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- TheOtherGuy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Its an age old problem?? I thought Trillian et al. had solved it years ago
- ziffel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1www.trillian.cc
Honest to god, i have no idea why everyone isn't using Trillian. IT CONNECTS TO ALL OF THEM, PEOPLE. It's small, contains no ads, and works. It even connects to IRC and Jabber, as well as AIM, MSN, ICQ and Yahoo. - Drahknon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"Trillian doesn't support AIM Buddy Info, which a ton of people use and update regularly."
Yes it does. You just need the html plugin.
"How's it's Direct Connect compatibility?"
Works fine for me. - evil-doer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1ive never met a single person ever that uses aim. (im in canada also)
btw. any old schoolers here? anyone remember powwow? this is before icq came out. - caseynt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1theotherguy: true, personally I don't like the interface and newbie type users seldom ditch the official client. But you have a very good point.
- staticten, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1ahh, finally!
- matcrawf, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I would say that everyone outside of the USA uses MSN or Yahoo! You got Europe/Asia and say what's your AIM screenname, people look at you just like an American would look at someone asking for their MSN account. I say goodmove for both of them.
- TheNik, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I enjoy the idea of multi-IM clients, but none of them suffice to the orignial, ever. Most of the time it's the file-transfer, but others its the ***** interface. MSN is by far the best of the main-3.
- skartel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0MSN is far from dying. Here in Australia practically everyone uses it.
- DRoulette, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Yahoo and Microsoft have been talking about doing this since 2000!
http://www.disketteroulette.com/articles/2005/10/12/2001-the-year-of-instant-messaging - LazyBoy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I think its mad sweet good for them ..... to bad all the people I know use AIM...wish they didnt MSN and Yahoo are said to be much better clients then AIM.
- meus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I use bitlbee in my irssi with all the different protocols in there. Makes using IM very nice and easy if you ask me. So well if they join them well then i guess i can delete another acount like my yahoo account that i have only a couple of contacts on.
- jadewolf, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Ah Triton that's it's name.
- triont, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I run msn, yahoo, and aim 24-7 and aim gets used the least...
- Nessguy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I use google talk and msn. Almost all my friends use MSN... but that might just be because I set it up for them :). I know a couple people who use AIM, but I don't chat with them because I won't put that garbage on my computer. As for Yahoo, I don't know anybody who uses that.
- archerx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Everybody uses msn in central and south america. and trillian is horrible i installed it once a long time ago and it mixed me and my friends contacts and that was pretty hard to clean up so ever since that i said ***** trillian.
- redguy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0What's more interesting is that if you open an old yahoo messenger with a program like Exescope you'll find a few dialogs related to accessing ****ICQ and AOL***! I saw this since 3 years or more, I don't know if it's still present in YM 7 :)
- vuzman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0ICQ killed itself with the crappy client. They just kept on slapping more crap onto the interface, and then MSN et al came along with their stripped, clean, prettier interfaces, and ICQ realized that their gold-digging had turned into grave-digging. ICQ is still great though, as long as you use Trillian... it's possible to send IM's when the other guy is offline and easier to be secure.
- quasipalm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I'm so sick of proprietary protocols and standards with IM.
Imagine if you couldn't email your friends on Hotmail from your Gmail or AOL accounts. If we wouldn't stand for it with Email, why do we let them get away with it in IM.
Google Talk was a step in the right direction, but they need to fully implement the Jabber open standard. - Misos, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0MSN is used very heavily in Europe.
- ProAm500, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0i dont use it often, but to me MSN video chat is the best there is, the quality is amazing..
