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- ColinDoody, on 10/12/2007, -26/+89May it also be noted that it isnt that difficult to attain marketshare when you force your software on people as critical updates ... not something to boast about microsoft
- orlandogeek, on 10/12/2007, -12/+71100 million downloads thanks to involuntarily pushing this out to everyone with Windows Update enabled. I'd wager that 97% of people who have it have no idea. The other 3% are probably people like myself. I've had IE7 installed on my machine for 3-4 months through the entire beta period. The final version is a significantly marked improvement over v6, but I still use Firefox as my primary browser.
- flernk, on 10/12/2007, -28/+70Um. No. Lets hope people start moving away from it entirely.
And I'd like to point out that "installs" doesn't mean "users," Microsoft. I count as one of your installs for testing, but I use Firefox exclusively. "25% of all Web surfers" isn't just a stretch, it's a lie. - ColinDoody, on 10/12/2007, -10/+45"To help our customers become more secure and up-to-date, Microsoft will distribute Internet Explorer 7 as a high-priority update via Automatic Updates."
Are you trying to tell me that figure being reported does NOT include the people that got IE7 forced on them and only includes people that went out seeking the web browser on their own? Please, reconsider your post.
Whatever userbase firefox has they should be proud of. Even if its 10% or less they should be proud. That means 10% of the people out there (with windows) HAD internet explorer and were willing to take the effort to get a NEW browser to replace it. They had to earn it. Everyone that downloads firefox does so to seek an alternative to IE. I almost garuntee that if microsoft did NOT stuff IE down the throats of their users and users were forced to search for their own web browser, firefox would be a MUCH more chosen alternative. - MioTheGreat, on 10/12/2007, -4/+26You say that like its a bad thing.....Pushing out IE7 involuntarily was the best thing they could do. Well, the best thing would be to finish CSS support, but at least it's getting a little better.
- aphonik, on 10/12/2007, -6/+22Use IE4 for a day and I'm sure you will do it yourself.
If that fails, I know a friend, who knows a friend... - bias, on 10/12/2007, -10/+20@compaqnigg
If you call that copy, then Firefox copied IE6 in the first place, and of course IE6 copied Netscape.... and so on. Almost all of the OSS softwares are a clone of closed source softwares, what about that? It's alright when you copy other people softwares but not the other way around?? ***** hypocrite. - ElMoselYEE, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11quote OBKenobi, "100 million gullible idiots who use non-compliant malware."
i downloaded IE7 3 times on different computers. i don't use it as my main browser, but as Bobalobabingbon said i use it as a backup browser to another browser that is not IE. i don't consider myself an idiot. Also I would not call anyone that upgrades to IE7 idiots, as IE7 is more secure, thus they would be smart to upgrade (though they are still using IE which is kinda dumb but it still makes sense). in fact, IE6 is less-compliant than IE7, so the 100 million people that DID upgrade are actually getting more-compliant software, thus (again) they are making a decent decision (a good decision would be to move away from IE, but that would be a miracle).
i love how the people that usually throw around insults like they are in second grade (idiot, moron, etc) are usually the ones that are incompetent themselves. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13You can't uninstall IE.
- gootdude, on 10/12/2007, -16/+24Firefox never loads instantly, maybe you have the plugin to preload it, but other than that, IE always loads faster than firefox on the first try.
- firehydra2k, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11Well, IE still sucks, but it's still good news for web developers. If everybody gets it, I don't have to develop for IE6 anymore (yay for no more IE6 comment tags and spending a week to make it work on the god-forsaken browser).
- ozziegt, on 10/12/2007, -5/+1225% IS NOT a lie. Here are some stats from thecounter.com. It says 19%...it is quite possible that another counting service could have different numbers. They are basing it off web traffic, not number of downloads.
http://www.thecounter.com/stats/2007/January/browser.php - ionut, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9You can uninstall IE7 in XP. You'll revert to IE6.
- angrycat, on 10/12/2007, -8/+14How many of them work though?
When I installed mine and restarted my computer IE7 disappeared and all I had left was IE6, according to windows update I still have IE7 installed.
My friend installed IE7 and whenever he opens a new tab IE7 crashes, that also includes situations where a popup opens a new tab as well hahahaha.
My cat also enjoys eating catfood. - Huus, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8In other news: People are ignorant bastards
- fober, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7If you people are so convinced that your own browser software is so much better, why exactly are you all so bitter when you get on the internet?
- ocram, on 10/12/2007, -5/+10http://www.ocramc.com/ie7-install.jpg
IE7 clearly offers you the choice not to install it. - mindtrick, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5You messed up words.
