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- inactive, on 06/17/2009, -13/+37Police waste time on this when people are being raped and killed by terrorists.. way to support terrorism RIAA and BPI.
"Charged with Conspiracy to Defraud (the music industry)".. I think it's high time the music industry is charged with Conspiracy to Defraud the public and Artists. - FredFredrickson, on 06/18/2009, -7/+27BREAKING: People who broke the law got arrested.
- FredFredrickson, on 06/18/2009, -2/+10But artists willingly sign with them, so what is the problem?
I don't think the cuts they take from some artists are always fair, but the bottom line is that artists do not have to sign with major labels if they don't want to. When they do, they go into the deal fully aware of the stipulations of the deal. Then the record company pays millions to promote them, they make millions more from albums and concerts, split the earnings, and part ways.
Sometimes it's unfair, but you could say the same about any contractual relationship. It's not up to consumers to tell producers that they are treating artists unfairly - it is up to the artists to do that. - bigd063, on 06/18/2009, -0/+7It was actually 2 groups that got busted: DV8 and RAGEMP3. One of the guys they arrested was the admin of both.
- MCA2142, on 06/18/2009, -3/+9The fault is with the Music Business, not police.
Yes, let's stop enforcing property rights, and put all our officers on rape and murder.
Dumbest thing I've read on digg... today.
It's the business model of the music industry that is corrupt. Not the police as a whole. Some police officers might indeed be evil, but that isn't a fair example for the entire law enforcement community.
Question the business model. Blaming Police for doing EXACTLY what they should do is unjustified. Blame the real cause. - MCA2142, on 06/18/2009, -10/+15Sharing is one thing, but releasing pre-leases in this fashion is down right distribution.
When you get thousands of people downloading your torrent, and they start to expect the same album after album, then we have what's called "Customer Expectations."
They dug their own hole here. While I love downloading torrents, I can't be surprised by this.
This can only hurt the P2P community, because this isn't really P2P, but uses the technology. P2P gets blamed while this case was 100% ad-hoc distribution, AND sales. - NikoKun, on 06/18/2009, -0/+5Actually, the Internet has done more for "Artists" than the record industry ever could. More small-time artists are making some money off their work, than ever before, because it can so cheaply reaching so many.
The industries are only fighting this technology, to maintain their control over the art. And steal money from the artists.
If you want to support the artists, support them in various ways on the internet, don't support them under the Record Labels. - solid12345, on 06/18/2009, -0/+4How many of them still lived with their mothers?
- FredFredrickson, on 06/18/2009, -1/+5I hate to break it to you, but you can download songs and support the artist at the same time by buying digital albums from sites like Amazon.
- misternils, on 06/18/2009, -1/+5I bet it was just like in the movie hackers when a SWAT team broke into that little boys room, pinned him to the ground while he was naked and took his computer.
- AngelBunny, on 06/18/2009, -2/+5i may be out of the loop but I can't find anyone talking about this or any scene notices about ragemp3. atm I'm calling BS until I can get confirmation.
- AmazingSteve, on 06/18/2009, -0/+2That's right, digg it down industry shills. I'll just keep a rippin' and distributin'.
- TheVirus, on 06/18/2009, -1/+2We, the people, want good music. Give us that and we'll start buying again.
- ObamaDoujinshi, on 06/18/2009, -0/+1They did a lot of indie releases, I will miss them. Many of their releases actually came from a reviewer at Kerrang who gave them promo copies.
- Weirdcore, on 06/19/2009, -0/+1Damn shame its DV8, but shame on them for selling there ***** on Ebay once pre'd, ***** morons.
So many good releases gone to waste in other words. - computershack, on 06/19/2009, -0/+1I don't know anyone who has been raped and killed by a terrorist. I do know people who have been victims of theft though...
- MCA2142, on 06/18/2009, -2/+3Did you read my comment at all, douche?
"This can only hurt the P2P community, because this isn't really P2P, but uses the technology."
The cops and the courts don't care that this is "scene." Which is exactly what I'm pointing out. - shark72, on 06/18/2009, -2/+3There's an analogous situation in the retail industry. Shrinkage (shoplifting and employee theft) is a constant threat. Retailers spend lots of money on anti-theft measures -- Sensormatic tags, security cameras, and the like. Nobody's fooling themselves into thinking that they're going to put a stop to it for good... they're just keeping it under control.
Simply because something can't be controlled 100% does not mean that you should "give it up." In the retail industry, shoplifting is a fact of life, and whether you produce music or business applications or movies or games, piracy is a fact of life. Just as you and I understand this, the entertainment industry understands this as well.
That's why they do what they can (e.g. busting the major distributors) but there's little sense in "giving it up."
DRM in the music industry is pretty much dead. Amazon was the first major music store to drop it, Apple followed, and I'm sure we'll see more. It used to be that people said they pirated music because of DRM. The music industry did what we asked them to do -- they stopped with the DRM. But piracy is bigger than ever.
Pirates like to tell the music industry to "adapt to survive." But that's what they've quietly been doing. CD prices have gone into freefall, DRM is almost dead, online selection is pretty damn good, and iTunes has been the number one music store for some time now. Whether we love them or hate them, they give people what they want. As much music as people pirate, people are also buying lots of music, too. - TheSnuffster, on 06/18/2009, -0/+1Lucy!!!!
