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- feylanks, on 10/12/2007, -0/+233SHHH.
they are starting to point fingers at themselves, don't stop them. hell must have frozen over. - ajb2015, on 10/12/2007, -6/+122Despite all the fuss over p2p networks and suing customers, I'm actually more likely to pirate something than I was five years ago. DRM is something I will never touch, no matter what form it is in. As the "war on piracy" has progressed, free alternatives to DRM-infected media haven't even diminished. Does the MPAA/RIAA really think I'm just going to pay for handicapped media because I want to feel good about myself? ***** no. Everytime I finish downloading a new movie or album, I feel great.
- latova, on 10/12/2007, -5/+113But yet, DRM doesn't really stop piracy regardless.
- noodlez, on 10/12/2007, -3/+108drm stops stupid pirates. temporarily.
- Chompy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+85Well, that guy's fired.
- DDoSAttack, on 10/12/2007, -0/+79FTA - “I understand that if we frustrate the consumer, they will simply pirate the content.”
Holy *****!!! Are you telling me that there is someone at one of the two agencies (RIAA & MPAA) that actually understands that they are completely ***** up??? No way. I don't believe you. You speak LIES I tell you LIES!!! - drlha, on 10/12/2007, -1/+65It stops "casual" piracy. I.e. giving a track you bought off iTunes to a friend.
The fact is though, any album I buy off iTunes I can download for free off P2P, DRM is doing nothing to stop that, and will do nothing to stop that the entire time that the music industry's main format is digital and mainly DRM free (i.e. the CD). - Bhima, on 10/12/2007, -2/+59Hey he is close: Piracy is due to the fact that the entire media content delivery system is flawed and it is enabled by the fact that DRM can never work.
- thesauce, on 10/12/2007, -2/+51It's a trick, I swear it's a damn trick.
- qbix, on 10/12/2007, -0/+44I think they are saying that current DRM models are too prohibitive but they are not going to abandon the idea DRM altogether. I say any DRM at all IS the reason some people pirate media. Others like me don't agree with the current pricing model and see more value in things like IPTV, independent and foreign films which don't get enough exposure in movie theaters or the "New Releases" isle at department stores or Blockbusters. The MPAA needs to look outside the box, abandon any kind of DRM, adjust their pricing model, and embrace movie download services which prioritize the consumer, not the studios. Not all "pirates" want to be pirates and would be happy paying for fair-use rights and VALUE.
- Str8Dog, on 10/12/2007, -2/+41Paging Captain Obvious... Captain Obvious please join us in this thread... Paging Captain Obvious.
When will media companies realize that DRM only hurts paying customers? Who then turn into pirates. - afex, on 10/12/2007, -0/+36@jack
that and combined with that content being just good enough that we want to see/hear it, yet still ***** enough that we don't want to pay for it. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -7/+43I think it's more to do with price-gouging.
And the fact that we CAN. - JackHererUK, on 10/12/2007, -3/+38Pircay is the result of there being content to be pirated.
- gwalbridge, on 10/12/2007, -2/+36Clearly piracy didn't exist before DRM was around.
Yeah, and maybe I'm a chinese jet pilot. - drpeppper, on 10/12/2007, -1/+25RIAA should of just contracted ninjas. That would of stopped the pirates.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -10/+34Not a lot of media these days is worth pirating, let alone paying for.
- LucasOman, on 10/12/2007, -4/+26Gee, I wonder how many consulting firms he had to hire to figure that one out.
Unfortunately, everyone is already so pissed off about their DRM experiences that the situation is probably irreparable. If he'd figured this out a couple years ago, things may have worked out better for them. - shakin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+18He's only partly right. People will also pirate when the pirated copy is better. PC game publishers figured that out a decade ago when they stopped asking the player to "Enter the third word of the second paragraph on page 62 of the manual". Players would just download a pirated copy of a game they bought so they wouldn't have to do that. Next time they would just get the pirated copy because they knew the retail version was crap.
With music and movies the media companies had it made: they had the best quality content. MP3s just don't have great quality. They screwed it up in two ways.
