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- antivibe, on 02/11/2008, -10/+41i still cant figure out peoples beef with bill gates. his big 'monopoly' only lasted a few years(its not possible to hold back technology's evolution) and the money he made from his business endeavors went to the single-biggest endowment in the history of the world. 32 billion, bitches. he is the largest contributor to the world health organization(bigger than any other COUNTRY). the new yorker article on his philanthropic life is long and, in my opinion, essential reading about a modern cat making a difference. people love steve jobs, but give several billion to the WHO and people dont even submit it to digg. i doubt most folks could elucidate why they love steve jobs and hate bill gates.... its just cascade-think
- stupidStan, on 02/11/2008, -4/+27Yeah, this sucks! Now if it was Apple iPopfly... that would be awesome!
- doshindude, on 02/11/2008, -7/+29I'm starting an internet campaign right here....
Stop using the term "Web 2.0" or "Web x.0." whenever you use it, you sound retarded and n00bish.
Just call it the internet. - gpazi, on 02/11/2008, -14/+34I wouldn't underestimate Microsoft.
Popfly is pretty cool actually - stupidStan, on 02/11/2008, -0/+17you are right, on Digg, if MS products are talked about in a good light... it must be an employee!
- Murdats, on 02/11/2008, -1/+17yeah, but microsoft cant even hope to match the budget apple puts aside to have their employees on digg.
wait, are you an apple employee? I bet you are. - stockjones, on 02/11/2008, -1/+13C# beat java. (will beat java). But in this case its because it is actually better.
- JanYpe, on 02/11/2008, -1/+12Stop fondling Steve Jobs apples for a second there Mr Smug McParanoid.
- Dalrek, on 02/11/2008, -2/+9Maybe I just have bad memories of Real Player, but damn do I remember that thing being a piece of *****. Xbox lost to the playstation 2, and it's silly to try and make a call on the current war as to who beat who. 360 is in the lead though, but they haven't "won" yet.
Also, DirectX is an entire framework for sound, control input, and graphics. OpenGL is just graphics. Not exactly a fair comparison. - briLo, on 02/11/2008, -3/+9For Christs sake it's impossible to read any comments on Digg without the ***** sucking apple zealots popping up like crack heads at a free crack give away.
- david76, on 02/11/2008, -1/+7Of course, MS introduced the XMLHttpRequest object. So scoffing at the notion that they would be "web 2.0" is rather retarded. Not to mention the fact that MS utilizes a service oriented architecture at every turn, which is the core of "web 2.0".
- roodammy44, on 02/11/2008, -0/+6I think reading dilbert as a child made me allergic to the word "paradigm"
- Tyrghast, on 02/11/2008, -2/+8it's like a series of tubes.
- Murdats, on 02/11/2008, -0/+5what about synergy? :P
- Murdats, on 02/11/2008, -1/+6no thats ipv6
it has its own version number and everything - jimchou, on 02/11/2008, -0/+5Techies hate Microsoft because its success comes from questionable marketing tactics, not the technical superiority of its products. From Windows being bundled with DOS, to forcing PC makers to pay for Windows on every machine they sell, bundling IE with Windows to kill Netscape, etc. Other big tech companies got big by making better products than their competitors, Microsoft wins by leveraging its size, the prototypical behavior of a bully.
- Tyrghast, on 02/11/2008, -0/+5I'm 19 and i remember the world without internet. I was little and watched a lot of Guts and The Secret World Of Alex Mac back then, but i damn well remember a time without tubes.
- SniperSlap, on 02/11/2008, -7/+11"“They have never known a world without eBay, Amazon, or Google,”"
What a patent load of horse *****. 21 to 27? People in that age range have most certainly known a world without internet, we are the generation that begged our moms for dialup and soon after, cable modems - yes. But we also remember things like PBS telethons, the channel that drew pictures, pen pals, BBSses and many other styles of entertainment and communication that the internet overshadowed.
The age group that doesn't fully understand the internet is coming to fruition now, born around 1990 onwards - not before.
Once again, Microsoft is out of touch with reality and horribly misses the mark. This sounds like more e-duplo for the soul - aka: Your usual unskilled Microsoft crap. - lbtori, on 02/11/2008, -1/+5Popfly is a nice enough idea but has so much potential for completely useless mashups appearing...
Still, I think it's meant as more of a proof of concept showing what Silverlight can do.
As to what the point of Silverlight is to start with... I have no idea. - strictnein, on 02/11/2008, -0/+3MS was the originator of much of what people use in "Web 2.0" applications. But, yet again, they get very little credit for it.
"Such a class was originally introduced in Internet Explorer as an ActiveX object, called XMLHTTP. Then Mozilla, Safari and other browsers followed, implementing an XMLHttpRequest class that supports the methods and properties of Microsoft's original ActiveX object."
http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/AJAX:Getting_ ... - domness, on 02/11/2008, -8/+11Don't think you understand mate.
