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- mitchellg100, on 10/10/2007, -3/+72Dugg for the "Shady? Like a hundred year old elm" simile
- Twist05, on 10/10/2007, -0/+35*****...an incriminating comment.
Anyways ***** all these scare tactics and ***** the RIAA/MPAA. - noahhoward, on 10/10/2007, -2/+31"Stealing data is perfectly fine so long as you aren't stealing our data."
- zweben, on 10/10/2007, -0/+23If you RTFA, it says a FORMER employee HACKED into their email server and sold the emails.
- civperc, on 10/10/2007, -2/+23We live in an interesting time right now. Every day, week, month, there are bigger and bigger clashes with the new (torrent oriented sites, etc.) and the old (RIAA/MPAA). Something's going to have to give, permanently, and it'll be quite stirring to say the least.
- juicebag, on 10/10/2007, -5/+20Private trackers FTW.
- cplkai, on 10/10/2007, -2/+17Yeah, it's absolutely impossible for the MPAA to get in on a private tracker.
- Gryffydd, on 10/10/2007, -4/+18dugg for not calling it a metaphor
- GMorgan, on 10/10/2007, -3/+16Yeah the solution to needing more anonymity is to give your tracker even more information about you.
- deadlikeoscar, on 10/10/2007, -0/+13Translation: I'm so lame that I can't even get a Demonoid invite.
- Cherubim, on 10/10/2007, -0/+12Since when is wiretapping based on stolen evidence considered legal ? Only when the MPAA does it.
- STKD, on 10/10/2007, -0/+11What about copying data, leaving the original data relatively undisturbed? How is that?
- nhassan, on 10/10/2007, -0/+9think they'll pay digg 15,000 for who dugg the comment?
- shark72, on 10/10/2007, -0/+8Come on, we're all pirates here -- we know that you don't use terms like "theft" and "stolen" when you only make a copy. The emails were only copied.
If you don't appreciate it when people use the term "stealing" when you copy movies... why would you use the word yourself? - scabbers, on 10/10/2007, -0/+8Torrentspy needs to reveal the identity of the Judas! For free!
- lowerlogic, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7Not to be confused with those other White Houses.
- q1006662, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7WTF dude?
- Bricks, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6Dear MPAA,
You're doing it wrong. If your use of technology provides useful services to your customers, WITHOUT invading their privacy, you will succeed. It might be bumpy, you might have to reinvent your enterprise and profit paradigm a few times along the way.. but by being quick to adopt new technologies, and not wasting money and bad press on stomping fires that cannot be stomped, you might still exist in 20 years. Feel free to keep up your witch hunt, and your customers will eventually test to see if you sink too.
Heart,
An Increasingly Large Number of Modern, Informed Consumers - h4mx0r, on 10/10/2007, -2/+7I don't know about you, but it makes me feel safer.
- Caffeinate, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6"Perfectly fine so long as you aren't stealing OUR data. If we can collect a royalty on it, we'll see you in court."
- scabbers, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5I was thinking more along the lines of a savage e-beating, with photoshops and hacked myspaces.
- Flashman, on 10/10/2007, -2/+5They bought EMAILS, not EMAIL ADDRESSES. Unless you're a TorrentSpy executive, don't worry.
- Salgat, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4Thats pretty messed up. The MIAA is fighting against movie pirates with unethical means, not killing babies.
- Abomonog, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Makes me wish we were back in the 70's when A.S.C.A.P. ruled the music and movie scene.
- Caffeinate, on 10/10/2007, -2/+4Or the Bush White House.
- ketsugi, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1There's a difference between making a copy of private confidential data and publicly-available commercial data.
You're right, though. Calling it 'theft' would be hypocrisy at its finest. - inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Besides its very hard to track down who owns an email address since most of them are with hotmail/gmail type accounts, and I know I don't put down real information when signing up to that stuff.
They would have to go through every email provider / ISP in order to get any information from them anyway and chances are for the online ones it will be at most an ip address and they will need to then go through the ISP as well.
From actual emails they can get your IP but they can already do that through BitTorrent etc... - GoNoles, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1To be precise, it's not "no different than trade secrets being shared," it IS a trade secret being shared. And no, receiving a trade secret is not the same as receiving stolen property. And yes, the employee could be in hot water--disclosing trade secrets is a federal crime punishable up to 15 years in prison.
- DorkmasterFlek, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1This is an interesting legal situation...the MPAA basically took the informant on his word that the emails were obtained legally and it sounds like they weren't. Wouldn't that be a little thing the legal professions calls "willful blindness"? You know, it's on the list of those things that DON'T constitute a legal defense for a crime?
- Twasi, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1"(turns out that he had hacked into the mail server and forwarded the e-mails to a Gmail account of his own)."
These emails were obtained by someone who got them through illegal means (he illegaly accessed a closed system and stole information). If any evidence is obtained by breaking the law, regardless of who broke it to obtain it, it's not allowed in court. It's the same reason police have to get warrants to search houses (not only will they get fired but if they do find anything it's worthless because they obtained it legally). - renegadeafk, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Yea you basically summed it up
- TheRealPod, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I don't think Demonoid qualifies as Private. There are more Media sentry IP's then people on there.
- Giga, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1When they say "*****" like that it generally is some form of admission that they were using it illegally.
- ageofconan, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1mininova, suprnova, piratebay FTW.
More reason to piss off MPAA/RIAA - tech42er, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2May you live in interesting times.
- Gryffydd, on 10/10/2007, -3/+4Try explaining that to...say...your average Wal-Mart shopper.
- tech42er, on 10/10/2007, -2/+3Well, it's a simile.
- inspecality, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2That's our way.
- SilenceGold, on 10/10/2007, -2/+3I guess the former employee could be in trouble instead of MPAA for theft of data.
No different than trade secrets being shared. - Zeonix, on 10/10/2007, -2/+3Read the article. Torrentspy didn't sell anything.
- shark72, on 10/10/2007, -2/+3Not sure why you think the emails won't be admissible. Is that conjecture? Either way, you're most likely incorrect.
- shark72, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2copy a movie or music: "it's not stealing!"
copy email: well... see Puppetfunk's post.
Either way, he's wrong. Let's hope he's not torrentspy's lawyer.
Cool to see that torrentspy has employees. I guess there's good money in piracy. - haiduz, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2brilliant
- nalex, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1Private detectives have been going through waste paper bins for years and evidence is evidence. Does not mean the ex-employee is immune to be also prosecuted. One must remember that the legal profession makes much more if there are a series of legal suits - and how hard is it for the recording industry to license superior distribution technology rather than victimizing the curious punter trying to keep up with the latest trends in media?
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1You can bet that the MPAA/RIAA will shift the blame if it ever looked like they might have erred on the wrong side of the law, however (as much as it pains me to say it) it was the guy who stole the records in the first place that deserves the majority of the blame here.
- Twasi, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2They just wasted their money. If they go after anyone on that list they will have to prove they were participating in illegal activity and thus prove how they found them. If they can't provide proof on how they found them they have no case and if they say they used the emails they have no case. Since the data was stolen it is not allowed in court, at all. It doesn't matter if the police obtain it illegally or someone else does. Any evidence that was not gotten legally can't be used against you.
- webheaded, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1Not if they were unaware it was stolen. That's what the signed paper is for.
- cliffzdude, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1Digg for the Kinks allusion.
- Kyoji, on 10/10/2007, -1/+0I don't think the article is referring to email messages as much as it is referring to email addresses...
- CaptEnder, on 10/10/2007, -3/+2Agreed, but wouldn't the MPAA still be in trouble for receiving stolen property?
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