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- AlaskaLoneWolf, on 12/22/2008, -28/+239I think it's about time that we redefine what "piracy" is...
Downloading something for fair personal use: No
Downloading something to distribute for profit: Yes - spokenkaraoke, on 12/22/2008, -3/+152Piracy is when you lose an eye and have to wear an eye patch. Then you lose your hand, and have to wear a hook. Then you lose your clothes and dress in velvet with frills. That's piracy, why on Earth would people want to stop that?
- slayerab, on 12/22/2008, -9/+109Who uses CD's anymore?
- Zippo, on 12/22/2008, -2/+97I bought a CD earlier this year...
... then promptly ripped it to iTunes and haven't used it since. - cyrusuncc, on 12/22/2008, -0/+76If i bought a CD years ago, but it got scratched. Is it fair use for me to go and download a copy so i can listen to it? What exactly did I purchase? Did I purchase the right to listen to that song? If so, then downloading it should be fine.
- Beatmiser, on 12/22/2008, -1/+60I'll be honest- since Amazon started offering their Mp3 store, I've gotten most of my music there. I've discovered that when I was 'sharing' music I would download every album in creation and listen to it maybe once.
Now I download the songs I want in about 2 seconds for $.99 or if I actually like an album pay a whopping $10- for it. All without invasive DRM which used to be my excuse for pirating.
I'm fairly happy with this model which I actually feel is pretty fair. That said, I can't even really use the 'I want to test the whole album first' excuse. Between the previews on the site/myspace music/band websites/youtube/last.fm It's pretty easy to get an idea what I will like. - Rfscooter, on 12/22/2008, -6/+63crap now i need to go to pirate bay to even them out.
- Sonan, on 12/22/2008, -1/+53CDs are great! Put a piece of tape over the hole and they slide over wooden desk surfaces like air hockey pucks! I used to collect old AOL CDs, tape the hole, and toss them back and forth across the desk with coworkers for hours at a time.
- Orlandin, on 12/22/2008, -3/+45If I let my friends listen to a song, and they buy the album or a concert ticket because of that, should I send the RIAA a bill for advertisement? The creation of a fan base is worth more than any single song or album. Trent Renzor proved that.
- inactive, on 12/22/2008, -1/+39I have bought some albums several times in cd and tape form over the years. I don't feel guilty about re obtaining them through p2p
- sugarazor, on 12/22/2008, -7/+45It's not necessarily that it's "okay," but you can't stop everyone and the few they do stop, it doesn't deter people from doing it.
This has been around since the advent of the cassette, people are going to get music for free, whether they're borrowing from a friend next door, or now, the friend across the globe. I'm not saying it's right, I'm just saying it's never going to stop and all the efforts to stop it will fail. The record industry needs to find a way to make money other than album sales; and that's a bit of poetic justice since they modeled the industry to ensure that artists make no money from album sales. - Mohdoo, on 12/22/2008, -2/+35Goes to show that one of the big reasons people pirate was convenience.
- kenedamick, on 12/22/2008, -5/+37Me and my 30 seeding torrents agree.
- DonnaChmura, on 12/22/2008, -22/+52So, it's ok to download something that is otherwise for sale, because you are using it for your personal use only and not profiting from it? Even though the artist or author's business model is to be paid for the distribution/use of each copy of the work?
- HamNCheese, on 12/22/2008, -3/+33According to congress, that is correct. Personal use does not equal copyright infringement - even according to U.S. Law.
- inactive, on 12/22/2008, -0/+29You can also make rainbows...
- cyrusuncc, on 12/22/2008, -8/+36What AAARRRR you doing? Don't you know these songs ARRRRR free?
- CrazedLeper, on 12/22/2008, -2/+27What if you walk by a car and it is playing a song that you didn't pay for, how much do you owe the artist? There are far too many potential issues to ever make a workable model for "intellectual property". The concept is inherently flawed and ought to be dropped.
If you have money to make, make it. If you don't want your stuff copied, keep it in your basement. If you want to make money off of stuff that can be copied, figure out a way to make it so that no one can copy it. If you can't do that then you get what you get and you won't get what you won't get.
Humanity means sharing; we do it without even intending to at times (ever share a cold?). That's life; just accept it. - scarwars, on 12/22/2008, -0/+23Batteries not included
- turbodigg, on 12/22/2008, -2/+23I buy them only to rip to flac and never touch them again..
- angrynorwegian, on 12/22/2008, -0/+21Probably because its legal
- FasterGun, on 12/22/2008, -0/+21Vinyl will never die.
- CrazedLeper, on 12/22/2008, -2/+22The classical definition of theft is to deprive someone the use of their own property. If a copy of data is made that does not affect the original, no one is deprived of the use of the original. No theft has taken place.
- DatDudeWiggs, on 12/22/2008, -0/+20Yeah, plus getting booty is cool
- Tryptomine, on 12/22/2008, -0/+18There's just not enough parrots for everyone.
