictures. Take notes, stylus input. From a functionality point of view, it is all available today. You're concentrating on the CPU power aspect of it, and the screen size. Screen size I can understand. Power, unfortunately, is robbed because of the OS platform. Unfortunate, but true. Also robbed by the screen size, which is that interesting rub I talked about.
> You are probable one of those people who think it's cool to watch
> a video on an iPod.
Actually, if I'm bored and have time to kill, I wouldn't mind watching an episode of South Park on a portable device. Interesting that you make all sorts of accusations of what you think I do and don't believe, but this one is true. The video iPod is an interesting aside... it has less functionality than any of the products discussed. But it does what it does well enough.
> jmccorm: "What the hell do you need a Core Duo for?
> Your Core Duo is already here. Now. Palm TX."
> jmccorm: "A laptop is only a "big PDA" that won't fit
> in your pocket. Get a Palm TX!".
Please do not muddy the conversation with fabricated and false quotes. If you have an intellectually honest argument, I'm sure you're capable of making it.
> The concept that they were trying to put out there
> was "this thing has more power than a PDA".
Okay. There is your point. I'll say that I saw barely more power than a non-Windows PDA. The only application that showed some horsepower being pulled on was the jerky and slow Halo game. That wasn't exactly the best advertisement for power. Video playback at a high resolution might show some horsepower (depending on resolution and framerate). I'll bet money it wasn't HDTV playback they were doing to take advantage of that big screen.
My point is that this has no more functionality than a PDA, except it has a larger screen. What they were selling in this video was a portable and wireless lifestyle. Everything is already out there on the market. There are some devices (as mentioned) which already put this all together, except in a smaller screen.
You may see this as wow/revolutionary. Fine. I don't even see this is iterative. This is just a copy of what is already out on the market. With a bigger screen. - jmccorm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0> For all those who are saying this is just a PDA,
> name me a PDA which can play Halo or have a
> graphics card which is capable of running Halo 1
Halo is a Microsoft product. They don't release it for other platforms. And again, the movie showed a really horrible Halo game experience. Go back and view it carefully. The framerate is slow and the movement is jerky. This is not a good 3D gaming experience at all. Likely because this device doesn't have a souped up 3D graphics accelerator to drive all those pixels. Partly because of CPU speed, I imagine.
You could play Halo with your friends on this if you all stood still and didn't move around a lot. - Tripmoneyuk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Think that i'd prefer a GP2X, once they get the bugs sorted out of course ;)
- imtigger2, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0
Here's a device by Nokia that looks very similar, their "Internet Tablet".. and it's running Linux:
http://www.nokiausa.com/770 - bakatrinh, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0From the screenshots it looks like a very portable tablet pc. Which means the OS is Windows XP and you'll most likely install and run anything a standard pc can. (firefox, msn messenger, etc.)
- SilentBobSC, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"At that price, it's gotta have some sort of data plan attached to it, otherwise where's the profit?"
Games, Specialized apps, media service I'm sure - computermatt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Knowing Microsoft, this thing will be as big, or even bigger than an Apple Newton, and cost more then the xbox 360. And who could forget the same features as vista.
- zetsurin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I'm personally considering a Zaurus 3100 with the built in 4GB HDD. Only hesitation I have is that the screen is a bit on the small side. I would never consider throwing more money at Redmond to assist them in their innovation stiflement programs.
- hasanahmad, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0For all those who are saying this is just a PDA, name me a PDA which can play Halo or have a graphics card which is capable of running Halo 1
- kazsymonds, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Pllllleeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaasssseeeee make it with a tablet pc ui ms! None of the ***** Apple gives us, could you imagine playing Halo with that crappy clickwheel? I cant wait for this.
- Marlon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0The video is tight!
Will there be MS Wireless subscription or will they use TMobile, Verizon, etc?
Alex digging something should be it's own story
+digg - hasanahmad, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0You guys have to understand is Microsoft is doing a very smart thing. With this device they are competing with PSP, iPod and Nintendo DS at the same time.
1) It can have a full version of windows from the looks of it
2) It can fold up and work in a different way according to news reports
3) It can apparently play games to compete with PSP in terms of processor performance
4) It can be innovative in terms of games to compete with DS in terms of touchscreen
5) It can play Mp3's.
Notice that in the video microsoft did not show off thier WMV files. They specifically showed off MP3 files because they know themselves people will use Mp3 files to listen to music and not WMV files.
If this device is under 700 with processing power more than a PSP then it will have HUGE support from homebrew communities which just to get back at microsoft try to install linux on this device just like they did with the original xbox. Homebrews will also try to install games not meant for the device to play on this device and try to convert this device into a codec based device where you can install software like the VLC player or other codecs and play streaming video files or saved video files. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0You might not have made it through elementary school....
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0and ofcourse, some ***** went and bought http://www.microsoftorigami.com
- MindTrigger, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0That OQO thing looks pretty cool, but it's still a bit too small. Screen looks pretty close to my PDA running in landscape mode. I prefer something a little bigger.
- MindTrigger, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0
If this thing comes out, it won't be long before linux is running on it. You will see an Origami Linux site up a month before release. hehe - MindTrigger, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@jmcorm
It was a demo video of a prototype. If you notice, there wasn't a lot of microsoft product placement int he video at all. The concept that they were trying to put out there was "this thing has more power than a PDA".
