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- irased, on 10/10/2007, -0/+178lol. This will only make The Pirate Bay bigger. Everyone from TorrentSpy or IsoHunt would just start to downloading torrents directly from The Pirate Bay. And the MPAA is just gonna have a even harder time trying to take down a foreign tracker.
- sfacets, on 10/10/2007, -5/+99Moral of the story? Stop buying DVD's, going to theaters and buying merchandise. "piracy" wpuldn't be a problem if the greedy bastards put a fair price on movies.
- rolmos, on 10/10/2007, -0/+84This just makes more and more people switch to private trackers... or Swedish trackers..
- coolboy0286, on 10/10/2007, -19/+98So the MPAA has not heard of MediaDefender's embarrasing story yet? Well, no need, in like a week they will experience it themselves when thousands of angry bit torrent users are at their doorstep with shotguns.
- stealth45, on 10/10/2007, -2/+68*****, i really liked isohunt..
- relaxiknwarchie, on 10/10/2007, -2/+52I wonder if Demonoid is in the mix as well... Its been down for 12 hours or more
- manicallday, on 10/10/2007, -2/+51The MPAA and the RIAA make visits to my law school every year. I think that since this is my last semester that I'm going to stage some sort of protest. If you have any ideas on what I may ask or do to the panel please write it below.
Thanks. - dudefather, on 10/10/2007, -4/+48in like a week they will experience it themselves when thousands of angry bit torrent users are emailing them with petitions featuring a bold red font.
fixed it for you - FTLJohnson, on 10/10/2007, -1/+44"Don't tase me bro" .... Do it.
- fkr3, on 10/10/2007, -13/+45Thousands of angry bittorent users with what? The law's not on your side, all that would achieve is transitioning piracy to a 'violent crime' and guaranteeing it became criminal + enforced.
- NoobieDoobieDo, on 10/10/2007, -0/+31http://www.proxy.org
All of your problems are solved. - ACrazyGerman, on 10/10/2007, -3/+31*****! first TorrentSpy now ISOhunt. This blows huge ball sack.
- Hittman6, on 10/10/2007, -0/+25First, form an angry mob that drags them out in pubic.
Second, Tar Them
Third, Feather Them. - humanerror, on 04/03/2008, -2/+26I'm still waiting for the new Beethoven album to finish downloading.
My great great grandfather started the transfer via smoke signal, and it's at 87.2% complete now. - GeForce8800GTX, on 10/10/2007, -0/+23brandonace wrote: "Ok the more they try to block us out the more crative we get just give it up is what I say ...
1st it was Kazza then limewire not torrents and a few new ways i have found (hehehe) we are going to keep doing it not everyone has the cash to spend to go out and buy the stuff. hell I can't."
You really think KaZaA was first? Hahaha. Ha. Wow. Oblivious. - Pixelante, on 10/10/2007, -2/+25Yeah, right. What's next, they will bomb the MPAA headquarters with X-Wing fighters? Sober up, small boy.
- AeroSquid, on 10/10/2007, -0/+22if you think Kazza was first then you are a noob of the highest order.
- manicallday, on 10/10/2007, -0/+21Actually, I hope this will cause other torrent sites to take more of an offensive approach like PB. It's much better to sue than to be sued.
- OccultVariable, on 10/10/2007, -0/+21GeForce8800GTX, your username is going to be outdated in a year or less.
- norman619, on 10/10/2007, -0/+21Funny how the MPAA and RIAA don't understand this.
- flickr, on 10/10/2007, -2/+23It is TV's "season premiere" week, I'm sure it's just the extra burst of traffic that's knocked them out.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+20The thing is isohunt is just a torrent indexer. They don't host or track any of the torrents available. MPAA/RIAA know they can't go after the real trackers.
- FTLJohnson, on 10/10/2007, -3/+21or a new US company will simply spring up. The MPAA is going against the market.... Which means no matter how "illegal" file sharing becomes... there will ALWAYS be a torrent site to go to because there will ALWAYS be a demand for them... this IS the new business model... Torrent sites make money on ads, and the MPAA makes money by suing torrent sites. This is how Government works... entirely inefficiently. The MPAA will be around until the Government finds a way to profit from this in a way OTHER than all the money it's getting from these court cases... Maybe one day they will say that the MPAA is no longer needed, and instead the Federal government will take over with what they will call an "artist's tax" where the US government taxes all mp3's and then they will also not actually pay out to the artists... just like the MPAA and RIAA.
