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MPAA to EFF on RealDVD lawsuit: you're living in the past

arstechnica.com — The MPAA thinks that the EFF is being "disingenuous and wrongheaded" in its comments about the MPAA's lawsuit to stop RealDVD. The organization says that the EFF is living in the past and needs to get with the program when it comes to dealing with copyright infringement. The EFF tells Ars otherwise.

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  • abbathdoom, on 10/21/2008, -1/+47MPAA: Just make all your movies available in HD on Hulu for free and you will end piracy in one fell swoop and make a killing off the ads.

    I'll start my stop watch and see how long it takes you to actually implement this...
  • doctechnical, on 10/21/2008, -0/+46Wow. The MPAA is trying to close the barn door after the horses have long been gone, evolved wings and started perching in trees.
  • Adamlite, on 10/21/2008, -0/+44That's laughable. Backing up your DVDs, which are indeed subject to physical deterioration, should be a consumer's right. I'm sure as hell not going to be on the corner selling bootlegs - I just want to ensure that if my roommate scratches the ***** out of another one of my Arrested Development discs, I can still watch it.
  • AmazingSteve, on 10/22/2008, -0/+30"It's a desperate throwback to the Napster days of old when (EFF would) pull out this tired and weathered playbook. It's not 2001 anymore. We've moved on. So should you."

    Translation: Look, it was a pain in the ass to stop Napster. We STILL can figure out a way to cling to our obsolete business model so we'd like you to stop making us look bad please and just go away.
  • Subriot, on 10/21/2008, -0/+30***** you, MPAA, I'll do whatever the ***** I want with my PAID personal copy.
  • OmegaWolf, on 10/22/2008, -0/+29The MPAA accuses EFF of living in the past? Talk about the pot calling the kettle black!
  • airhead08, on 10/22/2008, -0/+24EFF U MPAA
  • fieldhockey44, on 10/22/2008, -0/+22"RealDVD doesn't require an actual disc to be in the drive when decrypting a movie for playback, therefore allowing users to rent, rip, and return movies if they wanted to." True, but what's the point of making an electronic copy of a movie if you still need the disc to play it? Why not just play the movie on your computer then?
  • spiffyfitz, on 10/22/2008, -0/+21*****:

    The MPAA
    The RIAA
    The DMCA
  • trogdor282, on 10/22/2008, -0/+16And lemme tell ya, the MPAA knows a thing or two about living in the past!
  • AmazingSteve, on 10/22/2008, -0/+11I'd love to but when I do it, it feels like I'm possesed by Satan. It's sort of like speaking in tongues but with more bile and vomit. It takes a lot out of me.
  • Tiak, on 10/22/2008, -0/+11...And they forgot their umbrella.
  • sockpuppets, on 10/22/2008, -0/+10I would like to buy one of your magical flying ponies, kind sir.
  • inactive, on 10/22/2008, -0/+10Wow, You know the language of Corporate *****?
    Can you translate some ads for me?
  • Tiak, on 10/22/2008, -0/+7Or the pot calling the tap water black as the case may be.
  • inactive, on 10/22/2008, -0/+6The MPAA even knows what the EFF is?
    I see they're trying to improve their ***** machine by appearing to be aware.
  • inactive, on 10/21/2008, -3/+8I hope there is a second life, you will need it...
  • ArthurSucks, on 10/22/2008, -0/+5Why God Why wont the MPAA just ***** die already.
  • Khast, on 10/22/2008, -0/+4Wait, did they invent batteries that last forever? Why wasn't that on the front page as well?
  • Dauntless1, on 10/22/2008, -0/+4@fieldhockey44
    The thing is, the MPAA brings up that changing format is copyright infringement. Such as, ripping anything from a physical media to your hard drive. It's *****, but thats why they want you to put the disc in the drive. Which makes legal DVD rippers pointless, therefor winning what the MPAA/RIAA want anyway- no LEGAL ripping software. It won't be long before they try to say the ability to rip ANYTHING to your computer is illegal, and therefor computers should be unable to do so. It'll be stupid, but right up their alley.
  • Matri, on 10/22/2008, -0/+4That's the kind of childish attacks that are made by a corporation that has no solution to bring forward but will continue to argue its outdated ideals anyway.
  • tech42er, on 10/22/2008, -0/+3Well, the MPAA is actually using Hulu as support for their side, saying it's no longer "Hollywodd vs Silicon Valley". As Ars points out, though:

    "The MPAA does have a point—there are now quite a large number of places where consumers can go in order to find legal video options. But that's exactly why Hollywood should stop focusing on lawsuits that don't stop determined pirates. Instead, the MPAA should continue improving the legal options available to users and making those options more usable."
  • sockpuppets, on 10/22/2008, -1/+4http://www.tshirthell.com/funny-shirts/what-the-fu ...
  • chokeaduck, on 10/22/2008, -0/+3Yeah, I thought that sounded a bit weird as well.
  • inactive, on 10/22/2008, -0/+3So living in today means that every one of us is a ***** crook who is only going to rent a DVD, copy it, then return it. ***** that, I'll just download it via Pirate Bay... now that is living in today.
  • inactive, on 10/22/2008, -0/+2You got beat out by a minute but i don't think that invalidates your right to get positive Diggs...
  • her0savestheday, on 10/22/2008, -3/+5In other news a Pot called a Kettle black.
  • mbtria, on 10/22/2008, -0/+2The MPAA, like the RIAA, seems to actually believe that its production for the last decade or so is actually worth stealing. I suspect that this is just a defense mechanism to protect themselves from the truth that is too awful for them to contemplate.
  • Culyt, on 10/22/2008, -0/+2Except, Hulu is US only and also people want to have local copies (unless Hulu lets you download?).

    ☢
  • ArthurSucks, on 10/22/2008, -0/+2A swing and a miss!
  • Ratteler, on 10/22/2008, -0/+2http://phueque.net/MPPSAlogo.png
  • shadywasabi, on 10/27/2008, -0/+1Hmm, it seems that the MPAA doesn't think that the DMCA is ham-handed enough, and somehow wants to conflate keeping a still-DRM'd copy of a work with actually decrypting that work.

    Next thing you know, they'll be claiming that renting movies is "circumvention" too.
  • surka, on 10/22/2008, -0/+1While i agree some Copyrights should exist (for author and/or the publisher) on the content, they are too harsh nowadays. I mean the distribution system - they restrict too much.

    And, well, i do believe this model is getting out-dated nevertheless. In the future.

  • rand0mm0nkey, on 10/22/2008, -0/+1I no longer have any interest in DVDs. I seem to have stopped watching things more than perhaps twice, which happens to be how many times I watched Dark Knight on TVDash. I think they have bigger problems than Real.
  • frieddonuts, on 10/22/2008, -0/+1I'd say that the EFF is one of the most forward-thinking organizations out there, making it neither pot nor kettle. They are the Electronic FRONTIER Foundation, after all.
    EDIT: Ignore my perfectionism. I'm a digger and I can't help it.
  • esc27, on 10/22/2008, -0/+1So the EFF made a legitimate, thoughtful argument and the MPAA retorted by calling them names and attacking their character.
    Very mature....
  • stattek, on 10/22/2008, -4/+4"'RealNetworks' RealDVD should be called StealDVD,' MPAA executive vice president and general counsel Greg Goeckner remarked about the product."


    HA, take that EFF.

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