- sahaskatta, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0great, but who uses msn? i know a few that use Yahoo but who actually uses msn. AIM is the the worst of all but everyone i know uses it. (get gaim if u use AIM http://gaim.sourceforge.net )
- TheTrueSora, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0AIM is a horrible client, however, the mainstream will never stop using at as it has become to engrossed into the people. Go up to a 13 year old kid and ask if they use MSN or Yahoo! IM services. They'll look at you and be like, "wtf? aim is teh only client~!!!!!111one"
- catullus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0yeah, unfortunately i must agree with thetruesora. even if yahoo and msn's clients are much better than aim's (which they are), they are no good if nobody uses them. i for one don't know a single person who uses MSN or Yahoo regularly, but i have over 200 people on my aim list.
- takt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I think different regions use different protocols.
I use MSN and almost all my friends here in Canada use it too. But I know of no one who uses Yahoo. Just like my friends in the States who use only AIM.
Different regions of the world have different trends. Could be due to numerous reasons, example: word of mouth. - pilotvaughn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0kamakazzi, I don't use MSN.
- kamakazzi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0me and my friends only use msn. you dont come across no one that dosent us emsn as the regular IM client.
- Googled, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0why does everyone say people dont use msn! over here in uk neally every signle person who uses IM uses MSN, not one of my friends of family uses yahoo or AIM.
- kaje, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0For Mac OS X users there's:
Adium 5/5 Stars
Proteus X 4/5 Stars
Fire 2/5 Stars
All for Y!, MSN, AIM, ICQ - striker1211, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Actually Yahoo Pager could login to MSN at one time. I remember seeing people talking about it in forums. That was like 4 years ago i think, before it was changed to Messenger. If you look in the resource files they even started adding AIM stuff in v5 of Y! Messenger.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Trillian doesn't support AIM Buddy Info, which a ton of people use and update regularly. How's it's Direct Connect compatibility? Last time I tried it, it didn't support this perfectly (or at all). Here you go, two major issues on just one of it's supported formats. THIS is why those multi-protocol clients are not as good as the official ones, despite them having more features for you to play with.
Also, I prefer the simplicity of AIM over Gaim's bloated GUI and it's questionable font and text formatting. - TreatHR4, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Let's see...........
I have friends around the world using all the services. From non company related chat rooms, most seem to use Yahoo or MSN. Several are AOL.
I used Trillian in the past, the problem is that it merges all the accounts. If you add a contact, they get hit with the add request from every handle. Pretty stupid. The smileys also sucked completely. I know you could buy Pro to eliminate the combined accounts, but why buy what is already free? Maybe they have made it better in the last year, I haven't checked.
MSN support is terrible.
Yahoo support actually takes the time to address the problems.
AIM is ad infested and as invasive as every other AOL software. They still exist because people are used to them. They are one of the oldest internet services around.
And to the 1 idiot who wants to exploit the messengers.....Get A Life! If your only joy is messing up other people's PCs, then remove yourself from the gene pool. What is the point of repeating what someone else has already done anyway? Use real skill to find a new way to do something instead. - coffeegeek, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0As you can see with all these comments, both sides seem to be very tunnel-visioned. This is going to connect two main and very large groups of users together and make for a very strong domination in the Instant Messaging world, and it will make Chris Pirillo very happy. :)
- Drahknon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I think this is a great idea. No matter what network you prefer, consolidation can only help to make things simpler.
- jasonsbytes, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I thought Trillian or Gaim was the solution -- no adds and works with everything.
- mrblankone, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I like Trillian as a solution, but it is still a PITA to have to use multiple accounts. YIM/MSN is a step in the right direction!
- compubomb, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0What about ICQ ? *****, i used to Use ICQ Religiously, but it seems people have migrated little by little to AIM, i have a few people on my list who use MSN/YIM, but i have more who use ICQ/AIM(both owned by AOL) I would use Jabber, but most Free Jabber Hosts don't offer all the services possible to jabber integrate all the networks
- AltOpt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0If this happens, it would leave two large traditional free IM groups: MSN/Yahoo vs AOL/ICQ/iChat.
Wasn’t Microsoft going to buy AOL a few weeks ago?
