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- MasterThief117, on 11/05/2007, -2/+80The MPAA are in some hot water now.
Them trying to deny involvement with MediaDefender is like McDonald's trying to deny creating the Big Mac. - penguinomint, on 11/05/2007, -5/+55Obligatory: ***** the MPAA!
- Dmitrik, on 11/08/2007, -1/+46I'd like to see them get out of this one!
No, wait, I don't! Let them stay buried in *****. - bigboy101011, on 11/05/2007, -4/+47you have to remember that in Sweden corporate sabotage is illegal and paying someone to "jump all over this swarm and try to kill it" is corporate sabotage.
- logicalnoise, on 11/05/2007, -2/+24if Media defender's practices are found to be illegal then the whole point is moot.
- inactive, on 11/05/2007, -1/+22McPwned.
- moulin1, on 11/05/2007, -0/+18The lawsuit isn't against MD which is safe in the US. The lawsuit is against the studios who do have coporations and assets in the EU.
- thegreathal, on 11/05/2007, -0/+16Obligatory 09f911029d74e35bd84156c5635688c0
- robdiggity, on 11/08/2007, -1/+14No, it was Ray Charles, and he was a blind blues piano musician.
- sirbeta, on 11/08/2007, -0/+12No, it wasn't. It was invented by one of the individual franchise owners, Jim Delligatti, many years after McDonald's came about.
- inspecality, on 11/05/2007, -0/+12I like how a simple analogy can turn into a pointless argument. Thanks, Digg.
- SintraKikuta, on 11/04/2007, -0/+11242 matches for the term MPAA in the leaked emails...
- PhillyMJS, on 11/08/2007, -0/+10First, it was Ray Kroc. Second, he did not invent McDonald's... he partnered with the McDonald brothers who owned the first location, and they began selling franchises. Prior to that, he sold milkshake machines.
- mcnasby, on 11/04/2007, -1/+11I'm pretty sure that the "public perception" (as in OUTSIDE our normal geeky realm) has 1) no clue who/what the MPAA is, or 2) doesn't give a *****. I'm not trying to personally attack you -- just trying to shed some light on the truth. Gosh... most of our "public" could give a ***** about our current political state - they are just worried about Islamic terrorists coming over here and killing us all, let alone care about the fact that every day our government strips us of more and more civil liberties.
- actorboy, on 11/04/2007, -3/+101. The quoted email doesn't say anything the Pirate Bay, it refers to bitsoup.org, which is registered in Toronto, Canada, not Sweden.
2. To "jump all over the swarm" is not corporate sabotage. The "swarm" refers to file-sharers and the email specifically refers to seeking seeders' IP addresses. Bitsoup and The Pirate Bay are both quite clear that they do not host content, therefore, they do not seed. Evidence of wanting to go after seeders is: a) not evidence of going after corporations that do not seed. b) still not a clear requisition for illegal tactics, no matter how you slice it.
Again, this is not the smoking gun TorrentFreak pretends it is. - mclewell, on 11/08/2007, -0/+7They can be used in court as evidence. The Pirate Bay is in Sweden and they have a law called “fri bevisprövning” which allows evidence to be used no matter how it was obtained.
- banmaster, on 11/04/2007, -1/+7And yet YOU took the time to post a comment.
Hmm...
Besides, I'd rather believe TF than the RIAA ANY day! - azzkiker, on 11/05/2007, -0/+6Pirate bay is gonna have another party..I must get ready.
- Schneckehaus, on 11/05/2007, -0/+6Go back about 15 years
- actorboy, on 11/04/2007, -18/+24Contrary to the headline and subject, the studios are not denying that they worked with mediadefender, they are denying that their relationship with mediadefender was a commission for illegal practices. And contrary to TorrentFreak's spin, asking someone to "jump all over this swarm and try to kill it" is not the smoking gun they pretend it to be in regard to a blatant request for a criminal action.
Torrentfreak is the Fox News of p2p information, twisting -- or outright inventing -- "facts" to appease the agenda of their audience. I can believe so many diggers can't see this, but I guess desire outweighs intelligence, no matter how high the IQ. - inactive, on 11/05/2007, -0/+5Ok so if I did something like this against a government network it would be called conspiracy to disrupt a computer network and I could get 10 years for it. But the studios do it and it's a normal business practice? Hey man I wasn't hacking I was protecting my music from government types illegally downloading it, after all some of that stuff I sing in the shower is really good.
- DirtySnachez, on 11/05/2007, -4/+8No, they stole the whole burger idea from some other guy. Read about it in "No Logo" - Naomi Klein.
- philba, on 11/04/2007, -0/+4that was my first thought - a weasel lawyer making a very narrowly true statement. I'm sure that the MPAA didn't make the specific requests. I does appear that the studios were the ones asking. While many many draw no distinction between the MPAA and the studios, they are separate entities. I'm not defending them, just pointing out that the lawyer, in this case, was very narrowly telling the truth. Now the next question to ask is who is paying Mediadefender and what are the relationships between the studio people directing MD and the MPAA, That is an interesting direction of inquiry.
