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- xOKxWhy, on 10/10/2007, -1/+30It's not in my interest
- sysadmin88, on 10/10/2007, -3/+27wouldn't encrypting torrents fix this problem?....ISPs cant stop pirating if they don't know whats being sent down the tubes...
- kris33, on 10/10/2007, -1/+20Great! MPAA is totally right. I simply love them. This will make everybody happy. It is in everyone's interest, right?!
/sarcasm - mavedatthews85, on 10/10/2007, -0/+18Deepen their relationship... does this mean Glickman is going to allow ISPs to touch his weiner now?
- Gadren, on 10/10/2007, -13/+27Hmm... it sure would be nice if we had something that kept the Net.... neutral.
Oops, I forgot -- Ron Paul's against it, therefore I must be against it too. - NikoKun, on 10/10/2007, -1/+14Our freedoms DEPEND on the MPAA NOT having good relationships with ISPs!!!
Don't let the ISPs give up your rights for you!!! - fani, on 10/10/2007, -3/+16***** MPAA.
- brim4brim, on 10/10/2007, -0/+13Its not really in the ISPs interests. If people don't have anything to download that requires a lot of bandwidth, they'll just sign up for a the cheapest package so there is no incentive to get a high bandwidth, high speed service if all your going to do is browse the web 90% of the time.
Customers won't really stand for it either. Regulation is important because companies are stupid and try to pull crap like limiting the service customers pay for. They should have to state exactly what they block in their terms and conditions. - jjesusfreak01, on 10/10/2007, -2/+11Unfortunately, this is something I disagree with Ron on. Although in a normal capitalist economy, the isps would be forced to implement some degree of net neutrality, in the current environment, it is more cost effective to not have net neutrality.
1. There are generally at most 2 high speed internet connections available at any home. Cable and DSL. It sucks to switch, so most people will stay with their isp even if they get abused.
2. ISPs are lazy and dont want to upgrade their networks (which they will have to do within the next few years regardless). Removing P2P traffic will unburden their networks, and let them be cheap for a couple more years.
3. If they arent stopped, ISPs might just try to charge larger bandwith sites, like Google. If Google was smart, they would simply block their site from the ISP that requests payment, and put a note saying that the ISP is being greedy, and then give the number for the ISPs customer support. They will probably get enough phonecalls in the next minute to want to reverse that decision. - Cerialthriller, on 10/10/2007, -0/+8uh yeah, my only alternative to verizon DSL is AOL dialup.. so your arguement is useless, not everyone lives in a metro area
- icsbase, on 10/10/2007, -1/+9It would be everyone's interest that MPAA would stick on facts and not spread lies about what everyone wants. They really havent asked anyone.
- williamdyer, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7This hurts the U.S. economy in a big way. We have crappy broadband compared to a lot of our economic competitors. Throw the MPAA under the bus and give us gigabit broadband.
- knobtwiddler, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7if torrent users use encryption, non-standard TCP ports, and azureus with safe peer plugin or other dynamic ban list of bad seeders, i think ATT will find it difficult to filter torrent traffic. i dont know specifics about the TCP connections that torrent uses.. whether the connection can be identified still if its encrpyted and on a non-standard port.. anyone??? what's comcast doing to throttle the torrent traffic?
- kris33, on 10/10/2007, -1/+7Well, it theoretical would, but even encrypted torrenting are easily detected now. Some ISPs can't detect encrypted torrenting, some can.
- Beltiras, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6I suppose that they are going to supply the ISPs with the ridiculously huge amounts of servers needed to crack just the simplest encryption protocols. Not to mention the filtering itself. And blind filters are going to stop fair use too.
- niknik, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6My ISP has already jumped into that bandwagon - since last weekend I can't use any torrents! And unfortunately, in here we can't sue them as easily as in the USA: All we can do is change to another ISP and hope they won't do the same thing.
Like I said in the complaint letter I sent them (already sent nearly 12 of them without any response) torrents aren't used just for illegal purposes, many companies are using it to distribute content.
Well, let's just hope it doesn't come a time when they think: "Hey, Google is using up much of our bandwidth, why not block it, or require an extra monthly fee to access it?" - halligan00, on 10/10/2007, -1/+7I've donated to Ron Paul's campaign, and I disagree with him on this one. ISPs may not be complete monopolies, but they've got some monopoly privileges. Whoever owns the cabling right of ways has a non-competitive advantage; they should be charged full rental rates for this legally-recognized (and created) privilege. Regulation is only second best, but it's still better than complete laissez-faire.
- aus10js86, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5To bad the whole free market thing works only if the ISP's don't have a monopoly.
- Buelldozer, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5ISPs can't even handle CF for ***SPAM***. WTF makes the *IAA think they are going to be able / willing to help them with P2P?
- offspring06, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5MPAA can go gobble a *****.
- Harbinger67, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5Leave Ron Paul alone! He is a human being! If you want to bash Ron Paul, you'll have to go through keyboardduder!
- oldhick, on 10/10/2007, -4/+9I'll bash Ron all I want. First if you don't understand an issue, then don't vote and don't comment. The problem is that in a free market place, you'd have one maybe two providers at best. Second, the issue isn't charging more for more bandwidth, the issue is that they want to degrade your service and make you pay more to use it. As for larger bandwidth sites... That issue is complete bull *****. Google pays for their internet access, we pay for our internet access. The money is being made. This is just an attempt to bully more revenue out of people because the networks already have too much power due to lack of competition.
