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- kevin.gc, on 10/12/2007, -8/+35Ahh, they make really nice computers...Thinkpads. The problem is, I think MacBook Pros are the new Thinkpads.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+28@ anon
Did you even read the article? Lenovo's sales rose 38 percent. They posted a loss because of the costs associated with its purchase of IBM's PC unit. As it completes its integratation and restructuring process over the next couple of years, they will return to profitability. - Goatman, on 10/12/2007, -7/+34MacBook Pros aren't nearly as indestructable as Thinkpads.
- TopherT, on 10/12/2007, -2/+17Maybe if they kept the Thinkpad branding.
- foolfromhell, on 10/12/2007, -10/+24MacBook Pros are way too expensive.....
Its great if you have the money... Not sure buisnesses will start buying MBPs by the hundreds for their employees - anon52, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15It is unfortunate. I had switched to Thinkpads from Dells several years ago. My office (about 20 units) tried Dells and Gateways but once they saw the reliability and usability of the Thinkpad, everyone was switched on the next upgrade.
However, the top-of-the-line TPs were not cheap - $3,500US for the T42P. This is probably in line with a MacBook Pro (I don't know.) Admittedly, one _could_ buy Thinkpads for around $1,000, but they weren't the executive/developer-class machines.
For personal, selfish reasons I hope Lenova continues the IBM maintenance tradition. But I realize that all things come to pass. If Apple with OSX and Leopard are the new kings of the hill, more power to them! - joeyjojo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12a) MacBooks can run Windows just fine.
b) ThinkPads are about the same as MacBooks in price when looking at comparable features. - Quix, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11"when did we get the completely rabid mac fans? a macbook cant be 'the new thinkpad' because it doesnt run windows."
Huh??? Intel-based Macs have been running Windows (natively) for 6 months now...
P.S. I like ThinkPads, and it would definitely be my PC laptop of choice after a Mac... - webpoet73, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8There are alot of people who don't know who Lenovo is, but they know who IBM is. IBM selling out their PC business was a bad idea, in my opinion.
- italianlancer08, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8I just bought a brand new T60, and I think the laptop is incredible. I have owned a mulitude of different thinkpads throughout my life, and I think they are unmatched by most laptops. Yes, they are a bit pricey, however, you get great durability, and batteries that don't blow up in your lap!
- iSEPIC, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9There is no money to be made in the personal computer biz anymore, they are at very very low margins.. IBM is focusing on services - they sold the hard drive biz too (to Hitachi), and IBM invented the hard drive. They sold Antivirus to Symantec too (and IBM invented the Antivirus). I wonder what's next on the chopping block.
There is a reason they use Thinkpads on the space shuttle :-) - mattyice11, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7The only laptop I'd ever consider using. It just feels better than everything else.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9Lets compare the macbook pro to my X60 [same features are available in a T60]
Does it have a fingerprint reader?
Does it have a built in hardware security chip for storing passwords?
Does it have integrated EVDO?
Is it officially certified for windows with all proper drivers?
Will it last me after 3 years rigid of use? - ManWithAPlan, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8Macbooks cannot be the new thinkpad because the Macbook commercial mocks the target thinkpad costomer. When someone is shoping for a business productivist notebook to run windows on, they aren't looking for the 'cool' notebook, they are looking for the simple looking one. Sometimes it is advantageous to looking boring with tools that are utilitarian, this is often refered to as being 'professional'. That being said, I still use my 1998 thinkpad. It is a PII 400 and its battery cannot hold a charge. That being said, it still works like a charm and has the best damn keyboard in the house.
- aNoble, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5They did keep the IBM logo an the notebooks (just not the 3000s). It's right on their homepage http://www.lenovo.com/us/en/.
- Snakedal337, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Thinkpads are amazing laptops, this is a pity!
