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- u8myfoood, on 10/12/2007, -2/+51they are AMAZINGLY SMART...
come on who else could think of raising the price of CDs to BOOST sales and decrease piracy?
//sarcasm - lowerkyle, on 10/12/2007, -2/+44They aren't trying to scare us into going legit. Rather, they are scarring us into going the corrupt, monopolized way that they control. They are scared of how a legit market would destroy their cartel.
Down with the RIAA! - dshPls, on 10/12/2007, -2/+42Anyone have a GOOD program to hide your downloading of Torrents? I mean the legal ones of course!
I get throttled in about 2 mins, every single time I download free...ebooks for starving children. - bodger, on 10/12/2007, -1/+38@el_jefe :
Sometimes a person can cite an analogy which is so relevant and insightful that it causes people to rethink their current position and even cause a complete u-turn.
This is not one of those times. - agentshags, on 10/12/2007, -2/+35***** the riaa in their greedy asses
- jersey, on 10/12/2007, -0/+31Can this ***** be over? RIAA, give up already. You're losing badly, and you're about to be owned by a 16 year old in Manhattan court.
Furthermore, release ***** thats worth buying. Music Blows. Period. You want our $, produce some content thats worth it, and we'll bite.
Oh, and quit price fixing. *****. - Sarki, on 10/12/2007, -2/+33They can't, which is why this is basically a fear-based campaign against piracy. They want to scare you into going legit, but what they are really doing is turning their own customers against them with all of this angry rhetoric and reaction.
- steven401, on 10/12/2007, -0/+26@dshpls
You mean traffic shaping, just turn encryption on in your torrent program (I use µTorrent) so you can download your, free eBooks and helpful educational documentaries. http://www.legaltorrents.com will never die! - rubberpants, on 10/12/2007, -0/+25That's a real nice infrastructure you have there. It'd be a shame if somethin' were to happen to it. Capisce?
- haggie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+231.) receive letter from ISP
2.) copy music to USB drive
3.) drop off USB drive at buddy's house
4.) install new hard drive
5.) Throw old drive in dumpster
6.) remove WEP encryption on WiFi router & broadcast SSID
7.) laugh when served with papers
8.) threaten RIAA with countersuit - chuckeroo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+18@el jefe
Your very poor comparison happens all the time, in which case people either continue to work for less money, or go find another job. This is possible because the job market is not a market run by a cartel, i.e., supply vs. demand works.
The music industry has been found guilty of collusion in court, and continues to use monopolistic tactics to squeeze money from consumers, thus breaking supply vs. demand which is essential to a functional microeconomy.
haha, lol at bodger - dairyland, on 10/12/2007, -0/+18@el_jefe
If you had a red coat and all they could identify from the video was a man in a red coat, would you still be tried for bank robbery? No money. No other evidence. Just a red coat. ??? Do you get it now?!!! - dose, on 10/12/2007, -0/+17I wonder if there's going to be a PayPal button on www.p2plawsuits.com when it goes live...
- Beaver6813, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14Well i would like www.p2plawsuits.com to hit the frontpage of Digg when its up :) The RIAA will suffer the wrath of Digg!
- LilRabbitFooFoo, on 08/11/2008, -0/+13This is called BLACKMAIL/EXTORTION in the real world. They are attempting to extort money on the fear that they will sue. Which only goes to show that they are getting beaten in court enough now that they are afraid of continuing that line of pursuit and the costs involved.
- shredswithpiks, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12the RIAA doesn't create content...
- skyfire1, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13@hammydude
It isn't funny anymore. - Beaver6813, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11@el_jefe Okay so you're getting paid to post by them, how many is that, 2 posts for the price of 1?
- robdiggity, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11el_jefe, your borderline retarded analogy would apply if you amended it to say "What if you employer CLONED you every time he needed someone to do an odd job around the office?"
You see, he'd still employ me, just a little less than before. And if he had the power to clone me whenever he wanted, then MORE POWER TO HIM. Frankly, I'd specialize my talents so that clones of me stood out from those of the rest of the pool, but that's just me. - shuffle, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10Nor is downloading a .mp3 stealing. You lose.