- OBKenobi, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7It autoupdates if you allow it to. Most people do, because it's marked as critical. You can stop FUDding now, Bobalabodingdong.
- rheaume, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Capslock button, please melt it directly off your keyboard
- aahpandasrun, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5100 million downloads
It's under Critical Updates for god's sake. - turrican, on 10/12/2007, -6/+10Of course, most of these were forced upgrades via Windows Update.. so other than being informational, it's not really something that gives them bragging rights as far as users *choosing* IE7.
- Robotsu, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4compaqnigg said: "That being said, I think Microsoft are despicable, after downloading IE7 I couldn't believe how much one could copy another company and not get sued. It's like a mirror WANNABE image of Firefox and its still not good at it."
You obviously have missed out on the last.. oh, say 20+ years of the company's history. compaqnigg, meet Microsoft. Microsoft, meet compaqnigg.
Mod Parent up, and this guy down:
flernk said: "Um. No. Lets hope people start moving away from it entirely."
While I agree that would be a pretty great solution, it is impractical to the point of being laughable. You obviously have never done any degree of professional web work. Like it or not--and I don't--IE/Trident rendering engine is a de facto web standard. Obviously I love programs that strive for interoperability in the form of web standards, or ffs a browser that even renders correctly the standards they actually attempted to impliment! But of course, this is the real world.
IE7 replacing IE6 is still a *relatively* better thing to have happen than to keep everyone using IE6 when being realistic about the market forces. - ScottMaximus1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3OSX will tool on Windows?
Are you retarded? - error792, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4...except now there's IE7 comment tags!
Seriously though, dropping IE6 support makes my job in web development *much* easier. Now I only have to put in some margin/padding rules to account for browser inconsistencies... (FFox,IE,Opera and presumably Safari as well are all slightly different in which one they use for default indentation, and how much), as opposed to dozens of browser detect scripts, hacks and !important rules which usually result in some damage in the browsers which actually understand them. Unfortunately, most users don't know enough to install IE7.
So I for one don't *care* how Microsoft gets IE7 out, as long as they do it. I wish IE6 auto-updated immediately upon release of IE7.
Perhaps we should tell people that required software for Web2.0 includes IE7+ | Firefox | Opera | Safari | etc.? - damnyooneek, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Yea you can give thanks to the automatic update feature! Firefox is the best browser hands down.
- Johnpaine, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3That is Windows auto update downloading IE7....
- gcauthon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@Bobalobabingbon
Since you can't be bothered to read a single sentence description, I'll break it down for you. The article says that because there are 100 million INSTALLS, that fact makes it the second most USED browser. So why don't you know what you're talking about the next time you post? - archer75, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3in XP I use firefox. In Vista IE7 runs awesome so I use it there.
- foolfromhell, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"May it also be noted that it isnt that difficult to attain marketshare when you force your software on people as critical updates ... not something to boast about microsoft"
It just says that only 25% of Windows users actually update. - Rooked, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2IE7 dosent appear to work if you connect to a modem using a usb cable - what use is that for the average punter?
- tformed, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2does the 100 million downloader win a free prize.
- Dracos, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3The word "install" implies some active role by the user. A more appropriate term would be "deployments" since IE7 is a "critical" automatic windows update which is set to be the default browser without user intervention.
And just because 100M copies of IE7 are "in the wild" (malware association intended) doesn't mean 100M people are using it. Most of those that actually are using IE7 likely didn't even notice the change.
Buried as inaccurate due to multiple levels of misleading statements. - MacMan88, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2dude, it's easy to get 100 mil installs when you shove it down your user's throats with Windows Update. If Firefox or Opera were listed in Windows Update as "critical" like IE7, I guarantee you it'll surpass that 100 mil in a fraction of the time IE7 took*.
*not counting the noobs that never patch their system. - BlackAdderIII, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5It is so very encouraging for those of us who have developed, advocated or otherwise supported other browsers, that this is considered *newsworthy* now!
I think we can consider this a milestone - Microsoft are having to spin/maximise uptake of IE, for God's sake. - syco123, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2A moon phase widget and a weather service right there in my browser. Firefox is everything a budding photographer needs.
IE hasn't had a look in for years, why use the software from a company playing catch up? Support the innovators!! - orlandogeek, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"cquinnd" --> Yes, I believe people do have to click next or accept an agreement to install Internet Explorer 7. However, given that most people will blindly click agree to anything including viruses and spyware attempting to install, this is likely no hindrance.
