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- chrono13, on 10/12/2007, -2/+23Calm down Beavis.
- strictnein, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14You've been reading digg for about a year and you still don't get it? WTF.
- HAKdragon, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13bebop, you know that the kernel and underlying Unix system in OS X is open source and available (and has been for a long time) from Apple, right?
http://www.opensource.apple.com/darwinsource/ - dimension128, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8"Microsoft Opens Vista Kernel to Rivals" misleading title, API != kernel source.
- Pigeon, on 10/12/2007, -6/+12*sigh*
It's easy to get files from a PC that won't boot into Windows. It's just that your obviously an idiot. - OhJay, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Unix is certainly not "meant to be free".
Some Unix-variants happen to be Free, but to claim that they are all Free (BSD/GPL-style?) is wrong. - joe90210, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7patchguard is not hacked, that article is about a pre-beta 2 version of vista
- breakaway, on 10/12/2007, -7/+12That's because its Unix. It's meant to be free. They just cashed in on open source software.
- anphanax, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5"they wouldn't dare as there's so much stolen code in there!"
That's a pretty serious accusation... You have any proof of that claim?
(Saying "prove there isn't" won't work. The burden of proof lies on you because you made the claim) - Roryking, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I see what you did there :-)
- Majin, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6heres the thing vista isn't about delivering on the customers needs or wants... vista is about realizing the control over consumers that only a monopoly can deliver. vista is about redefining what consumers will and more importantly will not be permitted to do with microsofts property and by that i mean both the copy of vista that you pay for and do not own and the device that u are now in essence giving to microsoft via exlusive rights defined in the eula this device previously referred to as YOUR computer.
- bebop717, on 10/12/2007, -10/+14Cupertino start your copy machines!
(I'm looking foward to be buried, while others will want to cremate me) - geekitechture, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5True. When Microsoft first refused to allow anti-virus companies access to the kernel, the debate on Digg was whether preventing access would make Vista more secure. Some arguments convinced me that it is safer to keep everyone out, but the problem is, you can keep out hackers for only so long. Letting the anti-virus companies have first crack at it is the lesser of two evils, looked at that way.
Why Microsoft won't write their own anti-virus product is a mystery for the ages. No one knows their product better than they do. So why won't they take the reins? - gotamd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3The problem is that I can actually do more of what I want to do with Windows than I can with Linux, and it's easier. Don't get me wrong, I love Linux. I just find that from hardware support to gaming, Windows allows me more freedom to choose what hardware I use and has the largest selection of software to choose from. I know that's a different kind of freedom from what you're referring to, but it is still freedom. On the other hand, AFAIK Vista just *supports* DRM. It doesn't force it on me. Songs I rip from CD's or get online without DRM will not get magically DRM-infected and Microsoft just *supports* the DRM schemes of HD-DVD, etc. Ironically, Slysoft's AnyDVD software now works on 64-bit Vista, so it may be even less of a problem in the future than it appears.
- gotamd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3geekitechture: You must have a really short memory. XP was definitely less hackable than Windows 9x. That really doesn't say too much though...however, I haven't had any problems after switching to Mozilla/Firefox. Most of the widespread Windows problems lie in user error.
- MioTheGreat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"It's easy to get files from a PC that won't boot into Windows."
Not if you're using bitlocker. Though, since he said "My" documents, he's obviously not running Vista. Yes, I'd say he's an idiot. - Halodude1489, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Mictester- Go hide your mac whore hole and shut the hell up. You have no idea what your talking about.
- TheMeanMarine, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Microsoft has its called OneCare and its currently in beta.
- RedIcculus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2The kernel is by no means "unprotected". They just released API's to be able to interact with it.
For more information: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/API - breakaway, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I never said anything about GPL.
- zacmccormick, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1My problem with anti-virus software is that I rather lose all my work and have to redo it the one time I do get a virus, then have anti-virus software running, constantly using more cpu and memory, nagging me and bogging down my system every last second I use the machine. Antivirus software is THE most intrusive software available for Windows, it beats most adware and viruses. Having antivirus running affects every single thing you do on a computer. It has hooks into every file operation, every registry operation, and it costs a lot in performance. It's just absurd for an advanced user to have this ***** affecting their computer use. The time I lose clicking through autoupdate screens and lost cpu ticks from useless checks on files I know for a fact aren't viruses just make it not worth it. If you are an antivirus user and you think you can't live without it, ask yourself why. If that reason is because you have files on your computer that you can't afford to lose, then you need to get with the program and back up your serious work to another place regularly anyways. If you think that a virus is the only way you can lose your hard work then you are wrong!