- meshman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9"If the recipient of a such a letter contacts the RIAA, the labels get their positive ID and the chance to extract a sizable settlement without having to resort to the legal system."
Ok then. Rule of thumb: ignore all ISP communications not having to do with billing or support.
Or just move to Canada. We won't bite. - adml_shake, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9***** retards. They send out press release 1 saying "Our lawsuits against the people who illegally download music through P2P services are having a great effect at stopping people from doing it. We really feel that the word is getting out there that this is wrong. And through our actions piracy has actually been going down."
Then a few hours later comes press release 2! "On line music piracy is costing the bands billions every year, and the problem is only getting worse. We are currently looking into new ways to protect the artists assets, and will be pursuing the people who are basically stealing from us with new determination."
I mean come the ***** on make up your god damn minds. - Beaver6813, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12@el_jefe How much did they pay you to write up that load of *****?
- Arkonnan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9I wonder if it would still be considered extortion and racketeering if the mob were to send out fancy form letters informing local businesses of "early settlement" opportunities instead of sending Bruno to pay a visit in person. ;p
- rockingrhino, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8What they want to do is avoid losing in court, which is happening more often. Their fear is someone is going to be willing to drive this all the way up the court system and stop their scheme. So if they get people to "opt-out" of their right to defend themselves and they'll still get their cash while the getting is still good.
- robdiggity, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9broomett, you ignorant slut.
I was not making an argument in an attempt to substantiate or legitimize anyone's violation of copyright law in its current form. I was pointing out how inapplicable el_jefe's analogy was. Jefe was trying to use a model to demonstrate a point. His theft-of-services model was wrong. My contention is that a duplication-of-services model is more applicable.
Reread both posts and take another stab at comprehension. I have faith in you. - jgzman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7@ El Jef:
They have a right to protect their money. however the way for them to do it is to do what successful businesses have done for ages: Give the Customer What He Wants. See also: Adapt to fit the times. Do not sue to prevent change. Shape the revolution, not suppress it.
The RIAA cannot possibly hope to survive, unless they adapt. But they just aren't doing it. - rzurad, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Internet piracy is not stealing, its copyright infringement. Both a illegal, but both are very different.
- dasaroth, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6"He has a DUTY to preserve his computer"
http://digg.com/movies/Man_erases_hard_drive,judge_said_man_had_a_duty_to_preserve_the_computer_ - offspring06, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I'm in the mood to pirate some music. Unfortunately I can't think of anything good to download.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5"If you have an questions regarding why the RIAA is interested in your account, please contact the record companies' representatives by phone at (913) 234-8181, by facsimile at (913) 234-81812, or by email at info@SettlementInformationLine.com"
I suggest we all call and fax and email and ask them whatever questions we feel like.
I just let some schmoe know how much I like eating potato chips. *crunch* *crunch* - jhaitas, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6***** THE RIAA
AND ***** EL_JEFE - Underbyte, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Just another lash out from a cornered and dying industry. Not even congress takes them seriously now. Adios, Music robber-barons.
- aliengoods, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4On a tangential note, wouldn't it be possible to set up a proxy in Canada that you could tunnel through? This seems like a no-brainer business. For $20/month, all of your web traffic goes through a country which protects your privacy. All you would have to worry about is kiddy porn.
- Beaver6813, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Okay guys n ladies, lets play a game. The person to sign the administrative contact of p2plawsuits.com up to the most dodgy newsletters wins a lollypop.
Lamy, Jonathan lkennedy@riaa.com
It'll be fun! - ArntorFTL, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4"Pay $1,000 to settle the matter before you actually get sued" ???
You have to be kidding me, this is extortion, plain and simple.
At any rate, if the RIAA comes after you, simply tell the RIAA to ***** off by saying, "oh snap, my wireless network was not secure, it could have been any number of random, nefarious bandwidth thiefs who did the downloading". The judge will laugh them out of court. - jellygraph, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3C'mon, give 'em a break. I mean, what organization doesn't deserve a common cause to unite against their customers, while at the same time, forcing them to pay for their products? It's the capitalist dream!