1. Sound engineers started compressing audio into the top part of the dynamic range that CDs can produce. This effectively made CDs sound more like LPs, but without the needle noise. Nearly all new CDs are produced this way, and have been for years. MP3s should be much worse than CDs, but because of poorly produced CDs the difference isn't very large.
2. They introduced DRM that was so bad customers decided it was better to have inferior sound than DRM. The media companies tried to restrict their customers from doing things that they had always done, such as copy songs for friends or for themselves. - bocher, on 10/12/2007, -2/+18i hope that one day they learn some basic economics:
- Reduce the price of CDs and downloads drastically and the sales volume will rise
- Save a huge bunch of money by cutting DRM development and chasing mom & pop 'criminals'
- Profits rise
everybody happy.
Digg? - MonkeyFit, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16"Apple’s FairPlay is possibly the best example of DRM that doesn’t get in the way."
Um, what? As far as I know, you're pretty much locked into Apple made players for anything with that DRM on it. I'm not saying that MS DRM is better, but if FairPlay is the best example of DRM that doesn't get in the way, I guess that's an example of just how bad the DRM situation really is. - rajulkabir, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14Everyone I know who travels a lot eventually becomes a DVD pirate, because of the region coding thing.
I regularly travel on four continents (and occasionally elsewhere). When I am somewhere for a little while (e.g., here in Australia for a month) I may join a video rental shop so I can choose my own movies rather than relying on cable.
After a few trips my laptop DVD drive won't let me change regions anymore, and it's one of the annoying ones where VLC and MPlayer won't work if the region code doesn't match. So either I buy a new DVD drive, or I talk to a few guys and find the local pirate DVD hookup (there is always a place, you just have to ask the right people).
Well, sorry, I am not going to blow $250 on a replacement extra-slim DVD burner because of some contrived constraint imposed on me by the movie industry. I'm ordinarily a conscientious law abider (I don't even speed), but honestly, they can bite me. - jtorque, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16Piracy probably isn't the largest problem with their decrease in sales. Maybe it's just because there aren't many good movies and music selections to blow money on these days.
- acousticiris, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13The problem with creating a simple, inter-compatible, and non-intrusive DRM is that such a technology will be impossible to create without also making it easy to circumvent.
Here's how it works:
1) "Simple, non-intrusive" (both are the same)
2) Inter-compatible (runs on every certified device it should run on)
or
3) Secure
Take simple DVD DRM. The goal is "Runs on any certified DVD player, and with certified DVD player software. Doesn't allow copying or transfer of data to another device." Simple, inter-compatible for the purposes it was outlined to perform. Cracked quickly.
Now, in an attempt to "secure it up" a little more by breaking IFO files, and performing other perversions of the format, they've managed to lose inter-compatibility since some DVD players won't play the discs and many computers are now choking on these new discs too. Take away a little inter-compatibility and add a little security (very little).
They're looking for a magic genie, whereby they can prevent all types of piracy without hindering, at all, the experience of using the product they're selling. They've had the last several years to perfect it and each has been met with huge user backlash due to loss of flexibility, and has it caused...even once...the item they're protecting to not end up somewhere, unprotected/encumbered, on a file sharing site?
The problem with these new schemes is that they're so intrusive they *will* lead otherwise anti-piracy folks to file sharing networks. The first time their BD movie won't play because the player doesn't "pass" one of the many checks, will be the last time that user buys a BD. - klawz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10I'd say (unfortuntnaly) that it's the opposite, the vast majority (shown by the millions/billions in sales volume) don't care, it's the 10-12% leftover that they are targeting now, and those are the ones who pirate when they don't get their way (like me) when I buy a CD I better damn well be able to back it up, when I buy an MP3, I better damn well be able to play it on any device I choose to own.. I think I'm in the 10-12%, not the bigger "oh my, this is cool, let me buy it" and not care about the DRM what-so-ever.
- edzieba, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11"a simple, inter-compatible and non-intrusive DRM solution."