They should have held the IBM name with their logo below it for the next few years - Snowcone, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Shifting entire enterprises over to MacBooks would cause many IT headaches. New hardware to support that may or may not be fully supported by enterprise apps and users that thing this Mac is some new fangled device. I can't see it happening anytime soon.
- joerao, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5IBM Selling their PC division was a great idea. It hadn't made any money in a while, and was weighing down the company compared to other divisions like Services. Now I just wish they'd sell off Lotus...
- brundlefly76, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Gee do you think this is why IBM wanted to sell off the business to being with?
- CiXeL, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8its not the chinese thing. its the fact that as soon as i saw a commercial for an instant virus recovery button i realized they were going to be all marketing intel style.
- rysar, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4The thing to look at is that analysts predicted a loss of $11million, and they actually posted a profit, however small at $5 million. Looks like the analysts underestimated Lenovo.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4You know nothing of which you talk about. IBM no longer sells the Thinkpad line, as Lenovo has bought that division out. The true IBM is the company that endorses Linux.
- cliffzdude, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Enterprise customers have started to just leave Thinkpads off their list of possible contenders come contract renegotian time. Basically, all Lenovo products are being left off the table come contract re-up time. Not entirely, but I've personally watched our IT folks simply discount Lenovo and consider it a non-contender from the get go.
On to HP and Dell for workstations and notebooks. - aNoble, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I just got a Lenovo 3000 n100 and for the price I'm very happy with it. I've had a Dell, Toshiba, Compaq, etc. So far I'm happiest with my Lenovo (it runs Linux like a charm, except for the fingerprint reader, still working on that). It's sad to see they aren't doing well, I think they have a lot of potential.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3The OS died on you?! Then its not the fault of the computer then. Just the ***** using it!
- raw10, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I just placed an order for a T60 for a customer, but ironically enough I couldn't do it through the Lenovo website ( http://www.lenovo.com ). I ended up *gasp* _calling_ them and the salesperson said that, "IBM is still upgrading the servers, which was supposed to have been done over the weekend." I'm sure this isn't helping them meet their sales goals for the week. I personally use a ThinkPad and like it fine, but I think my next laptop will be of the Apple variety now that you can dual boot them.
- jasepower, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3My group is responsible for deployments where I work, and we are having serious issues with the new T60 docking station (port replicator). Although the new T60 is awesome, they need to get their act together with the docks. They are supposed to be re-releasing a new docking station soon to replace the defective ones.
- bloodguard, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I do a little consulting on the side and at one of my Fed contracts there was a big scramble to move an order for 500+ laptops from Lenovo because of Chinese government security concerns.
I couldn't get a feel for whether it was some low level flunky getting a case of the "Red Scare" or a new policy inflicted from above. If it's the later then I imagine that's got to be putting a big dent in their bottom line. - Elminster, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I have a T60 myself and love it as well. We've standardized the remainder of my sales force on the R and T series units. Hopefully they will get things together and make some money because I would have difficulty selecting another manufacturer. Dell & Gateway are not going to happen for me and I have not been a fan of the Toshiba retail-like units.
- EvanCarroll, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6Quick, do something radical and throw you weight behind linux. Profits will sky rocket, I swear on the OT's head.
- monticello, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I'm on a ThinkPad right now, and it is indeed awesome. It was purchased right before the Lenovo deal, and is built like a tank-- I've done my share of dropping/banging/spilling (college) and everything works just fine.
I must admit that I'm a bit wary of buying a Lenovo Thinkpad for my next notebook, and have been thinking about a Mac. They're just about equally "overpriced", with the Macs just a little pricier. - rickbauls, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3My T22 is still serving me well!
- deadbaby, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4I think it's lack of advertising. I can't remember ever seeing a Lenovo ad.
- Mrkamikaze, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6When they bought out Thinkpad they became jsut another chinese latop maker. only 89%?
- ShrimpCrackers, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2IBM/Lenovo laptops are just the most serviceable laptops, and that is why so many corporations have IT that prefer IBM/Lenovo laptops above any other brand.