"Web 2.0 is a perceived or proposed second generation of the web. This is were the web has evolved and improved over time and now offers better and more up to date services like blogs, wiki’s, social networking sites etc" - zszaiss, on 02/11/2008, -1/+4Wow, I wish I could digg the story but bury the submitted description. It seems like the Digg mentality is to trash any story that portrays Microsoft in a positive light (because it's the cool thing to do and we all hate Microsoft), and then turn around and dole out praise for Microsoft on Silverlight.
I'll bet that the nay sayers haven't even tried Popfly, because as gpazi says, it's actually very cool. It's at least as credible in this space as Yahoo Pipes, and I notice nobody dugg a story about Pipes and scoffed at Yahoo "trying to be Web 2.0."
If you give it a try, I think you'd like it. The amount of user research that went into this product is immense (I know because I helped with some of it). Instead of bashing them to be cool, encourage MS products that go in the right direction... that's the only way those product groups will have enough ammo to roll out their ideas and changes to other groups in the company. - Fartag, on 02/11/2008, -0/+3Oh god, I am not good with computer:
s/Novell to try to legitimize/Novell to try to legitimize infringement and patent claims/
- Murdats, on 02/11/2008, -4/+7I have no problems with that, silverlight is cool and the faster it gains market pentration the faster people can acually start developing for it assuming that most people have it (or will get it)
- polyGone, on 02/11/2008, -0/+3I'm on Web 9.6. I don't know about the rest of you.....
- deadcrickets, on 02/11/2008, -1/+4Paradigm - a word used by people who have no damn idea what they are talking about. Meaningless.
- Murdats, on 02/11/2008, -2/+4web 2.0 refers to the new paradigm in terms of web development, not the infrastructure itself.
- Vlatro, on 02/11/2008, -1/+3Good points, however, I don't see the PS3 coming out of this ahead at all in the future. I own both consoles, and while I love the PS3, Microsoft has won this battle. They have the games, a wider online base and a more compelling price. That being said, they learned how to win by watching the success of the PS2. They learned to be first to market, lock up franchise titles, and undercut the competition in the price war. The problem isn't that Microsoft learned to do something right, the problem is sadly that Sony forgot how.
As for OpenGL vs DX, you are correct, DirectX is more than a graphics frame work. However they have the cooperation of hardware vendors behind them. Currently, DX is a much more appealing platform for developers. Again, it wasn't always this way. When DX took the lead, GL was still a better product, but they observed how GL was successful and did them one better.
If anything, that is the secret of Microsoft's success. Not innovation, but rather their willingness to jump into any marketplace and sell a product which they know will be met with mixed success initially, then refine it later using the tactics of their competitors, while addressing complaints not only from their inital product, but the competition's as well.
For that reason, I would not discount the Zune's ability to come back in the next 2-3 years. They've established their niche within the market already, and have a ton of feedback to work with. While the iPod is still a far superior system, it is (for the novice user) still bound to iTunes which is the most abysmal piece of ***** example of poor programming the world has seen since RealPlayer. If history has taught us anything, I see MS using that to their advantage and rolling the dice on the Zune once again, and again, and again until they win.
Microsoft has never been the best at what they do, but they are consistently not the worst (from the perspective of the mass consumer market at least). While there is always an anti-Microsoft sentiment and a million niche markets to serve that, they consistently provide adequate products at reasonable prices.
Getting back to the article, Popfly is hitting the market much later than competing products, but MS has watched and learned. Google Mashup and google base have had APIs that offer similar functionality. They are superior, and I would imagine them to always be superior. That doesn't mean there's no room left for a Microsoft success. In fact, some competition may be just waht the market needs. It's a product for "Non-programmer programmers". Kids who as the article says, cut and paste, use javascript and (God forbid) have MySpace and Facebook accounts. Collectively, they may come up with some good concepts and implement them well, but their not the sort I want hanging out on my beloved programming forums. Give these kids their own tools and let them play. I'll stick to the hard stuff. As this evolves though, we may gain better perspective on how people conceptualize code, and that will be useful for the rest of us later on. - stockjones, on 02/11/2008, -3/+5I agree regarding silverlight. They should have just worked off flash with flex. But Oh well. Yes Popfly feels like a promo for Silverlight.