- fkr3, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6There aren't that many ISP's and particularly there aren't that many that have their own infrastructure.
- adml_shake, on 10/10/2007, -2/+7Dear RIAA:
We (the ISP's of America) would certainly be interested in mock..talking to you. However after the last meeting our two groups had with each other, we must request this time that you clear up any cases of "cranial rectitus" that all of your employees seem to suffer from. We understand that you like the smell, but many of our people couldn't work for the rest of the week due to becoming violently ill.
ISP's of America. - smokeyphikap420, on 10/10/2007, -2/+6Why doesn't the MPAA worry about making original movies that don't reek like ***** when they hit the theater or arrive from Netflix? Then maybe I'll fork over a few bucks, once I am offered something with substance and worth for my viewing pleasure...
- williamdyer, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Wouldn't fly here. Too many people here depend on encryption for legit uses.
- dupswapdrop, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Pick a port that a game uses and use that, they can't tell if your gaming or downloading that way.
- cpg2018, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4If that's Ron Paul's justification for avoiding advocating Net Neutrality, it's entirely uninformed, idealized, and ill conceived. With the lack of competition of ISP's as they now are, many people only have one or two viable options at the most for high speed. I suppose the government should leave the big telco's and isp's alone and unregulated too, because it's so easy for a new competitor to come into those markets as things are not. (rolls eyes)
- williamdyer, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Making the MPAA a pseudo-taxing body would be a huge error. Better to delete the record industry entirely than allow that to happen.
- bdpf, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Now if the ISP would only get together with all the utilities and up grade the Web infrastructure so we have good capacity through out the country. . . . . (Filtered) [censored]
OH I forgot, it would take a lot of money and spoil their bottom line. Gee I think we're stuck with the junk we have. Plus it would limit the funds needed to filter what we might want to access on the WEB.
/sar.......filtered - luchid, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Actually encryption is easily bypassed. They don't need to decrypt packets, they just drop the ones that follow a traffic pattern resembling the one of a typical P2P session. I live in argentina, and one of the biggest cable ISPs (Fibertel) is actually able to throttle P2P transfers even when encryption is set to forced.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4If companies submit to this (and bottleneck encrypted packets instead of even bothering to decrypt them), eventually an ISP will rise with the motto of unfiltered content. I will await for them with my arms open
- williamdyer, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4Yes, we do. And you can just ***** off about it. Defacto, we do have that freedom. What's more important: Our freedom, or Britney Spears making money off recorded music?
- pauleku, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3as long as they define "everyone" as the MPAA, then sure they are right. Goddamn *****.
- jbhannah, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3I'll be amazed if this isn't a repeat, but it seems fitting that "MPAA", "head", "deeper", and "ISP" all appear in the title.
I'll leave that open to interpretation. - Eccohawk, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Do you regularly put things that reek like ***** in your queue?
- arbulus, on 10/10/2007, -2/+4I think it's a matter of which ports you use as well. Encrypting as well as redirecting the ports could help prevent the ISPs from realizing what's going on.
- bshock, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2While I would never advocate violence against anyone, I'm always ready to suggest that certain individuals do the world a favor and take themselves out of the game permanently. Mr. Glickman is an excellent example of such an individual. The world would be a slightly more reasonable place if he (and perhaps most of his MPAA underlings) decided to take a dive off a tall building.
- TekTrixter, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2That could only happen if we had a free market. We don't.
- donavan, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2so I wonder if he will let us rummage through his mail
- offspring06, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2yes we do
- fkr3, on 10/10/2007, -2/+4VOIP, gaming, video sites like youtube etc all put you in need of a nice connection.
- coheedcollapse, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2I love how the head of one of the most internet-hated figures in America is pretending he knows what everyone wants on the internet. Yeah. Makes sense.
- cynicist, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1He's against any government regulation. He's not going to alter his beliefs on one issue. Thats what makes him a good candidate... Though I'm sure there are many things we could do at the state level to promote competition if we were motivated enough to do it.
- tropican8, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Ron Paul said he was against the Net Neutrality law brought before Congress because it would allow the taxation of the internet, due to awkward wording.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Guess they haven't heard of indirection........
- rabidmonkey1, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1*Moves to Sweden*
- PacketScan, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1MPAA is a JOKE.
So "content filtering at the ISP level isn't just something the studios want... it's in everyone's interest."
AKA censoring.
What can we do about this? switch isps? great.. make more operate in this monopolistic enviroment. - Matri, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1We already knew this. Everyone on Digg, everyone not on Digg, every's pets, everyone's ancestors, everyone's descendants.
The ONLY ones who don't know this is the RI/MPAA. - Eccohawk, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1You'd be much better off using the ports required for downloads from something like Steam, or Movielink, or iTMS, or Netflix' download service. They expect a lot of traffic on those ports, and expect it to be legit more often than the random port # you assigned. The problem still remains though that advances in traffic analysis can still quickly determine that you are using a peer to peer program versus a direct download service, and might filter content based on that.
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