- Travelsonic, on 06/18/2009, -0/+1"(saying something isn't classified as something else, and believing that something is morally sound) "
Do they know that they are going to be ***** royally by the companies more often than not?
Their free will choice isn't always a good enough reason to justify certain things, IMO. - Travelsonic, on 06/18/2009, -0/+1Any $$ that comes out of this most likely will go to the companies, and not a drop to the artists.
If that weren't the case I'd agree with you. - Travelsonic, on 06/18/2009, -0/+1Oops, ignore the quotation in there. Apparently my keyboard is having problems knowing when I am copying a new line of text into the ***** clipboard.
- Kuci06, on 06/18/2009, -1/+2Comin straight from the underground?
- AmazingSteve, on 06/18/2009, -5/+5That's cute. They think that they're making a difference.
- MooseOfReason, on 06/18/2009, -5/+4***** the MPAA?
- L0NER, on 06/18/2009, -3/+3***** the police?
- Baskinghobo, on 06/19/2009, -1/+1People still use warez sites?
- shark72, on 06/18/2009, -1/+1Good luck with that, TheVirus. 90% of music has *always* sucked.
Lots of people point to some random time in the past -- perhaps it was the 1980s, the '70s, or the '60s -- when music was better. But that's simply nostalgia talking. A look at the top music from any year indicates that it's the crappy stuff that was popular then, just as it is now.
To pick just one example out of thousands: what do you remember about 1979, assuming you were around then? The Eagles' "The Long Run" sure was a great album, huh?
Yet it was also the same year that Donna Summers' "Bad Girls" spent FIVE WEEKS at #1. I dare you to listen to that song all the way through.
"I'll stop pirating when music gets better" is about as meaningless as "I'll stop pirating when DRM goes away" or "I'll stop pirating when tracks cost $SMALL_NUM". Some people will always pirate because they simply don't want to pay for music. Nothing wrong with that... it's a fact of life. - kaelyiesta, on 06/18/2009, -4/+4Yet some still have the audacity to think themselves heroes for disregarding property rights or for seeking disproportionally large compensation for damages. It's unfortunate that the music industry as employed such atrocious legal tactics that have made them become so unpopular. What would have been petty thieves are now champions of the 'rights' of the masses to whatever services they demand. And all the while legitimate P2P technology has been trapped in the middle of this amoral ***** of thugs and thieves. It's sickening to see such inspiring products of brilliant minds being rolled through filth.
- Frostek, on 06/18/2009, -4/+3It's like listening to the arguments of a child...
It's not one or the other, you know. - Blaenk, on 06/18/2009, -4/+3Buddy, do you know what the scene is? They have nothing to do with torrents and constantly cuss and hate on 'torrenters' and P2P users in general in their nfos and scene notices. They ban for affiliation with torrenters, in fact. DV8 isn't a P2P group, it's a scene group.
Just clarifying what the scene is and the fact that they have nothing to do with torrenting/P2P, aside from the fact that you will indeed find many torrents of scene releases (Which of course, is 'against scene rules', or something). - inactive, on 06/18/2009, -6/+4Like throwing a bucket of water onto a forest fire. What a waste of time and effort. Although I bet they think otherwise, thats the sad part because we're the ones paying for it in the end.
Anyways, even if you cracked down on every single major pirate group, that would only stop most pre-releases from being torrented. With the millions and millions of people torrenting, good luck trying to stop the bulk of piracy.
As far as DRM and any other kind of anti-pirate techniques that they might try to use in the future. Anything that can be made, can be un-made.
My point that I'm trying to get across here? Give it up. Adapt to survive, this wildfire isn't dying out anytime soon and you know it. - silentwol, on 06/18/2009, -2/+0DV8 are hardly a 'major' group.
- Blaenk, on 06/19/2009, -3/+1Douche for clarifying what you only implied? Haha. You were pretty ambiguous when you said 'they dug their own hole here'. With all that talk of 'while I love downloading torrents' and 'get thousands of people downloading your torrent', when, like I said, this scene group has nothing to do with torrenting. I do understand what you implied though, that P2P takes the hit rather than these scene groups who's releases are usually leaked onto torrents.
- getatmedigg, on 06/18/2009, -5/+2Look, I'm borrowing a friend's CD, I'm burning it too!
- doublsh0t, on 06/18/2009, -7/+2=/
- inactive, on 06/18/2009, -8/+3Well put.
- DoXiD, on 06/18/2009, -10/+2It's not about supporting the artists.
It's about the technology is STONE AGE!
Lets say everything is legal (hypothetically)
Downloading songs, buying a CD, listening to streaming media.
Which one would you pick?
I would go for streaming media first because then i could set up like my own radio station with songs i like. Is this service available? Sure, somewhat. But most my fav songs gets removed from spotify, last.fm and so on.
So I’d turn to downloading because i need the songs on my iPhone.
CD's.. i wouldn't even by them because i don't get any value from it.
If the CD's were glowing in the dark, i get a poster with the CD or a chance to win a free ticket to the next concert near me.. ok sure..
But i can't get the CD onto my iPhone.
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There’s a motto in the music industry, "I do this because i like it and for the fans!".... Apparently not because we like the technology! - inactive, on 06/18/2009, -13/+5This is interesting because I'm extremely interested in science and programming.
- searcade, on 06/17/2009, -16/+4http://torrentfreak.com/major-scene-mp3-pre-releas ...
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