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- moiety, on 10/12/2007, -32/+98Don't be an *****, you both posted within minutes of eachother. It happens, move on.
- mohrt, on 10/12/2007, -22/+60site is kinda slow, there is already a mirror posted here:
http://www.google.com/ - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -22/+38It loaded quickly-ish for me, but it looks like it's one giant FLASH page. There were three seperate flash "clock" things that spun around until the items actually loaded. Lame. And I'm not a big fan of gradients. That's so 1980s, yet every damn website uses them now.
Really, that live.com site looks EXACTLY like every other website out there:
+ Heavy use of blue - check
+ Gradients - check
+ Small fonts - check
+ Rounded corners - check
+ Flash or other weird loading stuff that requires spinners/load bars - check
+ Application-esque icons - check
+ Apple-esque shine - check
+ Shaded text fields - check
Boy, google - you better be quaking in your boots. *yawn* - ThinkFr33ly, on 10/12/2007, -7/+19I think it's pretty awesome. The image search is fantastic, and I really like the way there are no pages. There is just one continuous list of search results that are loaded as you scroll.
Being a beta, and being slammed by Digg and Slashdot, I'm actually quite impressed with the speed. Once it's launched as a full fledged service I'm sure it will be lightning fast. - jasoneisen, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11I found something really interesting.
Do a view -> source and check the code. There's a line here in a script authored by omniture.com, which looks like a cut and paste hack thing with the "/************* DO NOT ALTER ANYTHING BELOW THIS LINE ! **************/" stuff, reminds me of some web programming tutorials....
Anywhere here's the line I find interesting:
document.write(" "); /* normalizes ie and ff, else ie sees an additional top margin */
A perfect example of IE not sticking to standards? - wakest, on 10/12/2007, -11/+19Doesn't seem to work what so ever in Safari.
- crpietschmann, on 10/12/2007, -5/+13Cool I found a bug!
1) once the page loads click the search button at the top without typing in anything to search for.
2) click ok on the "Please Enter a Query" message box that pops up.
3) and like magic everything on the page dissapears except for the stuff at the very top of the page. - Petronski, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9And you all better use it or Balmer will throw a ***** chair at you.
DUCK! - ravis31, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11works quite well in firefox.
The content adding pane reminds me of something....
EDIT:OMG you can have more than one page!!!! - xodex, on 10/12/2007, -12/+19loading.... (it's been loading for the past 5mins now) Opera 8.53
- wtfdan, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8I know there is a lot of anti-Microsoft sentiment floating around here, but if you can push it aside for a moment and just see things for the way they are, you'd notice that Microsoft is trying to catch up.
They're not bragging that they're better; or at least they aren't pushing it in the mainstream media.
They really have come a long way in a short amount of time. Granted, I won't use any of their new toys just yet, because they're still underdeveloped, but I think they're going to have some nice competition for the almighty Google in the near future.
Personally, I'd like to see choice of search engine and POP3 support come to both Microsoft and Google's AJAX homepages. - dotwhynot, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6>Start.com = ripoff of Google.com/IG
To be fair, it was actually the other way around. Even Slashdot posted a correction on this. Start.com came first, Google/ig was launched later and was clearly the copy this time (hard as that is to believe for some :) - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -12/+18I'd say you got owned. Anyways, the site looks pretty good. I noticed some bugs are in Firefox that aren't in IE... go figure. :)
- 0gre, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Just looking at the search page, I wonder what the site is like to a dial-up user? It seems a bit sluggish to me and I have >T1 access here. I like the no-pages thing but since it comes at the expense of not being able to accurately and quickly jump forwards or back to a section (page) of results and gives very poor visual feedback as to where you are in the results I give it a thumbs down overall.
I do like that you can search for RSS feeds and use it as an RSS browser right in the window, that is very sharp. I'm not sure if I would use it but they get a thumbs up for that anyways. One interesting and irritating thing is that the window that displays RSS feeds uses a normal scroll-bar while the search area uses that bizarro quasi slider.
I think they missed one of the reasons Google is so popular though and this will hurt them to some extent. Google's Search interface is super simple from all points of view, HTML, user experience, everything. A lot of people really like that and Google can be used by anyone at almost first glance. The non-intuitive scroll bar, lack of visual reference, and overall complexity of the entry page make it less usable for newbies and computerphobes. Also, links in the search window are not real links they are fuzzy links that redirect you. I REALLY like to be able to mouse over a link and see where it goes before clicking it.
Overall, an impressive effort from MS but I'm not sure if it isn't too much too late. - moiety, on 10/12/2007, -10/+16Wow... works under Firefox, and looks pretty sexy to boot.
- detrate, on 10/12/2007, -7/+13I got bored and after closing all the boxes, I decided to keep clicking 'add a page'... turns out the limit is 171... what an odd number
http://img359.imageshack.us/img359/677/lol1716gx.png - robunck, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8For those complaining about the gradients: you can turn them off under "settings." Choose white.
- duggDigg69, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7Wow did I miss the bus? I know we are all supose to hate microsoft and all but the search engine is hott. I mean that is the correct way to use Ajax. Look at it this way...how long untill google improves on it. I mean they are gonna have to because I for one am having a blast from just searching with microsoft! Sheat at this rate I may be buying my cofee at starbucks by next month.
- replica, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6What did they ripoff from Google? This site was built using ideas from start.com. Which was around long before google.com/ig.
- ddrirc, on 10/12/2007, -8/+12Same for Opera 9
- Quarem, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4They need to remove the in window scroll bar in the search results. The way it is done right now is incredibly annoying. How can they screw a simple thing like scroll bars up so badly?