- rokinroj, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4You certainly can permanently delete the files off of your computer, if you know what you are doing. Not that I think thats much of a defense, but still.
- rebrad, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3So the RIAA is attempting to collude with the ISP's. Does anyone else smell prosecution under the RICO act?
- wisam, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Long story short, and I'm quoting from the article here:
"The RIAA wants to do an end run around this process, getting ISPs to start the collection agency work by sending out letters to the owners of IP addresses allegedly used for infringement. If the recipient of a such a letter contacts the RIAA, the labels get their positive ID and the chance to extract a sizable settlement without having to resort to the legal system." - haggie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@broomett
The only evidence they will have is that someone using my IP address made a particular track available for download. There is no physical evidence that I was that person. The courts have been consistently throwing cases like this out of court, some have been dismissed with prejudice.
All I'm saying is that if the RIAA wants my ISP to tip me off to the RIAA investigation, I welcome the letter. It's much better than having a sheriff show up at my doorstep to take my computer after the RIAA has gotten my name from my ISP. - adml_shake, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Yes worries, because it seems like the people that make up our legal system aren't much smarter.
- SmokeyBong, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Damn RIAA taking legal action out of court which is not right in the first place.... I
- Travelsonic, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2el_jeft, your arument fails.
Copyright infringement is based on copying copyrighted works without permission. Not whether or not you paid for it, or own it. As such you can also doewnload legally free copyrighted works further making your statement incorrect. Finally, theft and copyright infringement in themselves are different. Failing to distinguish 1) between legalities (theft, copyright infringement), and morals (stealing), and mixing the two totally different acts in an inane and impossible statement (stealing a copy for example, not quoting you) weakens your factual position considerably, IMO. - gahzinia, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@el_jefe
"No matter how you spin it, breaking the law doesn't force people to change the laws, it only justifies stiffer punishment to attempt to deter the law breakers."
I am not a historian, but why was prohibition repealed? It certainly wasn't because people quit drinking.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repeal_of_prohibition
"Prohibitionists argued that Prohibition would be more effective if enforcement were increased. However, increased efforts to enforce Prohibition simply resulted in the government spending more money, rather than less. Journalist H.L. Mencken observed in 1925 that respect for law diminished, rather than increased, during Prohibition, and drunkenness, crime, insanity and resentment towards the federal government had all increased.
During this period, support for Prohibition diminished among voters and politicians. John D. Rockefeller Jr., a lifelong nondrinker who had contributed much money to the Prohibitionist Anti-Saloon League, eventually announced his support for repeal because of the widespread problems he believed Prohibition had caused. Influential leaders, such as the du Pont brothers, lead the Association Against the Prohibition Amendment, whose name clearly asserted its intentions."
So what you said is clearly wrong. - pglowiak, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2The judge will laugh them out of court anyway. They know they are finished, they are looking for the lifeboat off the Titanic. In their case, though, it wasn't an iceberg, it was a self-made hole in the boat.
Wonder how long it is before the labels realize that being an RIAA member is not worth it anymore...... - haggie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2After receiving that letter, why wouldn't I just install a new drive in my computer and leave that USB drive with my 10K+ songs at my buddies house?
Who me? Download music? Never! - aristoworks, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@Underbyte
Not sure where you're living... The music industry is anything BUT dying. It's drastically changing but not dying be any measure. Yea RIAA is freaking out, Yea MTV is laying off masses of employees. I see new labels pop up every single day with promising new talent in tow. We've got an excellent medium to share, purchase, give away and create music called the Internet. In the old days it took a long time for Radio and Television to get up to speed. The Internet has come on like a freight train with nearly everyone in the country having access to one (most 24/7). People will always need music and music will always need People. It's a mutual relationship which won't be going anywhere until we're all deaf. - RevMark, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Why has there been no RICO charges files against the RIAA? this is purely a shack down. A mafia style scam.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3die MTV, ***** die
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