Sorry if I sound like I'm getting all fired up, I'm not really. I just don't understand why it's so hard for you to see the market for thing thing. I guess it's because I could use one right now. You probably have no need for something this size at all.
Anyway, I know I was talking a little smack. Nothing personal, bud. - jmccorm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0HALO: Watching the video again, the frame rate on that Halo game was actually far less than the Microsoft video. I don't see how you could seriously intend to play Halo on that game... much less play it wireless, without being frag meat. Framerate=life. The Origami doesn't have the power.
- MindTrigger, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0
^^
Cyber squaters are pieces of *****. They remind me of all the patent holding companies out there which produce NOTHING, but stifle innovation by litigating for license fees. Useless scum, all of them. - ozzloy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0anyone know of other devices like this that run something other than windows?
more stuff like the pepper that runs linux mentioned earlier? - jmccorm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0> This is a new(er) form factor that sits IN BETWEEN the two sizes,
> and has a LOT more power than a stupid PDA.
If it has significantly more "power" (which you're not saying what "power" is), I haven't seen it so far. What is thie elusive power that only the Origami has? Halo? A Microsoft game? Is that it? What an "excitingly crippled" experience that must have been compared to a full-blown PC. Yes, it is a larger form factor / bigger screen. Everything else I've seen is Palm Pilot material. Drawing, sending email wirelessly, sending pictures, viewing video. Big deal.
> One example is my home wireless network. "it's a lot easier to lug
> from room to room or out by the pool than a full size laptop."
A Palm Pilot is even easier because it was in your pocket the whole time and you forgot about it. Yup. Screen sizes on the palm sized devices aren't optimum for web browing, I'll concede that very same point to you again! The Origami is a Palm Pilot with a large screen.
> I also do a lot of hiking, camping, quad riding and a
> lot of work out in the field where a PDA doesn't cut it,
> and a laptop is too damn big.
You're kidding. Right? You've got some intensive work going on that is too heavy-duty for a palm-sized device, yet not heavy duty enough for a PC. You're totally unwilling to carry around a small laptop to do the job? Yet somehow this device is just the perfect size? Give me a break. This is what we call a niche' product.
You then go on to rant and rave about Palm OS without really making any significant points. Fine, whatever. I'm not saying that Palm is the savior of the world. I'm just saying the Origami is totally nothing new and barely interesting. Just a PDA with a big screen. Big deal. All hype. - history1me, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@ jmccorm
Oh, please do!!! that would be cool! - einfeldt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Since we're talking about handheld computers, don't forget about the OQO. It's more pricey than the Toshiba Libretto, but it is much smaller than the Toshiba Libretto. Plus, you can install Linux on it.
http://www.oqo.com - justin22290, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0people keep saying its a PDA or just like a Palm pilot... but im sure that they filled all that extra space with something. Im saying that it will be most likely much more powerful and much faster.... this mos def isn't innovation.. unless the final version fold into crazy stuff like it was intented to hence the name... but were are my projected keyboards!
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Apple < SonySonicStage
- jmccorm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0> ...and if the Palm TX was TWICE the size it is... I'd own it already.
> The screen is too small to be really useful.
I can understand that and agree with that. I'd love a palm pilot with a bigger screen. Partly for the extra resolution, partly to make it easier to hit buttons and boxes with my fingernail when I don't have the stylus handy. - FishyJoe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I'll say again, Toshiba Libretto.
2.1 lbs, 210mm x 165mm x 29.8mm
1.2 GHz Pentium M
Not flying off the shelves, expensive. Runs XP pro.
Don't see how Origami is going to be much more than the Libretto other than the flip screen and pen. - jmccorm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0> but im sure that they filled all that extra space with something.
> Im saying that it will be most likely much more powerful and much faster....
Extra space? What will it be used for?
Heat supression and larger battery, both caused by a faster CPU. A faster CPU is required because the OS will be inefficient. A Palm Pilot is able to be small because the apps are coded very efficiently and make excellent use of a ~300mhz processor to be exceptionally quick.
I'm hammering my point a little too hard. But basically, I think the size in here is more the form factor they're shooting for. As far as powerful/fast, you've already got that in a non-Windows OS. It isn't a joke. These things can scream with little CPUs because they don't have the bloat and the legacy. So I just don't buy a, "Palm Pilot, but more powerful, because it is bigger!" argument.
It *is* just a PDA from everything they've shown in their video. Totally 100% PDA material. What, do I have to make my own video and re-enact everything they did with my Palm Pilot to show you? - Cronus6, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0 jmccorm : "YOUR ORIGAMI IS ALREADY HERE. NOW. "PALM TX" "
...and if the Palm TX was TWICE the size it is... I'd own it already. The screen is too small to be really useful. - MindTrigger, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0That dualcor has awesome features, but it couldn't be more horribly styled if they stuck the components into a hardened turd. Still, I'd like to try one out and see if it fills my need for an "in-between" sized machine.
- SFBay, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0The japanese won't be happy about the name. You might think that it's just a neutral word denoting folding paper, but it's actually quite a special ritual for them, and they'll hate the name being hijacked.
So, kiss the Jap market goodbye!
On another note - I actually really would like a small computer like this, with GPS, wireless, and all the trappings. I just don't want it to be made by MS. Apple .. please? before it's too late? - justin22290, on 10/12/2007, -0/+08086ed... man... where would i be with out your guidance ?
- Lynxpro, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0
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