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- ivansusanin, on 03/25/2008, -0/+31SUPPORT NET NEUTRALITY
- mazhurg, on 03/25/2008, -0/+29How can a telecommunication seller justify degrading data pipes based on content when it sells the pipes for bandwith in the first place???
- amcnamar, on 03/25/2008, -0/+16Lets take a moment to say thanks to companies like Teksavvy and others who have done nothing but offer amazing, uncapped, unthrottled service with leased bandwidth from Bell.
These companies will be the ones standing up against BCE in the coming months in a fight to stay alive. Without the ability to offer unthrottled service, they rely on little more than great customer service to attract customers, something which can be hard to convey to potential subscribers who are interested in cost, bandwidth, and throttling. - mlerner, on 03/25/2008, -0/+12The war is on. I just sent my complaint to the Competition Bureau.
- LANjackal, on 03/25/2008, -2/+13I'm not sure what - if any - recourse Canadian users have against Bell's actions, but what is sure is that these actions are absolutely egregious. Aren't resellers to be hands-off when it comes to those they sell to?
- cyc66, on 03/25/2008, -2/+11The topic isn't quite clear. Not only are they throttling their users but ALL DSL users on their network, even through resellers. Furthermore, they didn't give their resellers any notice leading to a lot of confused and angry customers.
- paulius, on 03/25/2008, -0/+9This article states one of the primary reasons why net neutrality is important.
Next, they'll be capping us for using Google instead of their own search engine.
We can't let this happen! - taylortbb, on 03/25/2008, -0/+8I may disagree with it but it's Bell's prerogative to do it to their own customers. The problem here is that they are forcing it on independent ISPs like TekSavvy that pride themselves on NOT throttling. Bell can screw their own customers but now they're being anti-competitive. They admitted in a meeting with TekSavvy management that they are doing it because they are scared of TekSavvy eating into their market share.
- borez, on 03/25/2008, -0/+7I'm sick to death of this throttling *****, you pay for a certain bandwidth, what you do with it should be entirely up to you...end of.
- aduric, on 03/25/2008, -1/+7aw ***** off Bell...
Seriously though it was hardly unexpected. P2P traffic accounts for a huge percentage of bandwidth during business hours and I guess corporate IT departments started complaining. You have a big corporate customer wanting to check his email and some kid downloading movies....who do you think Bell wants to cater to? Just sucks cuz I'm that kid. - Etheric, on 03/25/2008, -0/+6If they get away with this, what is next? Censoring?
Please help stop this snowball before it gets rolling. - Kyolux, on 03/25/2008, -1/+7When you buy a pie, does the bakery tells you how to do it? Does it restrict you on how to eat it? If a bakery would say, you can buy my pie, but you can only eat it with chopsticks and only one bite a day, they would be laughed at and go out of business. Because there is enough competition, so even if there was a magical way for it to enforce this, people would just go elsewhere.
Now Bell is abusing it's oligopoly, plain and simple. It's not even about downloading illegal stuff. It's about there actually only being a minority of people using p2p, and apparently slows down the other customers who need to check their facebook's vampire or some lame stuff. While they advertise no slow down, they do slow us down.
Hmm.. a better analogy would be that the bakery would make you pay for a pie, telling you there's enough for everyone, selling it to 100 people, then realize you only have 10 pies. So instead of baking more pies, you simply mention that you never specified a whole pie, and that it was actually just a small slice you were selling.
Ok sorry for the lame analogy, I think I'm just hungry.. and pie sounds delicious now.. - lowlevel, on 03/25/2008, -0/+6I'm wondering if this is why my VoIP hasn't been so hot lately. Bell has a history of this type of behavior, and it is my opinion that they need to be stopped. Definately underhanded, but not unexpected... yet again. (Remember $10gig caps with $8/gig for overage charges? Quickly smacked down in a matter of weeks... hopefully this can also be smacked down before they're even fully implemented.)