- mtappenden, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5I dugg EVERYTHING on this page down. Now digg me down whores!
- zacmccormick, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@geekitechture
I find it amusing how much offense you took to my comment, and simultaneously feel sad for you that you are unable to use a computer without getting a virus. I'm also dumbfounded at how blatantly disrespectful you are to me.
"What if everything you want on the PC, like pictures, emails and your work is not fully backed up when the virus takes it all away? Then it's gone forever, isn't it, and who is to blame?"
Uhmm, I said back things up regularly... in which case the damages would be very minimal. And yes, they are gone forever, but that's the EXACT same thing that happens when you get a virus when you have anti-virus. You are saying I am naive, yet you are the one who seems to think anti-virus is absolute protection, and of course that is nowhere near the truth. The most damaging viruses are 0-day ones that no one is protected from anyways. And who is to blame? Who cares? How does blaming someone get your files back? It doesn't make any difference.
"I cannot use words to describe how stupid you two are"
I cannot use words to describe how stupid people who call other people stupid on the internet without even knowing anything about them or their opinions are, see? we can both play that game.
"Firefox, you numbskulls, is not the answer to internet security."
.. And no one here ever said it was, you apparently put those words into my mouth. I never even mentioned the word firefox.
"Yes, I'm directing that at both of you and the legion of dimwits just like you."
Legion of dimwits? You don't even know me, lol.
Now go on and keep scanning for your little viruses while I write the code for the next anti-virus app you noobs will use. - Mistuke, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Indeed, the title is very missleading, and i for one think they did it to cover their own butts from we european *****.
- badriram, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1ummm... Config.sys was used in DOS/Win9x/WinME. It is not used in the NT/XP/2003/Vista at all. So he has a filesystem formated in FAT, so just about any OS (*nix, os x, windows, dos) will read his old hard drive.
- Kuipo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2[whiny voice] but but... Vista is supposed to be NATIVE 64 bit!
[/sarcasm] - gotamd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1zacmccormick: Alternatively, you could get an antivirus application which only scans on demand or set your AV app to only scan on demand and not on access.
I personally don't use an antivirus application most of the time either, though they are definitely useful when downloading from untrustworthy sources. - Majin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1microsoft did have an antivirus of its own ... if ude like to call it that ,it at one time branded the central point antivirus as its own .... now also known as norton antivirus ..............vista is just an example of why you dont ***** where you live.
- zacmccormick, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Why do you think they removed the "My" prefix from all of the common folder names in Vista? It used to be called "My Computer" but not it's really not your computer anymore, so they just named it "Computer" :)
(sarcasm) - geekitechture, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1>Because by doing so they are essentially intimating that the OS is inherently insecure.
They won't be "intimating" anything; it's gotten way too late in the game for it to come on like a subtle hint. We all know XP was the most hackable piece of ***** Redmond ever had the nerve to charge us money for. Vista *sounds* like it's more secure than XP right out of the box, but as I suggested in my last comment, they should bundle advanced firewall, anti-virus and anti-malware protection with each copy of XP and Vista. That's only fair to people who pay an arm and leg for their software, that they make protectiing it as mindless and efficient as possible. Defending the computer should not be OUR responsibiblty, it should be THEIRS.
'nuff said. - dgblackout, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2that is not a good thing.
but oh well, it's not like i'm going to be bothered by it.
i thought microsoft was doing something good by keeping the kernel to itself, so others didn't get it.
is this in the 32bit version or just the 64bit one? i'd not be surprised to find it only in the 32 one, they're a lot more secure with the 64 bit one. - geekitechture, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@zacmccormick and gotamd: You don't use anti-virus? That's like saying "I lose my work whenever someone feels like it, doesn't matter if I'm in the middle of writing a report or updating my blog or IM'ing somebody or...." Stupid, stupid, stupid, I cannot use words to describe how stupid you two are. Maybe an interpretive dance would get closer to what I'm feeling right now, one where I stomp and make faces and point and laugh at both of you.
What if everything you want on the PC, like pictures, emails and your work is not fully backed up when the virus takes it all away? Then it's gone forever, isn't it, and who is to blame? This ***** that antivirus is a resource eating hog is not always true. Use one that is extremely light on its feet like AVG and you will never look back. I have only 500 megs of RAM, 1.8 CPU on an XP Home, and my computer flies. It flies. I have no delays on anything. I can open Picasa, Firefox, several copies of Notepad, a couple of anti-malware programs, screencap and my email all at once and there's no lag. It scans and updates when I'm sleeping, it does not get in my way.