"MioTheGreat" --> Actually, I think the automatic push out of Internet Explorer 7 was a good idea. I agree that it's the best way to get what is really a critical security update out to the masses who dont know any better. However, I think that because it's automatically pushed out, the download number should not be given the same weight or credence as 100 million Firefox downloads as people have to actively seek it out, it's not done for them.
"wvdavis" --> I saw a trick to fool Windows Defender into letting you install it on 2K online somewhere. Perhaps a similar trick will work for Internet Explorer 7? - NanoStuff, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4"Well, the best thing would be to finish CSS support, but at least it's getting a little better."
Let's not forget standardizing the DOM API. - Darcy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4You people really need to grow up. It's a browser for gods sake, why are you letting it get to you like this? What many of you don't seem to understand is that most people out there actually have lives and couldn't care less what browser they use. If you don't like IE7 then don't use it, it's no big deal. You shouldn't get angry just because you convinced yourselves that everyone would switch to FF as soon has IE7 ships, that's just the same as the FOSS guys believing their will be a massive move to Linux just before every new version of Windows ships.
This maybe hard for some of you to understand but there are much more important things to get upset about in this world. It's just piece of software, not life or death. - movieman200x, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Hmm... Firefox would have 100 million installed users too if it was a forced windows update like IE7...
Come on M$, it's not a milestone if you force people to use it. It's a milestone if people CHOOSE to use it. - wvdavis, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4yeah, and that is only XP machines. I know W2K is antiquated, but it is still out there, and those pour people can't download IE7 (darn the bad luck /sarcasm). I know on my XP machines, they won't be part of the 200 million.
- Chewie67, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Look, I think *most* of us here at Digg would agree that the best thing you can do is not use IE at all. Get Firefox or Opera and forget about Internet Explorer.
That said, if the mainstream sheep who don't know any better are going to run whatever browser comes pre-installed in their $399 Dell, then I'd rather it be IE7 with mediocre CSS support than IE6 with horrid CSS support. - orlandogeek, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6I disagree that Internet Explorer 7 is crap. It's a remarkable improvement over v6, which was crap. Yes, the layout and some features are copies of Firefox, but does it matter? No. I strongly believe if it took 30 minutes for you to install Internet Explorer 7 and it takes 20 seconds to load, your computer is either in need of some repair or upgrades. Firefox and Internet Explorer both on my computer load in about 2-5 seconds.
- jivemasta, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Just because you use IE7 does not mean that you will get viruses. You have to go to a website that is shady, or open an email attachment. Getting a virus depends on the user, not the browser. Just ask any security expert, the user is the weakest part of computer security. A dumb user can get a virus in firefox just as easily as IE.
- MacSuxWindozSux, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1What?!?!?
STOP BICKERING ABOUT MARKETSHARE, DOWNLOADS, INSTALLS!!
IE6 Sucks.
IE7 Sucks.
IE7 > IE6. Who cares if its forced. Linux and Mac do the same thing. FF does the same thing.
So stop pushing a double standard.
In a years time 80% of the computers are going to be running Vista.
Maybe thats a really really bad thing.
Maybe thats a good thing.
But they will all have IE7.
Just continue to use Opera, Safari, Firefox, Konquerer, etc, etc. - BlackAdderIII, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5This is not something to feel bad about, this is something to feel triumphant about!
Microsoft are saying 100 million installs as if this represents "product uptake", but it's happened because they put it in the "Critical Updates" section on windows updater.
Don't you see? Microsoft are having to spin and prevaricate to make it look like people want their browser - these are the words of somebody losing their stranglehold and trying to disguise it.
For alternative software users/creators, and for web developers trying to move the web forward, this is what you have:
Microsoft with their foot on our throats - ie 95% market share or or so a few years ago, were saying:
"Screw you, there will be no web standards or browser security because I don't wish it and I'm the boss."
Microsoft now, trying to make it look like IE7 has 25% uptake, are saying:
"Please don't hurt me, I'm sorry! I don't want any trouble. I think I might start trying to implement web standards. Yeah, that's a good idea. My innovation!"
Web standards and ordinary people are winning. - syco123, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1For movies VLC is still the best, granted WMP looks very cool and VLC looks like a science project but it has space bar pause and plays truely full screen. I switched my associations to VLC for AVIs. Simply better.
- Diggnified, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Yeah 100 mill. people that have auto updates enabled. Firefox!!
- Jerim, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1A more accurate title is "Microsoft forces 100 million IE7 installs." Around the office here, Windows has been automatically updating to IE7, without authorization.
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