Check out the map, Green pins are DSL users who are not yet throttled.. and Blue are users who are:
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&ie=UTF8&oe=UT ... - inactive, on 03/25/2008, -0/+6Ah, you have just got to the heart of the problem. Bell is throttling all other carriers that use their copper lines. So...there is no other carrier to switch to. So, we're *****. Get it.
- ninxmz, on 03/25/2008, -0/+4Furthermore, their implementation is far from perfect. Protocols such as FTP and NNTP are getting caught in the crossfire and getting throttled to 30kb/s or 60kb/s depending on the time of day.
Edit: I am affected by this directly as my ISP is a Bell reseller. - spencinator77, on 03/26/2008, -0/+4Cancelled all Bell services. I expect some calls from India asking me why I left starting tomorrw.
- mdollarsign, on 03/26/2008, -0/+4I have begun the switch to a cable provider. I cannot wait to make that call to Bell to cancel all my services.
- ultracat, on 03/26/2008, -0/+4Well, I DO own Bell Canada. I'm a shareholder and a Canadian citizen and taxpayer (everyone forgot Bell's history as a crown corporation??) That said, I don't agree with their approach. P2P is a reality. Bell, Rogers, etc. believe they can somehow profit by keeping us in the past. CBC just launched a program to distribute its programs free to Canadians via Bittorrent this week. How the heck is that supposed to work now????
- Benad, on 03/26/2008, -0/+4Do it. I canceled my cellphone already. Internet follows in April and land phone later this year.
- DeathJux, on 03/25/2008, -0/+4SCREAMING INFLAMMATORY STATEMENTS ON WEBSITES GETS RESULTS!
- gerkin, on 03/26/2008, -0/+4Bell is playing a dangerous game. Those 5% of the users who "hog" the bandwidth probably have the know-how to wreak havoc on these filtering systems ...
Long gone are the days when you could buy an "internet connection" .. now you get filtered crap that in the end connects to the internet in some manner.
Ok .. think it's time for a new (old) approach for a P2P protocol .. how about ... http, or even better and more "oldschool" ... ftp ? Yes, decentralized ftp services sound interesting... - samuel514, on 03/27/2008, -0/+3the problem is, independent ISP's use the Bell infrastructure right now... :(
- jessegrondin, on 03/25/2008, -0/+3BCE sucks :(
- mazhurg, on 03/25/2008, -0/+3This is bull. P2P is the excuse, not the cause. An Independant ISP pays for the bandwith it uses. Remember we are not talking buying existing bandwith (as in from an ISP) but paying for and using dedicated network connections.
- Poetheunclothed, on 03/25/2008, -0/+3 Bell blows, so does their only other option with cogeco cable. Seems they just want to rape people over for as much money as possible. These monopolizing bastards are ruining my internets!
- Winston84, on 03/25/2008, -0/+3You guys need to vote on somebody else.
Why do you think you never hear Scandinavians complain about this issue ?
Another thing you should do is find out if Bell are overselling bandwidth ..
can they actually provide the full bandwidth ALL their customers have agreed to pay for ? - Benad, on 03/26/2008, -0/+3Money still talks much louder than a Digg posting or remaining a Bell customer. Yes, it won't directly solve the problem, but at least my money goes to a smaller, more ethical company that have the chance to sue the ***** out of Bell.
- ultracat, on 03/26/2008, -0/+3Those of you saying 'switch carriers' or 'i hope it doesn't happen on my isp' you need to dig a little deeper into the story. Bell has said ALL INTERNET TRAFFIC ULTIMATELY FLOWS THROUGH BELL, AND WE'LL BE THROTTLING EVERYBODY. Don't believe me? Read the news stories that are popping up, nut just this one. This is a HUGE story and I feel like a lot of people aren't realizing it yet.
- terminalpariah, on 03/26/2008, -0/+3Well you can always switch to Rogers!