- pepemt, on 11/04/2007, -0/+4I doubt these 'leaked' e-mails will ever be allowed to be admitted as evidence : /
- tech42er, on 11/05/2007, -0/+4I can't believe people are really arguing over whether McDonald's created the Big Mac.
- OutThisLife, on 11/04/2007, -1/+5Kay I'll get a life at 4AM.
- cowboy86, on 11/05/2007, -1/+4Um, "pwned"
- smacksaw, on 11/05/2007, -2/+5I don't think this matters, because in a world where we can be "right" by doing something clearly wrong...oh, like say invading other countries...I think that gov't and judges will have a lot more sympathy for the MPAA and it's members than evil filesharers who kill kittens every time they download something illegally.
- inactive, on 11/04/2007, -3/+6Maybe so, but MD still polluted TBF and many others with fake files.
- inactive, on 11/04/2007, -0/+3The rate of piracy is high because most people have high speed connections and large monitors. Being able to watch a movie in almost-DVD quality when the other choice is going to a theater and hearing people on the phones, kids crying, and stepping in something sticky.. Most people aware of the choice choose to watch the movie at home.
The worst part about going to the theater is that nobody else in the showing seems to want to watch the goddamned movie. - inactive, on 11/05/2007, -3/+6If you're saying that McDonalds stole the idea to put a cooked piece of meat between two slices of bread you're right. It was invented in ancient rome.
- valentinoracing, on 11/04/2007, -1/+3off topic..but...you would think that rather than the MPAA trying to constantly shut ***** down, and prosecute, they would work on making advancements towards lowering the pirating rate...now im in no way for the suits, but it feels as if they are just constantly going against the people that keep them in business, rather than trying to work peacefully...like i said ...off topic....but had to let it out
- Allanon, on 11/04/2007, -2/+4Just because someone at a studio contacted MediaDefender doesn't mean the MPAA had anything to do with it. Do the emails mention the MPAA specifically?
- philz, on 11/05/2007, -2/+4Ray Crock invented McDonalds though (but not the Big Mac)
- DirtySnachez, on 11/05/2007, -0/+2Not the physical meat and bread.. the concept of franchised fast-food and "look-the-same, taste-the-same" *****.
- jacobsor, on 11/04/2007, -0/+2Do you have a source for your sweeping assertion that "corporate sabotage is illegal" in Sweden?
In the United States, at least, there isn't any general law against "corporate sabotage," whatever that is. There are specific laws against things like computer hacking, etc.. (E.g., the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act.)
I'm not an expert in Swedish law, but I'm guessing you're not either. Without a source it sounds like you're just blowing smoke. - lazyfisherman, on 11/04/2007, -0/+2In governments, companies, societies, the people at the top set the tone and establish precedents for the behavior of those below them. Our government + corporations are so corrupt now that many times they don't even bother to try to hide it anymore. When they demonstrate a profits-first, win-at-all-costs, screw everybody kind of attitude, nobody should be surprised by all the sharing going on when Joe Citizen decides he doesn't give a damn either.
- Skooma714, on 11/04/2007, -0/+2I don't understand what the concept of a life is.
- marnaq, on 11/05/2007, -0/+2Thanks. I almost forgot that one.
- NoOneButMe, on 11/04/2007, -1/+3Which is completely irrelevant to this.
- Schneckehaus, on 11/05/2007, -7/+8I wonder if the MPAA even realizes just how horrible the public perception of them has become?
- dawpa2000, on 11/05/2007, -0/+1About 09f911029d74e35bd84156c5635688c0:
http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2007/02/the_new_hddv ... - FallOutBoyTonto, on 11/04/2007, -0/+1If only they'd bend over!
Does this situation qualify¿ - jacobsor, on 11/04/2007, -1/+2And which is completely legal unless there's a law to the contrary.
- venom8599, on 11/04/2007, -0/+1That's why TPB has filed charges against the individual companies, instead of the MPAA itself.
- valentinoracing, on 11/04/2007, -0/+0i couldn't agree more...movie theaters have lost there luster. at least i was able to go to the ritz 16 near me because it was 17 and older, i mean i am only 18, but i love movies, and i love watching a movie with people that are there for the same reason, but its ashame that an age limit and slightly higher ticket price is the only way i can experience that...something needs to be done...but what..
- AndrewDB, on 01/10/2008, -4/+2Has become? You mean, it wasn't always this way?... Geez, that's news to me.
- DirtySnachez, on 11/04/2007, -7/+5..unless the MD guys are smart enough to use the same law-book TPB guys used.. if the US cant touch TPB because of international laws, then vice-versa TPB prolly wont be able to do anything back to MD.
- inactive, on 11/04/2007, -3/+1No, it's not normal business practice. When you attack the police station, the cops are going to respond faster than if you attacked a cabin in the woods.
- Ninjao, on 11/04/2007, -6/+4Actorboy just owned you.
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