- dchaosdx, on 10/10/2007, -2/+20i noticed that too. i hope demonoid doesn't puss out.
- hexydes, on 10/10/2007, -1/+19"...we do it because we are thiefs and want to save a few bucks a month."
I disagree. Many people download content because it is actually more convenient. If you have a 50" plasma television with a huge home theater setup and a wireless connection to your home file server, other than the legality of the situation, what is the incentive to have to go online to look up show times, get in your car, drive to the theater, pay $8, and have to sit with a bunch of other people (who may or may not be yelling, talking on their phone, smell bad, etc), when you could just download the movie in almost the same quality and watch it on your awesome setup at home?
Also, many of the legal means of acquiring content are heavily DRM-laden, and allow people to only use their content in a certain way. Lots of people want to view their content how they want, not how other people want. Again, other than legality, why should they lock themselves into a certain infrastructure, AND have to pay for the content, when they could use their own system, AND get the movies for free?
Many people outside of the US have to wait many extra months for this content to become legally available to them. Legality aside, if a show is available to download six months before it becomes available otherwise, why should someone wait to watch it? By then, everyone has talked about it, the content has already been spoiled, and then you don't want to watch it anyway.
And then as you said, there are people that just want content for free. Say what you want, but when a studio is charging $30 for a movie, or $100 for a season of a show, it starts getting pretty tempting to just go grab said content online, especially when it is so readily available, easy to acquire, and hard to get caught. It may not be legal, but it certainly is easy and appealing.
So looking at those various scenarios, it seems that the re-occurring theme is that if you pirate content, it is easy, more convenient, cheaper, less-restrictive, and basically works around the consumer, rather than working for the company. The only negative aspect is that it is breaking copyright law, which if you ask many people, is itself broken anyway. Additionally, for every person that these organizations sue, they make 100 new enemies. Add to that the fact that the younger crowd is so intrinsically aware of how technology works, and it is so ingrained in their lives, and the technology makes it so easy to get the content and not get caught, that they literally just don't care at all about what the MPAA and RIAA are saying.
The various organizations had a prime opportunity in the late 90's to exploit the new technology that was becoming available, provide an entirely new distribution chain, and make themselves relevant (and profitable) for the next 25 years. They chose the alternative course of trying to push technology back. They were warned by those pioneering the use of this technology at the time (on places like Slashdot and such, before Digg was around) that this would ultimately lead to their becoming antiquated and ultimately irrelevant, but they chose to ignore that and continue on attempting to litigiously push their way back to how it was.
Ultimately, we will read in history books about how things used to be and laugh. Unfortunately for those organizations involved, they will be long gone at that point. - adml_shake, on 10/10/2007, -1/+19Thats not even really the problem. The main issue is that for so many years these companies have put out crap. Big piles of steaming crap and charged us an arm and a leg for it. Now they are getting what they gave, they give us crap but we sure don't have to pay for it.
- ren1999, on 10/10/2007, -1/+19The MPAA, RIAA, and DRM technology is already receiving a backlash from consumers. People are downloading their content in an act of rebellion against their overpriced movies and music.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -2/+19I doubt that. The MPAA fight on a different battleground than MediaDefender. I don't think it's not possible to take them down, but it's going to take more than all the US Torrent users to do it.
It sucks that the MAFIAA and the media industries don't realize that it's just not possible to stop it. You can try all you like to even dampen it, but you're not going to make much of a dent. If torrent users can't get copyrighted material for free from one place, they'll go to another. That's the hydra. Even if you manage to stomp out all copyrighted material, you can still legally get copyrighted material with DRM, which van be cracked locally. And if you kill that, you will have to face a lot of unhappy people both in cyberspace and meatspace.
Right now, in fact, we have the potential energy to take down the MAFIAA. It's easy: no one buy music. At all. Go without the latest music for awhile (or just torrent it). Convince your friends to do the same thing. If you have not so tech-savvy friends, just explain to them this giant injustice, and ask for help promoting it. - shredomatic, on 10/10/2007, -0/+17Big deal, it's not like you're downloading the files from the tracker, so location doesn't matter.
