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- grizwald, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8i will just install the 'no monitor crack' .. i dunno about u guys
- logden, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4"It won't make any difference. You cannot play this protected content in Linux either. Microsoft is just providing a way for you to view it. They aren't putting it in. The MIAA is. "
While this is true it is naive to think that Microsoft doesn't have a strong vested interest in this. The mere fact that they are able to implement this means that people who care about content produced by MPAA/RIAA member organizations will have to buy Windows (or possibly A Mac when they jump on board with this) to play the content.
The real losers in this battle are the consumers and people who prefer to use non-commercial software (i.e. Linux). We will be locked out of the major market content because we will not have access to the DRM. It will help to solidify Microsoft's stranglehold on the desktop.
The sad part of this whole thing, is though I agree it is doomed to failure in the long run, it will take a great deal of time for us to get to that point. During that time people like me will be forced to do one of two things. 1) Do without major market content (Hollywood Movies/Major Music Acts) or 2) Commit criminal acts under the DMCA to allow the content I legally obtained to be viewed on hardware that I purchased (my own personal property).
Allowing content creators to define the standards for which content delivery is allowed and allowing the company with a monopoly share of the desktop market share nearly exclusive access to said content is a scary proposition. - mcbesq, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Dear Bill
I don't know how to thank you enough. First, you came out with a media player that could barely sync with mp3 players, giving my iPod the edge it needed to take over the portable music department.
Next, you kept taking Longhorn...oops, Vista, back to square one because the code was too unweildy, poorly connected, and completely insecure, allowing Aqua, Jaguar, Panther, and Tiger to come out while your OS stayed vaporware.
And now, your DRM deals with Hollywood have resurrected my Switch campaign. You have succeeded where I failed by giving consumers a REAL reason to switch. After all, if a buyer needs to upgrade his/her whole system just to use the newest DVD technology, why not go Mac. After all, being based on Linux, it's much more stable. Plus, it is upgraded regularly, as opposed to patched.
For $2,000, I think the average user may finally be ready for a Mac. Way to botch Vista before it even ships.
Many thanks and warm regards
Steve
P.S. - Good move with the re-org. Maybe you should ditch the OS unit though and stick with Office and XBox. The OS war is so 1990's - ziffel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I don't believe this will be an issue. There were also a hundred of these type reports pre-XP, and they turned out to be overblown hype and non-issues. Remember the whole "you'll have to call in to activate XP" and "XP will monitor hardware changes" stuff? Yeah, NON-ISSUE. DRM will never work, people aren't going to accept less freedom. RIAA and MPAA are fighting a losing battle and we all know it. If MS and Intel want to jump in bed with them, they'll go down too.
By the time Vista comes out, OSX and Linux will have made even greater strides, and people will be switching in droves. The OS should be a near invisible shell, not attempt to man-handle you and your software. MS needs to learn this.
As for RIAA ... fu**ing ADAPT, dumbasses. - krayz, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4'I refuse to switch to XP. No way in hell I'm getting this peice of garbage. Maybe it's time to switch to linux.'
learn what each operating system is called before you decide which one is better - MisterKen, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2It seems that along with Vista, many people will need to upgrade hardware just to use it.
Along comes Apple with it's new Intel based machines and all the know-how for you to say goodbye to M$, your virus problems and all those weird issues when you add hardware.
I'm also loving the PR spin lately. You have Bill & Co. getting cozy with the movie studios and record companies, virtually having them design the DRM for the OS. On the other side you have Jobs calling the record companies 'greedy' in public.
Who do you think the public would trust?
The times they are about to change...again. - RadicalBender, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Wow. More new reasons to upgrade. It's amazing that Microsoft hasn't figured out why so many still haven't even upgraded from Windows 2000 yet and probably never will...
- Lynn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Please read what archer75 said:
You cannot play this protected content in Linux either. Microsoft is just providing a way for you to view it. They aren't putting it in. The MIAA is. You can't view this content in Linux, OSX or earlier versions of Windows. ONLY IN VISTA. You are being given an option to view this content that no other company is giving you.
and digitaltrav:
Apple will be like Vista and show the "monitor revoked" message, or be like XP and just not play the content at all.
So the title of this article could easily be "Apple will ignore your monitor"
Blame the MPAA/RIAA not Microsoft or Apple. - Rocketguy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Easy solution - simply ignore both Microsoft Vista and all protected content. I'm doing just fine without Hollywood's products in my life.