- jeremymccurdy, on 12/22/2008, -0/+18They make great lamps when you get a stack and a cold cathode light.
http://www.tcnj.edu/~jones37/cd.html - ross., on 12/22/2008, -1/+1830? Pftt, what is it your first day?
- PumpItUp, on 12/22/2008, -2/+19Kids that want to be cool and "vintage". Even the old people I know use cds and itunes
- mebethekoko, on 12/22/2008, -1/+16How about we call hijacking a ship at sea, with the intention to steal it's cargo piracy?
Kinda like those guys do off the coast of Somalia - WarMachineWCLH, on 12/22/2008, -1/+16Consumers are like electricity, they will follow the path of least resistance. If you make it easy for us to buy the music/movies/whatever we will buy it. If you cripple it with DRM and/or charge more than we think it is worth we will pirate it. You have fancy pants marketing men you pay top dollar to figure ***** like this out, so it really shouldn't be a mystery to you that if you would just stop being dicks about it we will actually buy your stuff. I threw Trent Reznor $5 for an album that I thought was ***** because I wanted to say "Thank you for not being a dick about it."
- Yshinozuka, on 12/22/2008, -0/+13So kids are chastised for liking today's garbage and eating up crap like MTV and then they are chastised for finding a vintage lifestyle appealing? So I guess people are just going to be hypocrites, eh. I don't agree with using records to appear slightly more interesting to your peers, but I'm a kid too, have a turntable and collect vinyl, but that's because I love all aspects of music and all of it's recording mediums. I also do find the vintage thing to be pretty interesting, but I don't want to be made into a generalization and criticised for having certain interests.
- celkin, on 12/23/2008, -1/+14***** THE RIAA!!!
- rodrigo74, on 12/22/2008, -9/+2299.9% of Internet music sharing out there is not among "friends", you know that. And yes, artists don't get paid a fair share from the labels but that's still better than nil.
- HamNCheese, on 12/22/2008, -0/+12DJs use vinyl quite regularly, thanks.
- kingatrock, on 12/22/2008, -0/+12thats reality ppl, deal with it.
- HeDiggMe, on 12/22/2008, -1/+13I actually find this hard to believe, unless you count stuff like listening to pandora or imeem as legal downloads
- jeremymccurdy, on 12/22/2008, -1/+12Any money spent on DRM downloads is a waste.
- inactive, on 12/22/2008, -24/+35You keep your legal downloads, I keep my piracy. Win/Win
- inactive, on 12/22/2008, -2/+12The Zune Pass is amazing for me. I'm so happy legally paying for music with it. 15 bucks for unlimited downloads and 10 DRM free downloads. Great gateway drug to paying legally.
- raccooncoffee, on 12/22/2008, -0/+10people who like the sound because many people rip vinyl due to it having to be recorded in a certain way so that it can be put on vinyl
- jflaker, on 12/22/2008, -0/+10You are technically allowed to make a backup...just don't make that backup available for others to copy.
Years ago, it was recommended to make a copy of software used in a datacenter for safe keeping....you use the copy and store the original under lock and key because if you don't upgrade, you may not be able to get another copy if you need to restore a system and you lost/damaged the original CD. - rodrigo74, on 12/22/2008, -2/+12For your model to be really fair it has to be fair both for you and the artist. So, if the artist says they're OK with downloading (and many are), fine.
- tierneyb, on 12/22/2008, -3/+12It's hard for piracy to "grow" when everyone with a computer already does it...
- chanop, on 12/22/2008, -0/+9In NY, taxation of downloads leads to piracy
- Gizza, on 12/22/2008, -3/+12"An unknown, never-promoted artist would never get such numbers."
The Arctic Monkey's disagree. - laserdog, on 12/22/2008, -3/+12There is a discussion to be had about the amount of protection consumers should be granted under the law for their "fair use" of purchased goods.
Please, please do not conflate "fair use" with downloading of copyrighted material. They really have very little to do with one another.
For instance, it's generally accepted that if you rip scenes from your copy of Caddyshack to use in a satirical manner, that's legal.
Downloading Caddyshack illegally to use it in a satirical manner is a different matter altogether.
In short, "fair use" generally assumes you're making use of something you've already purchased. - scarwars, on 12/22/2008, -0/+8you made me scroll all the way up..
and feel satisfied - o0joshua0o, on 12/22/2008, -2/+10Making a copy of something is not the same as taking it.
Also, I intend for you to pay me for oxygen. It's part of my business model, therefore you are obliged to support it. - javaroast, on 12/22/2008, -0/+8In short, you are incorrect. There are 4 factors to be considered in fair use cases and none of them are: have you already purchased the work.
1. the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;
2. the nature of the copyrighted work;
3. the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and
4. the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work. - skipdog172, on 12/22/2008, -7/+15WHO USES RECORDS ANYMORE??
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