Firefox, you numbskulls, is not the answer to internet security. Every time you repeat that ***** you convince newbies and people who are just leaving dimwitted ISPs like AOL that all they need is a little FF and everything will be fine. There should be a moratorium on people who blithely spread such misinformation until their grasp of things like computer protection can be proven somehow. Yes, I'm directing that at both of you and the legion of dimwits just like you. - CraigRat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@geekitechture
>Why Microsoft won't write their own anti-virus product is a mystery for the ages.
Because by doing so they are essentially intimating that the OS is inherently insecure. - drilldown, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1I get very few takers on the best of days/nights. There's always tomorrow night :
- drilldown, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1Middle of the night? Not possible.
- tytanium0503, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1shame... I was kindof hoping for one. It was getting kind of boring. :
- geekitechture, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1That's for XP, silly, not Vista. Microsoft may produce OneCare for Vista "in the future," but they're not on it right now. Source:
http://www.windows-now.com/blogs/bleblanc/archive/2006/01/31/15760.aspx
I say they should keep the kernal closed, bundle their own advanced firewall, anti-virus, anti-spyware, and anti-malware protection with every copy of XP, and let us relax. You have to arm a computer to the eyeteeth to defend it, and rely on outside vendors for such protection, and often pay a pretty penny for it, too. That's all wrong. Microsoft products would be much more enjoyable without all the thought that we have to give to how to protect them. - crazySeattleKid, on 10/12/2007, -7/+2time after time i think to myself... "Should I buy a MAC?"
- tytanium0503, on 10/12/2007, -7/+2what is.. this.. i feel?. a digg down fest?...
- drilldown, on 10/12/2007, -6/+1Thank you,
I try to excel in what I do :-) - drilldown, on 10/12/2007, -6/+1Done for the night. And I leave the last drunkenly cogent thoughts of this night for your consideration.
Leave hope at the door all ye who enter here.
Send a postcard to a distant friend this/next Christmas/years end etc. Or, just write them. Get their address etc. and just do it. Invigorating. Somewhere along the line... I promised.
http://sonic.net/~doretk/ArchiveARCHIVE/Prison/prispoem.html
http://www.comedyzine.com/poems40.html
http://www.motherbird.com/hochi.html
http://www.worldwideschool.org/library/books/lit/poetry/thelucastapoems/chap33.html
It's a Christmas thing.
Poetry for the jail cell. Taking notes on Christmas day.
(Anyone notice that all programs are set to recreate themselves from a crash under windows lately? Or just a fast and inconvenient shutdown.) - tytanium0503, on 10/12/2007, -6/+1lol.. that rant was awesome
- Geckomind, on 10/12/2007, -11/+5Noooooo...... Nooooo..... They didn't? Did they? Arghhh-- Why? There goes Steve Gibson's nice vision of a protected fully Windows kernel.
- MagicBobert, on 10/12/2007, -9/+3Indeed. Microsoft officially blew it and Vista is no longer as secure as it could have been.
Way to go Redmond! - jwhelan, on 10/12/2007, -7/+1agreed, total moron :-P
- Petronski, on 10/12/2007, -9/+2You mother shut up
C'mon get down with the sickness
Madness is the gift that has been given to **drilldown** - drilldown, on 10/12/2007, -9/+1DrillDown into the meat of the observation.
Paying attention? REALLY paying attention? Remote access built into Windows to frag a system at will. Frag this, and I'll be back. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -10/+2They have NOT actually "opened" the source to any third parties - they wouldn't dare as there's so much stolen code in there! Also, the 64-bit version doesn't actually exist - it doesn't really run any 64-bit code at all - it's just a re-badged 32-bit version. The DRM provisions and the fundamental insecurities make Windows unsuitable for use as an "operating system". It's fundamentally broken and they haven't got anyone capable of fixing it.
This IS the end for Microshaft.
Game Over. - strictnein, on 10/12/2007, -12/+4Let's see Linux do that!
- drilldown, on 10/12/2007, -10/+2Linux, Dos, OSX???
Dual boot? Rescue boot, kill boot.... illegal boot? Been there done that. If I knew I didn't have my files before the drive got fragged, I might have considered options.
Such is the pain. OTOH.... Pandora is loose. -
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