Hey, there's already a simple, inter-compatable and non-intrusive DRM solution, that is also cross platform, and already enabled on every video playback device:
NONE. AT. ALL. - FRAGaLOT, on 10/12/2007, -5/+15Okay this title is complete *****.
Piracy has been around long before DRM or any form of copy protection was created. It's because of piracy these things were created. DUH!! Anyone who was alive during the 80s saw all the different ways and techniques on how software makers made it difficult to copy their software. Some rather clever. But like it's already been said, it does not curb piracy at all, it's just a hassle for legit users.
This is a lot like gun control, it doesn't hurt nor bother criminals, but it does encroach law abiding citizens who use firearms. And no I don't belong to the NRA nor do I even own a gun. But you don't have to be a shotgun toting redneck to know gun control is BS, as well as copy protection/DRM. - thomn8r, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13I can't count the number of times I've d/l'd something via P2P and deleted it before I got 1/2-way through it, thankful that I hadn't actually *paid* for the crap.
- ShadowNetworks, on 10/12/2007, -4/+14I'm going to go out on a limb here and say a few things....
Uhh.... REALLY? Like we hadn't figured that out months ago.
Second, is it me, or does the MPAA really hire stupid people who come to obvious conclusions or seem to rush decisions? I feel like I'd be talking to a bunch of idiots if I ever had to face them.
Hire someone other than High School Grads guys, you'd be better off with people who have a Masters degree or above. I think I'll band with the Canadian artists who are for the spread of their music because it's art and they want people to hear it. - cell00, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11Don't copy that floppy!
- noreturn, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11No, you need the assault rifle with the armor-piercing rounds so that the criminal with the same gun will seriously think twice about using it.
He has a legitimate point; DRM, like gun control, is not going to stop a person who didn't care about the law in the first place. - stealthboy, on 10/12/2007, -4/+13I approve of your use of an Army of Darkness quote. Dugg just for that.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10Piracy is the result of countless years of record and movie industry excesses and customer reaming. They are reaping what they sewed. DRM is a non issue. And it never will be.
- inkyblue2, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8the day i will seriously listen to arguments about DRM is the day when they come from a nonprofit organization that *truly* represents artists by giving them every cent of the profit after distribution and overhead costs. at the moment, when artists are making pennies on the dollar, anything these organizations have to say is bogus.
the old methods of distribution are dead-- so let them die. the old methods of talent scouting are dead-- so let them die. nobody will even know what the business model of the future looks like while we still allow the unnaturally preserved corpse of the old business model to lumber around chewing on brains. - vertinox, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9Hrm... Its not that hard to install bit torrent and go to pirate bay and download the same version of the song.
The point being is that those non-technical people would have not been able to figure out to copy the file even without DRM restrictions. Heck... I doubt they wouldn't even find their Music folder... But if they are able to figure out how to burn it to CD then they can share it regardless of fairplay DRM.
However, the same person may become outraged and never pay for an iTMS song again if their computer crashes and they realize they have to rebuy all their songs. - NJank, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10countered by the ninja-pirates...
- se7en11, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11Add the "http://" in front of your URLs or else it will just display as text. :(
- nalf38, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8no kidding. If DVDs and CDs were commodity items, say under $10 and $5, respectively, they would be sold in droves. They would be impulse buy items that you see at the cash register.
- Suplyndmnd, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7@masamunecyrus
You hit the nail on the head friend. Things that are pirated by most people are things they cant/wouldn't buy by any means. I download movies and music but if it's music I like I go buy the CD. If it's a movie I'm dying to see I go to the movie theater to see it. Most scary movies I go because most movies on-line that are dark, you cant see anyways. And I, too, prefer the massive screen with Dolby Digital or THX surround sound as opposed to someone tuned into an FM frequency or plugged into the jack on the armrest. *(Note: Kinda funny that we have the same budget too. But the answer isn't putting out better movies. No no. It's to stop us from downloading them instead. Good pool of resources huh?)
DRM is like a lock on a door. It is to keep honest people out and those who are afraid to cross that line of breaking and entering. Someone who wants in, can get in and can do so quite easily. What i find funny is that they are trying to sink so many resources into finding a DRM that's going to protect the music/movies but wont hurt us in the process. They've been looking for this for years and will continue to do so for probably another 5+ years at minimum. It's funny because by the time they think of something, it'll take less than a month to crack it and get around it. Then they are back at square 1 again.