- kab3wm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Geezus christ.. I can't believe all of the tards posting here. If you think that Vista is the problem here and that switching to another OS is going to fix your problems, then you should probably just stick with Windows. Linus Torvalds himself has said DRM has to be addressed in Linux. If it's not, then Linux will go the way of the dinosaur. And all of the OS X lover's out there.. I guess you didn't notice everything you've purchased from iTunes has DRM? And that you can't drop your purchased iTunes music on any other mp3 player but your ipod? It's the same freakin thing. I'm no windows fan either, but geezus.. please get a clue before babbling like a retard.
- RayMetz100, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I bet Microsoft Vista will run HDDVDs and Blue-Ray legally before MacOS and Linux do. Imagine trying to buy HDMI compliant video and monitor drivers for your Linux box. Not going to happen soon.
I bet Windows XP will also run them before Linux. Weather it's a legal 3rd party solution, a Microsoft Add-On, or a crack, I bet it will happen on XP before Linux.
I bet another 50+ GB blue laser writable media technology with no encryption will come out and run on Vista / XP before it does on Linux and MacOS.
I bet the Internet or Internet2 will someday soon have many 15+GB full HDTV resolution movies available to download with no encryption. I bet those unprotected video compression and peer-to-peer free download tools will be more prevalent and refined on XP and Vista than any other platform.
I thank Microsoft for being a leader and supporting this new technology in the only legal way they can at the moment. I also thank them for providing expandable platforms such as Windows XP that can run bit-torrent, XVID, and DIVX so people don't have to pay for content if they don't want to.
When will Apple, Linux, Google, and the other wanna-bes catch up? I don't know. But I bet it won't be until well after Microsoft has replaced Vista by another blockbuster Microsoft operating system. - vernsan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Okay seriously everyone, this info is from "The Inquirer". They are not to be trusted AT ALL! On the other note, why would people do the the screen revoked thing, how would you take the content away so u can get back to your work? It would even make the people working on Windows itself pretty mad. What if a virus got out making everyones windows to give the Revokes screen message, wouldn't that be pretty stupid. Think people THINK they wouldn't do it because it can cause mass mayhem.
- drpunkerz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Cheapdigwannbe,
Did you ever hear about Microsoft BOB?
;) - DeathSun, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I would LOVE to be a Linux geek--I honostly tried to, but it is NOT ready for the mainstream. Sorry, kids, Grampa and Grandma does want to learn how to mount devices or how you need to compile some programs. It very well may be more stable and more secure--but they haven't grasped the user-interface portion of the show (but I've seen some fair attempts). Let's not even go into how to explain to a non geek what a Linux distro is, and what's the difference between the four billion versions out there. There's also a serious lack of 3rd party software support (though I do like open-source software, I want PHOTOSHOP and NOT The Gimp).
It's not that believe Linux will NEVER make the mainstream, I'm just saying it's too complex for "Average Joe" to switch right now. Perhaps the problem is that the nerds are the only one willing to take that kind of time (although I'm not, so I came back to Windows).
I'd also love to be a Mac kid (and I'm a graphic artist, so I'm apparently supposed to). Mac's learning curve isn't as bad as Linux--and it's pretty. It's also very expensive (until the Mac Mini, a high end PC cost the same as a entry level Mac). On top of that, I can't go to Best Buy and buy software. I'd have to go to the yuppie mall and go to the "Apple Store" and get talked down to by some elitist ***** who doesn't quite get that just because his store is shiney and bright, he still is a half a step away from being an usher at the AMC on the other end of the mall. Also, last time I checked, Macs do not have a huge selection of games (yes, I know some exist, but you cannot honostly believe that the variety of games can be found on the Mac).
I also remember a story about Apple using this same sort of DRM technology in their upcoming Intel boxes.
...so please explain how you really expect me to switch to either? Every operating system has its issues. XP lets me do everything I need to...and is very convenient for both ease-of-use and software availability.
So perhaps, instead of bullet points on the OS war, we start fighting against DRMs in general--or perhaps for fairer uses of DRMs. I'm less worried about evil 'ol Microsoft, and more worried about were the recording industry, movie industry, etc. are heading with obsured DRM technology.
What happened to creating open standards? What happened to fair use?! - mitsuogs, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I can see it now.. New York Times headline, "Microsoft Vista plagued by 'monitor revoked' worm."
- WonkoTheSane, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Hasnt microsoft already pointed out that most content providers have agreed to not completely blank the disply but just present the non HD content instead?