- AlanSim, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Works on Camino.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -9/+13wow, the mirror looks better than this ;-)
- mongrel, on 10/12/2007, -7/+11I don't know if I like the way all this Web 2.0 junk is headed - basically now it doesn't matter that you have a cable connection, because every service has to "load." The only thing you're speeding up is your arrival at the load screen. The new Live Mail beta, Yahoo Mail beta, this live homepage, and on and on.
Loading... ... ... - embusa, on 10/12/2007, -11/+15You cannot be serious about liking the UI for this thing. Managing your search results is near impossible! That side scroll bar is both useless and unintuitive, you cannot use the find feature to look through the results, try hitting the back button and tell me what you get, and to top it off you have no good visual clue of how far into the results you've gone. The AJAXness has gone to the point of hindering the page overall.
- replica, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Try out the image search and the local map search. Very nice.
They also updated their live favorites site.
http://favorites.live.com/ - replica, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Pageflakes.com is a ripoff of live.com. Live has been around much longer.
- replica, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6What did they ripoff from Google? This site was built using ideas from start.com. Which was around long before google.com/ig.
- br0ken1128, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Funny ..
I tried in IE6 .. never finished loading, I tried in IE7 .. never finished loading... tried it in firefox .... it loaded.. lol - ChanKaiShi, on 10/12/2007, -7/+10"relies on javascript"? What do you prefer it to rely on? Flash? How do expect to get some interactivness without javasript? It's 21st century, stop using lynx for browsing.
- domokunt, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=www.yahoo.com&charset=%28detect+automatically%29&doctype=Inline
- SupaDawg, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5start.com is where this was birthed from. It seems it's pretty much dead now. Start has been around a long time, I assume it was just the testing ground that eventually became live, as they look (or used to look) pretty much identical.
- Quaitemp, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Yeah, that's exactly what www.google.com/ig lacks
No, English is not my primary language... :P - Judman, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Hmm, that search bar looks might familiar. Mirror it and it kinda looks like my spotli--- nah. Looks good, however still discriminates us Safari users. Booted it up in Firefox and its not too shabby. But, reminds me of Google Homepage also.
- DrunkMonk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Hover over the news item and a "+" and "-" will appear at bottom right, click "+" to show more and "-" to show less, which is better now?
- hashkaran, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6use http://www.start.com instead
- vermin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4With that scroll there's no way to easily tell how far you are down the page. Also with the image search you can't scroll down quickly since it has to load all the images on the fly. Why not do it the normal way? Some things were done nicely, but they really screwed up the scrolling part.
- iamsjn, on 10/12/2007, -9/+12Wow... I actually like it. I think I'll give this a test drive for awhile.
Dugg - replica, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Upper left shows exactly were you are in the results.
- Jammerdelray, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5great security scan, brand new live toolbar and alot more.
- Coreguy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2It is loading and loading, I am yawning and yawning...
- anamanaman, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4My favorite start page so far. I like it more than Netvibes, Pageflakes, and way more that google.com/ig
Compaint: way too slow. and lots of buggy widgets. Definately needs some major work
It's the one to watch though. Developers cant go wrong writing widgets for live.com since they are supposed to work flawlessly in Vista's new widget system too. Apparantly you can drag them back and forth. And it'll probably be the default homepage on the new OS, so they'll get some major marketshare that way. - rileyjt, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4I hate the search interface... I thought frames were nixed as bad UI years ago? Please don't tell me they are making a comeback! Not having paging and just dynamically loading the results as you scroll down? Seems awkward to me but maybe it is just because I am used to the old system. If they fixed the retarded scroll bars it might help.
The image search is pretty cool though, small thumbnails that zoom in closer with more info when you hover over them. I'm still not wild about the scrolling even though this scroll bar actually works.
One thing that is pretty nice is the detail adjuster that lets you strip away or add more descriptions of your search results. - murdoch, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2http://search.live.com/
- Smily, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I think the image search and description zoom are nice too, although the third description level is pretty dumb ATM (you are adding more description by putting a box to search within that site?)
It IS still beta though :) - jasoneisen, on 10/12/2007, -5/+7From microsoft's website:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;324279
"Internet Information Services (IIS) logging is designed to be more detailed than the event-logging or performance-monitoring features of Windows Server 2003. The IIS logs can include information such as who has visited your site, what they viewed, and when the information was viewed last. You can monitor attempts, either successful or unsuccessful, to access your Web sites, virtual folders, or files. This includes events such as reading the file or writing to the file. Events can be logged independently for any site, virtual folder, or file. By regularly reviewing these log files, you can detect areas of your server or your sites that may be subject to attacks or suffer from other security problems. "
Why are they using omniture.com for their analytics when they can create their own with their top-notch IIS??? - SupaDawg, on 10/12/2007, -7/+9very impressive. Some people obviolusly judge everything microsoft does by their name.
Something strage is that it doesnt seem to work 100% with the beta of IE7.... however I al very much impressed with the new look and the clean layout. Plenty of AJAXy goodness.
+digg , just because i've been so damn impressed with microsoft as of late. - mike_p, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3netvibes indeed works better... but I think everyone has to agree that the revised Live.com looks damn sexy... even in Firefox *gasp*
Who would've thought the day would come when Microsoft would support Firefox so flawlessly... Was that so hard MS? - senfo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4In my opinion, the web 2.0 search results page totally destroys everything. Just give me raw HTML and let me use my own scroll bar/wheel. They're totally overdoing it, in my humble opinion.
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