- Vlatro, on 02/11/2008, -1/+3Yes, Web 2.0 is a buzzword. Get over it. Developers and IT professionals make more money off of buzzwords than they do from technologies. We need a way to communicate with investors who for all their intelligence, couldn't turn on a toaster. Web 2.0, whether you care for the term or not, implies a collaborative internet based work space. Websites that provide user feedback and interaction with more than the traditional e-mail link on the page. This mean Ajax, Flash, RSS, Streaming media, comment forms, and individual user tracking. We're painting with broad strokes, I know, but the audience the term is intended for doesn't know or care how we define it, as long as the products we offer contain the features needed to keep them competative. You can argue that Web 2.0 doesn't exist, but someone could argue with equal validity that we are on web 3.0, or 6.0, or Web revision 2034.11.2. It has no impact on developers who must remain on the cutting edge as they always have. It matters to everyone else. Sure, we could call each technology for what it is, but it's complex for those not in the loop to understand what it means. By the same right you could market the mold encrusted curds of lactic fat excreted from barn animals, but calling it "cheese" tends to help sales a little more.
- llbbl, on 02/11/2008, -0/+2I thought nytimes got rid of their stupid login crap. :(
- Archer007, on 02/11/2008, -3/+5Duh. He means its a buzzword with no technical meaning. I can say my mousepad is Web 2.0.
- strictnein, on 02/11/2008, -0/+2To be proper, it should be the Internet.
An internet is just a generic internet. - Vlatro, on 02/11/2008, -0/+2My "Word of the day" calendar would suggest otherwise.
It Means "Context". I find it more likely that it's a word NOT used by people who "have no damn idea what their talking about". Like any word, it has no meaning to those who don't understand it.
I believe what Murdats was saying is that there is no underlaying change to the technology that validates it as being "Web 2.0", but rather it's the conceptual difference in how it should function. Celluloid camera film was originally used for photographs. While the technology remained unchanged, a variant of it's application opened the door for movies. We call them "Movies" because it's easier than trying to arbitrarily distinguish a single frame of film form many in rapid succession. That new concept applied to an existing technology could be considered a new paradigm.
See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradigm for more info. - chris9902, on 02/11/2008, -2/+4digg uses Microsoft as their ad partner. Just thought I'd put that out there for the people above.
- smacksaw, on 02/11/2008, -2/+4Will MS be providing technical assistance to Mono?
I think to have market penetration you need to be in every market, but maybe I'm just crazy like that. I don't live exclusively in the M$ world. - TheWindBlows, on 02/11/2008, -0/+1I have a bad feeling:
Myspace
13 year old Programmers
Interest in the myspace site.
calling copy pasting programming
From what I can tell this is their plan.
Microsoft Worker will hire some 13 year old's from myspace (most likely EMO's) that have been deemed programmers because they can copy paste all of this done in "his interest"...somebadies guna get raped. - graviplana, on 02/11/2008, -1/+2AHHHHHH. Admit it, some cheeky Brit came up with the word "Mash-up". SHAME!! Dugg down for use of that stupid word.
BAN MASHUP from use!
uuuug! - inactive, on 02/11/2008, -0/+1It requires Silverlight. Thats reason enough for it to suck.
- drunkenoaf, on 02/11/2008, -0/+1Yea? Is this ye olde Englishe, of Shakespeare's time? Yea, so verily it is so.
Yeah, right. - MacSuxWindozSux, on 02/11/2008, -0/+1"Xbox lost to the playstation 2, and it's silly to try and make a call on the current war as to who beat who."
What I meant is that MS is ahead of Sony at the moment. Where a few years ago they were new to the scene.
"DirectX is an entire framework for sound, control input, and graphics. OpenGL is just graphics. Not exactly a fair comparison."
Yes however they are still competing products. The fact that DirectX has those extras is merely one of the possible reasons it's ahead. - strictnein, on 02/11/2008, -0/+1I guess you are crazy like that, because what you're saying makes no sense. If I'm looking to sell widgets, I can have "market penetration" even though I just sell to widget buyers on the west coast. I don't have to sell them in the midwest and east coast as well.
And anyways, MS's target market is 90-95% of the total market. - stupidStan, on 02/11/2008, -2/+3never heard of mircosoft...
- AcidBurnz, on 02/11/2008, -3/+4True, but the graphics portion DirectX is superior to Opengl.
- inactive, on 02/11/2008, -0/+1Why was cplusplus dugg down? Silverlight has a small userbase. I prefer Yahoo Pipes.
- SreyaNotfilc, on 12/24/2008, -0/+1Agro Crag FTW!!! God, I wanted that glowing rock soo badly as a kid/adult.
- stupidStan, on 02/11/2008, -4/+4dont you know? Its cool to hate bill gates, just like its cool to like ron paul.
This is a good technology, whether or not the diggbots crap on it, check it out for yourself. - antivibe, on 02/11/2008, -3/+3cool, thanks for your perspective. all good points here.
- ElbertF, on 02/11/2008, -1/+1The infrastructure is what we call the net, the web is virtual anyway.
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