I don;t like the idea that the content providers can decide how and where i can view their content. Their terms may be OK for now, but they can always change their minds later.
I guess Buying "premium content" will ba out of the question for me. Thank god for P2P.
DRM lowers the value of any content - ModernTenshi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I don't mind DRM, but when it goes and makes me have to upgrade my entire ***** system just to work, that pisses me off. Seriously, if they implement it correctly at the software level, it's effective enough.
- CheapDigWannbe, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Since Mac is growing quite fast, Linux is spreading like bird flu, MS might F&*$& themselves up by doing stupid things like that. Unless Vista will have some amazing things to overweigh its overthetop content security it might be the most successful failure of MS.
- OrangeTide, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"Easy solution - simply ignore both Microsoft Vista and all protected content. I'm doing just fine without Hollywood's products in my life." -- rocketguy
Right on! I'm kind of sick of multimillion dollar craptastic films anyways!
They release thin plots with 1 dimensional characters and get upset when people don't pay $10.50 to see them. And when they have the rare 2 dimensional character, all the critics wet thier pants in excitement. (2 dimesions aren't enough!) Quite frankly most of these hollywood films aren't worth seeing, let alone bother pirating them. - mercury81, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1This sounds like BS to me, although it is coming from Inquirer so that is hardly a startling revelation.
- jdavis, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1What the ***** is wrong with DVD!!!!!!
VHS Lasted like 20 years...
DVD's have only been "widely" used for about 5-6. Why the need for this urgent upgrade? apart from to add more DRM that will be cracked by DVD Jon or someone else in a week! It seems these days that the media formats are increasingly controlled by the computer industry. - ManiacFive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1PLEASE READ THIS ARTICLE:
http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000143050582/
which kinda explains the whole block your monitor thing, then come and post when you realise that this isnt that big a deal after all. - WayneMan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"Monitor Revoked" = "Go Install Linux"
- furiouszebra, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"i will just install the 'no monitor crack' .. i dunno about u guys"
How are you going to do that without a working monitor? - lollerskates, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I'm sure Linux will allow you to watch DRMed content with a few shady packagers, much like how you can watch wmv's on Linux with the codec packs.
- oepapel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"I can see it now.. New York Times headline, "Microsoft Vista plagued by 'monitor revoked' worm." "
I know you meant this as a joke but I can totally see someone writing a virus that causes your DRM friendly monitor to become a DRM unfriendly monitor thereby destroying the market for DRM enabled content. This would have no effect on non-DRM content and it would become the de-facto standard no matter what hollywood and Microsoft did. - rosemat2, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0haha a google os would be nice, but untill then linux is the way, all this drm/protected crap with microsoft just sucks
- jarinudom, on 03/31/2008, -0/+0Dont worry, DVD Jon will take care of everything :)
- mcbesq, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Thank goodness.
Just checked. My TV's HDMI is HDMI/HDCP. Phew! For $2K, a TV should last a decade. - pillfred, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0The more off this shat I read Linux sounds better. Now I know that gets said a lot but really. Sure I will most likely dual boot XP so as too play games but that would be about it. I'm sure that what ever else i would ever want to do could be accomplished in Linux. But then again that's just me.
- spartan777, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0zenghost: ME!
- puttly, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0It wont happen, and if it does there will be a way around it, dont worry...
- ChazKato, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0haha, ill stay w/ 2000 and linux on my main comp thanks
- kab3wm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Xedion, Fairplay has restrictions too. Sure, you can burn an unlimited amount of playlists, but you can only burn the same playlist 7 times. So technically, you can only burn a purchased CD seven times before iTunes "locks it out". I'm sure Quicktime ( Like WMP ) will implement DRM restrictions in the future as well. It's the only way to keep the RIAA/MPAA happy. If they don't, then Mac user's just won't be able to view any restricted content. Period. Same goes for Linux. I'm not complaining about Mac OS X, but you guys need to realize this isn't just a Microsoft problem.
- Alaerus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I _really_ hope all the game developers out there are READING this stuff.....the only reason I still run XP is for the games that have to use it (like my love GuildWars). Once games start coming out for Mac/Linux/_insert any other non-MS OS here_ then I'll be deleting that Windows partition for good.
- tehLazyPirate, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I'll believe this when they release vista...
i guess ill be waiting for a LONG time.
+digg - WarDragon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0No more Windows for me.