But does it really matter? Skype has emerged from nowhere to become a major proprietary IM network. Google has its Hello network. Project Gizmo has arrived. And Jabber has always been around with a myriad of open clients and servers and now legitimised by iChat and Google.
Not to mention things like Battle.Net and what not.
All these are still largely incompatible. Therefore I think this is a small step, but symbolic. - RandyWalker, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Does this have anything to do with IMUnified*?
Also, interoperability is different from a multi-protocol client. With Gaim, Trillian, etc, you still need to have a separate account for each service. With this MSN/Y! deal, if you have only a Y! account, you can talk to your friends who have an MSN account. They're completely different situations and I prefer interoperability.
*A coalition of instant messaging companies including Yahoo!, Microsoft, AT&T and Prodigy that was founded in 2000. Its goal is to develop open standards for instant messaging text and buddy lists. - sangsara, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0ICQ was huge in Asia back in the early days of IM, and asian/mid. eastern users accounted for most of their 11+ million installed base which prompted AOL to acquire Mirabilis. Lately, anecdotal evidence suggests that most of those ICQ accounts are being underused in favor of MSN, which seems to appeal more with its frivolous animated avatar/smiley features.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I dont know a single person in real life that uses anything other than AIM.
- junkyinny, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0well at least now u only have to run aim and this client that merges the 2..
- n0ah, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I'm Canadian, and I use all three on occasion, MSN most, then Yahoo, and very rarely AIM, simply because I dislike it. I have around 50 people on all three though, so it's all in what you prefer, not what's best or who's using what.
@Maagic:
..don't start that war :S (and I use it thanks) - Maagic, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Linux is dying because I don't know a single person here that uses it
- WisTex, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I use Trillian because its ad free and I know people using AIM, Yahoo!, MSN and ICQ. So if I want to stay in touch with everyone, I have to have accounts on all of them. The built-in IRC client comes in handy too. I don't know many people using Google Talk, Jabber or Skype yet. but I have accounts on all those networks as well.
I'd be nice if they all talked to each other, but it actually wouldn't effect someone like me who has accounts with every major service anyway. - jadewolf, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0MSN and YIM with AIM support, and yeah I use seperate clients . . . because . . . well I have them tweaked to the way I want them. Though I use Trillian for AIM . . . and I can't believe someone mentioned Powwow . . . fricken A! ICQ is nothing but a sham front end anymore for AIM . . . sadly, it used to be great. Jabber cool, but Google's got to implement the standard correctly it's actually kind of annoying. Hmmm anything else to say . . . nope. Oh doesn't AOL have a new IM service in beta right now? I can't remember it's name, but it sounded like they were positioning to ditch the current AIM network and take on YIM and MSN in the looks and features department.
- pjrock82, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I wonder how the Yahoo protocol will be effected. Will MSN users be able to use Yahoo! Chat as well as Messenger? Yahoo! is full of exploits as it is, this will give us something to play with. I'm looking forward to it.
- evil-doer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0years ago everyone i knew used icq, and that was it. now virtually everyone uses msn. i use miranda for the 1 person that still uses icq i know, and 1 person that uses yahoo i know. but thats it.
- geoboy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I live in a small town in America and nearly all of us here use MSN Messenger. You could say the internet came late for us. I first got connected to the internet through AOL in 1999, and we had to dial over long distance, which was outrageously expensive. We quickly switched to a local ISP which were free local calls instead. AOL was an absolute no-no for our entire county. So no one used their service, hence no one used their email, and ultimately no one used their chat client.
For some reason people here seemed to think the only email service out there was hotmail. Probably because there's a link to it in Internet Explorer in a default install of Windows 98. This ultimately led to everybody using MSN Messenger since a hotmail account automatically acts as a MSN passport. I knew a few people who used Yahoo!, but no one who uses AIM. It is DEFINITELY regional. - MoeB, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Gaim is going nowhere, google talk is going nowhere, jabber is going nowhere. give it up!
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