- Genma, on 10/10/2007, -0/+16isohunt is just a higher level index anyways, mpaa is retarded for going after them since it accomplishes nothing.
- TinMan, on 10/10/2007, -4/+18Come on, can you not see 'thousands' of geeks having an armed uprising with their plasma rif....ummm shotguns at the mpaa's doorstep? Yeah, it's coming.
/sarcasm - OmegaWolf, on 10/10/2007, -1/+15The MPAA and RIAA will never be able to stop downloaders. We'll just find another way to do as we please.
- manicallday, on 10/10/2007, -1/+15Unfortunately, are not going to taser a graduating law student at a law school. I would take the 5 min of pain for the huge pay off.
- positron, on 10/10/2007, -0/+13Speaking of Miivi, is the tracker down? All my TV torrents are giving me either "connection reset by peer" or "timed out" errors.
- Stefan380, on 10/10/2007, -3/+16And the pirate bay just gained more traffic.
- norman619, on 10/10/2007, -0/+12Their legal threats section is great!
- tony4moroney, on 10/10/2007, -1/+13use a proxy
- chsbrgr, on 10/10/2007, -0/+12First I remember was SIAA's "Don't copy that floppy" advert, early 90's & hell that's not even old school
- H0ns, on 10/10/2007, -1/+12Isohunt is down.
Long live Isohunt! - 2shae, on 10/10/2007, -1/+12Move to Europe
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -10/+21You people kill me. The majority of pirates (including myself) do not download as an "act of protest" we do it because we are thiefs and want to save a few bucks a month. I download but at least I don't make excuses for my thievery.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -1/+11While I understand your claim that the law is not on our side I must disagree that we are not consumers.
Hee is how my music downloading works. I hear a song on the radio or that a friend is playing is his/her car. I like it. I then download the album and see if I like additional tracks. If I like the whole album I buy the CD. If I only like certain songs I either buy the individual songs online or I buy them on a disc at Electric Fetus.
I also go see the bands in concert. So really, sharing music has made me more of a consumer.
From my experience with others I am not an exception.
Why do you think iTunes does so well? People are no longer trapped into paying $16+ for a CD that contains only 2 songs they like. Since radio only plays certain songs from a CD you rarely get a chance to hear the whole album unless you download it or someone you know takes the plunge and buys it.
Sure, there are always going to be those that download the music and never pay for any of it. Remember cassettes? People use to tape music off the radio. Remember VHS? People used it to tape TV shows and movies. Guess what? Both of those faced the same type of uproar from the music and TV industry, the same claims that it was ruining the industries by raping them of millions and billions in revenue.
They were wrong. People still bought music and movies. Technology didn't kill their business then and it still won't. - alexpigment, on 10/10/2007, -5/+15have you ever tried to look for a good cd on the pirate bay? or a tv show? isohunt owns, and has always owned.
- IADTatami, on 10/10/2007, -3/+13I'll assume that you are ignorant, and not a liar: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060320-6418 ...
The largest P2P downloader demographic is also the largest music buying demographic. - humanerror, on 04/03/2008, -2/+12"this is sparta"
- Nougat, on 10/10/2007, -2/+12My bum is on the Swedish. Sweeeedish.
- hexydes, on 10/10/2007, -0/+10You're aware that the MPAA and RIAA are not America, right? Just because they share the same country as us, does not mean they represent us any more than some nutjob on the street spewing rhetoric. They are no different than any other corrupt organization, in any number of countries around the world, save for the fact that they are huge and have vast resources at their hands, and you, and everyone else in the world, is just as responsible for providing them an income as citizens of the US.
Just go to a site like boxofficemojo.com, look up the latest Hollywood blockbuster, and see how much money came from domestic (US) sales, and how much came from foreign (non-US) sales. It is usually somewhere between a 70/30 and 50/50 split.
At any rate, these organizations do not represent America, American citizens, or even American ideals. Feel free to disagree and dislike these organizations as much as you like, but just remember, most tech-savvy American citizens feel the same way as you do (and conversely, non-tech-savvy Americans are as naive about the situation as the non-tech-savvy citizens of your country). - norman619, on 10/10/2007, -1/+10Wow... that's pretty amazing. Your crappy logic hurt my head.
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