Almost any IBM/Lenovo laptop can be stripped apart like a gun, parts are easily ready online through third party vendors or through IBM for replacement. I can personally strip apart and replace a IBM/Lenovo laptop motherboard, and screen in about 10 minutes or less. Harddrives, battery packs, wireless cards, ram, and DVD/Rom drives can all be replaced in seconds.
It takes about 30 minutes to put together a IBM/Lenovo laptop from just parts.
Try that with your standard non-IBM/Lenovo laptop and so on. - maybourne, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Related article:
http://www.cbnando.com/industry/2006/08/07/lenovo_reports_delightful_achievements_in_the_first_quarter.html
Depends on where you get your news. :) - voldak, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2My company uses Thinkpads. they are very sturdy, dependable laptops....except if you run them over....
- gildude, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2A T40 is an old unit made by IBM, not by Lenovo. It was made well before the sale. BTW, I have a T40, a T43 and a T60p. All of them are great. What's wrong with the T40 that makes you shudder?
- UrlorJkron, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I don't know if Lenovo's craftmaship is on par with IBM's or not, but if it is I would hate to see them go under. I own three thinkpads and they all still work perfectly fine (aside from the old batteries.) I have used Compaqs, Gateways, and Toshibas, and I would definately consider a thinkpad a superior machine. I got a new job this past year and I was very happy to see that the standard laptop were thinkpads. I'd really hate to see thinkpads go away.
- ronnsprocket, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2i dunno...i go to Clemson University, and the Lenevo is the standard issue laptop for every student (less the ones who opt out for a macbook). With 2,000+ freshman, thats a lot of lenevos. I wonder where they would be without group deals like this?
- ScienceDoc, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4We have purchased several Lenovos. They have all had serious problems, some right out of the box. Apple that can run windows is the way to go.
- Quix, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"Lets compare the macbook pro to my X60"
"Does it have a fingerprint reader?" - No
"Does it have a built in hardware security chip for storing passwords?" - No
"Does it have integrated EVDO?" - No
"Is it officially certified for windows with all proper drivers?" - No, but this probably won't have an impact for most users. Windows on the MBP should run just fine.
"Will it last me after 3 years rigid of use?" - Of course it will, unless your definition of "rigid" includes dragging it behind the bus on your way to work.
Of course, the Macbook Pro includes features not available on the X60, which you failed to point out...
No question the ThinkPad is more durable than the MBP if you tend to physically torture your computers (some do, I don't). The MBP is a sleeker, better-looking machine (to many users). Both are excellent portables - each has its own unique advantages (the most compelling advantage of the MBP is the ability to run both Windows and OS X, if one feels so inclined). - Snakedal337, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I wasn't aware of that, last I herd they were removing the IBM Branding :-)
- UrlorJkron, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I'm using a T40 right now. Never had any problems.
- kristin364, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The title is misleading. Their sales actually rose 38%, but they lost a lot of money reorganizing.
I have to use a Thinkpad at work. It's a nice laptop, but ugly as sin. And yes, I know I'm superficial. - anonydigg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1they're doing that. Suse on only one laptop though.(And speculated to be on it's way) If they did it for all laptops, then they'd see the benefits.
- rakslice, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Fnord.
- Burritovision, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1wow that is a substantial drop. this is profit? $ coming in after expenses? that's not so bad.
well, they should innovate. i recommend they begin working on linux2 and see if they can get a groovy state deal with India or Bulgaria, or another country that provides all free software.
also, guys, place this comment gallery from back to front, not front to back. i want the latest comments first. - Burritovision, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1wow that is a substantial drop. this is profit? $ coming in after expenses? that's not so bad.
well, they should innovate. i recommend they begin working on linux2 and see if they can get a groovy state deal with India or Bulgaria, or another country that provides all free software. - aznboi04k, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1thinkpad are still ridiculously expensive. ibm performed well becuase they had the rband to back it up.
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