- Gills, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0And they all went to linux and Mac OS X...
- crazyfan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Everyone keeps saying that there will be a hack asap that will loophole this DRM but as of now DRM hasnt been cracked except once and then it was fixed almost immediatly.
They need to start working on this. - mcbesq, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@lynn
Please source your claim that HDCP tv is required.
From what I understood, TV's, falling under the purview of FCC, are still fighting the broadcast flag war. I doubt that TV manufacturers (many of whom will be making next-gen DVD players) want to anger consumers by making them spend another $3K to $5K for an HDCP compliant tv after only 3 years, or to have to retool to include another content-provider-mandated "feature"
HDTV is still not widely accepted. Next-gen DVD hasn't even been released for consumers. The manufacturers are aiming for ease of use and low-cost. Therefore, the HDCP-compliant TV claim seems dubious. - doncampbell, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Come on guys and girls - don't fall for this. I know for a fact this is not going to happen. Besides, the inquirer.net is hardly a reliable source.
- mcbesq, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0This all begs the question, why on earth are the tech companies being so spineless and caving to MPAA/RIAA demands. At least Jobs had the brass to call the RIAA on their demand for profit-sharing on iPod sales. He knew he was holding the cards and wasn't afraid to say it.
Regardless of the source, MS has been on record for the past couple of years saying how much DRM they are going to put into their OS. WMA was all about DRM (although it also has pretty good, albeit light-on-the-low-end reproduction). Ultimately, traditional fair use rights of time-shifting and space-shifting are being eaten away. The plans for broadcast-flags and HDCP are merely another example of this erosion.
DRM is largely benign and valid when properly used in a limited context. The perfect example is the iPod, whose DRM allows space-shifting to multiple computers simultaneously. This, however, is abusive towards the consumer and will ultimately fail. HD-DVD and Blu-ray are pre-nascent. Locking them down, even to stop piracy, will prevent adoption of the new technology by the public. How can one experience any benefit from a new format if one is not permitted to view it except on certain equipment. The last thing the average consumer needs is another stat to memorize (clock-speed, processor iteration, drive size, memory, video memory, OS, optical drive(s), monitor res., monitor size).
Ultimately, it's a money grab. There is no reason I should have to upgrade a perfectly good monitor with my OS were I to want to use it content I have legally purchased. From what I have heard, the HDCP-compliant monitor, while ostensibly preventing piracy, is required to view the legally purchased, unadultered content.
Cracks and hacks will appear, providing another example of the industry forcing consumers to become criminals. No one wins in this situation. Allow consumers to buy and use content with ease, when and where they want, and the revenue will flow. - TKDWILSON, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0There will just be a crack. So law abiding people will not be able to use their monitor, but pirates like us will.
Eric WIlson - ManiacFive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Oh, and the thing about the DRM in iTunes is, your average user doesnt notice it. which if you think about it, is EXACTLY the way it should be. How many computers can i autorise? how many cd's can i burn with it? perfect.
GO STEVE J!!! Please let other companies learn from that example - xedeon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0***** Linux. ***** Microsoft. ***** Apple. We need a Google OS"
"***** Linux, ***** Apple"
Well ***** u too buddy do your homework!
"***** Microsoft"
Cheers to that!
We need a Google OS
"Not gonna happen (well not in the next 5 years)" - NeilM, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0625 million reasons to go with Blue Ray and to pie Bill Gates if you see him.
- Lynn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Sorry to scare you mcbesq. It is good news that your TV is HDCP. What TV did you buy? I have the Toshiba 52HM84 and I could never go back to standard definition.
- Lynn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0By the way, HD-DVD/Blu-ray have Mandatory HDCP encrypted output. So you will see HDCP support from Apple on Leopard (Mac OS X 10.5) or sooner. Our Linux friends have a big problem, because HDCP has to be commercially
licensed. The GPL prevents Linux from shipping with any licensed software. So no High-Definition for Linux. If you want to watch HD on your computer then Vista will be the only way until Leopard. The mentally acute will understand this, the rest will continue to post "I am switching to Linux" or "M$ sucks". - xedeon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0DRM is not bad if well executed like Fairplay but knowing microsoft, I HIGHLY doubt that they will implement anything that is intuitive after all Microsoft ONLY listens and cares about BIG companies and the enterprise market beacause those people have no other choice (Baldy Ballmer (
- zenghost, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0guess who won't be upgrading?? and guess who's more likely to switch to linux?
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