Funny how they've spent so much time/money into trying to stop people from stealing "their" products instead of putting it into movies/music WORTH buying instead. Until new and smarter people are running the RIAA/MPAA then this will continue and the idiocy will reign supreme. - se7en11, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7We just need more ads like this --> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4837609090332617729&q=copy+floppy&hl=en
- vhold, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7"The DRM for iTunes is fine for me, I don't pirate music anymore"
The iTunes DRM doesn't really stop piracy, but it does lock legitimate users into the iPod platform. Your music is nontransferable. It's likely that some point in your life, you will be looking for ways to circumvent the DRM because of that. - Nougat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7What the **AAs always seem to forget:
They could come up with the perfect, simple, non-intrusive, cross-platform DRM system. People would still try to break it. There's a lot of smart people out there whose path to fulfillment is breaking DRM, and they're going to spend whatever time it takes to do it.
Then, once some *one* person has cracked "DRM Scheme N," they tell everyone in the world about it, and then it's just plain cracked.
Besides that, there's always always always going to be an "analog hole." It's a ***** phrase anyway - it means "We want you to be able to read the data, but not be able to *READ* the data." Can't have it both ways. - MasteRR, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Well all we have to do is couter-counter with Jedis, Robots, and Zombies.
- mediatrips, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Content producers are constantly making paying licensing fees to BETA, VHS, CD, DVD, HDVD, etc makers to distribute the content. If content producers would just let us purchase the content with noncommercial/attribution rights then we (consumers) could do what we want with the content. Sell it to me in a raw file and if I want the damn thing on a DVD then I'll burn it to a DVD. Why are content producers continuing to pay these fools for their outdated distribution methods?
OK i'm done. Bye Bye - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Alot of times i download and burn things and i think damn, i wasted a cd-r on that "band" or "movie" I cant imagine how i would of felt if i had paid pull price for it.
- DDoSAttack, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6It won't work for some reason???
Here it is again, hopefully this works for you...
http://duggmirror.com/tech_news/MPAA_Piracy_is_the_outcome_of_DRM_complications - synagence, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5For me the pain of DRM isnt actually the inability to copy it but the fact i can't do any processing on that file ... also i don't buy Digital content simply because the quality of that content is poor....Apple iTMS is 128kbps AAC which is not good enough ... i like CD's at 192 or higher
Anyway...if i buy a file from iTMS i cannot run a volume gain id3 tag adjustment on that file to bring it in line with the rest of my music therefore when i hit i protected file its way too loud and distorts with iPod EQ.... - shosterman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Might as well get rid of all laws, courts, restrictions and money because all people are good and genuine! What a perfect Utopia!
It has nothing to do with being trustworthy, it's about consumer choice and convenience. Let's say I, a consumer, want to purchase a song. I go online (using an arbitrary catalog) and search for the song. If it's available and reasonably priced, I'll buy it. If it's not, I can either drive to the store to buy the album or I can use an "alternative" method to get it.
Now even if I did get the song and want to play it anything besides my proprietary player I'm immediately restricted by the DRM. So again I either have to purchase the song a second time or resort to "alternative" methods of getting around the DRM.
The point is, it's not necessarily the fault of the DRM that people pirate it's either the lack of convenience or the price. Provide consumers access to FULL catalogs, remove the DRM, and toss in a couple sales and promotions and you're on to a good start. Trust me, most people are willing to legally purchase media, but it has to a convenience NOT a burden for them to do so. - superkendall, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Excellent.
Now the second step is to realize that all DRM is intrusive.
The last step is to abanon DRM reap the rewards as people pour money upon them since the products they sell would actually be useful. Piracy would increase but so would sales. - rdotson, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I find it ironic that sometimes it's less hassle to download an album or movie from the Internet using a P2P app than it is to bother with a DRM removal software tool for an album or movie I've legally purchased. :-)
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