... which also throttles. Even encrypted traffic, so VPNs and SSH are dog-slow.
You know what? Telecom in Canada sucks ass! - admiral101, on 03/25/2008, -0/+3Are you American? Canada has a higher percent on highspeed and faster speeds then US.
- LiquidDragon, on 03/26/2008, -0/+3Its not fair they are allowed to throttle that. I use bittorrent for legitimate reasons. Its a great way to distribute a single file amongst many people.
- borez, on 03/25/2008, -1/+3I like pie
- inactive, on 03/25/2008, -1/+3If they're doing this so blatantly than that tells me Bell lawyers have found some kind of loophole in the law. Cancel your subscriptions now.
either way I have no problem leeching from a 56k modem, this is just a minor set back. - koenigje, on 03/25/2008, -0/+2But I don't own the company!
- offspring06, on 03/26/2008, -0/+2I hope Bell gets sued.
- gruvn, on 03/25/2008, -0/+2On what basis do you make this comment? I don't know anyone on dial up, and haven't for about 6 years. I don't have any data, but this seems very ill-informed.
- xeres, on 03/25/2008, -0/+2Link doesn't work
- mazhurg, on 03/25/2008, -0/+2Most ISPs doing business with BCE are not resellers. they use their own networks and equipment. The only items that BCE provides is the last mile and aggregation. theis is what makes this issue so maddening and illegal in that BCE is promoting it's own ISP over it's competitors. And you can bet your *ss that Sympatico business users are not being throttled vice the competition.
- chebuctonian, on 03/27/2008, -0/+2Instead of suing or begging government to intervene, how much work and money would it take for independent ISPs to build alternative capacity?
- drtyfrnk, on 03/25/2008, -0/+2Yep, I'm with Teksavvy and have had no problems, but with bell, a ton.
- sdrawkcaB, on 03/25/2008, -0/+2Ugh I've gotten nothing but terrible torrent speeds lately from Bell, and suspected they were starting throttling. Paying for 5-7MBit and never passing 2.5MBit (even non-P2P) is retarded.
They also have RE-applied bandwidth limits after taking them off years ago. I'd switch but all (2 or 3) the companies have done the same. - blinki, on 03/26/2008, -0/+1I've just emailed my local MP, the minister of heritage, and the secretary of state of Canadian identity.
I'll be sending paper copies by mail this evening. Speak up everybody, this is not the time to be Canadian and be silent! - admiral101, on 03/25/2008, -1/+2Testing right now on Bell dsl 7mbit connection downloading ubuntu from both a mirror and using bittorrent
Straight download from a local mirror gets 700 kB/s
torrent max speeds approximately 35-40 kB/s
Last time i downloaded via torrent (nearly 1 year ago) i got around 600 kB/s
Definite throttling
I'm pissed - bsdboy, on 03/25/2008, -2/+3Switch carriers, money talks.
- Benad, on 03/26/2008, -0/+1http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&ie=UTF8&oe=UT ...
- alpha_male76, on 03/26/2008, -0/+1No they send the RCMP becuase you have a grow-op... LOL!
Well in BC at least - copperteeth, on 03/26/2008, -0/+1At home we hate bell. They screwed us on our cell phone contracts by not letting us change our plans, our internet by throttling, and there is alternatives to the super expensive phone service they offer. We were going to switch completely to VOIP but now im not so sure its a good idea with this happening on my teksavvy DSL line.
- sdrawkcaB, on 03/26/2008, -0/+1***** that, I have a service contract that was made long before this happened, and they're changing my service without permission. Also they're supposed to have the network structure to handle all the bandwidth they sell. The electricity company doesn't get to cut off power if you're in the top 5% of users.
- terath, on 03/26/2008, -0/+1Many of us have been with smaller companies already for years. We still get *****. There is nothing we can do to *vote with our money*.
- kabes, on 03/26/2008, -0/+1Canceling all of my bell services...
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