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- mxcl, on 11/10/2007, -1/+65Yeah, it's not really great. We aren't thrilled with it. But we wanted it out there so we could start getting good data and thus offer everyone great services. I'd like to really polish it over the next few weeks, if I have time. I have other priorities, ie. the new client release. But we'll see. This software in particular is kinda temporary. The new client will fingerprint too you see.
- MenthiX, on 11/10/2007, -1/+51Awesome. Proper audio tagging for lazy people, my dream is coming true :)
- fernando26, on 11/10/2007, -10/+49Uhh you guys do know that MusicBrainz has been doing this for years?
http://musicbrainz.org/ - Disillusion, on 11/10/2007, -1/+39Properly direct your hate, it would be the RIAA.
Remember RI is Recording Industry (music) and MP is Motion Picture (movies, tv). - mxcl, on 11/05/2007, -4/+36We support every platform except the GameBoy. And that's because we just don't like Gameboys.
- mxcl, on 10/10/2007, -4/+36Like honestly, we hardly even know CBS exist here in the London office. About the only evidence that they are a part of the company at all is the CBS logo on my paycheck. We've been planning the Fingerprinting for years before CBS bought us.
- goosnargh, on 11/10/2007, -3/+34I have some illegally downloaded music. Just thought you'd want to know.
- toekneebullard, on 10/10/2007, -0/+29You must not be familiar with the RIAA. They think all mp3s are pirated.
- muesli, on 10/10/2007, -2/+28@mxcl: actually, i'm quite thrilled. maybe the gui isn't great, but that's not what it's about ;-)
- mxcl, on 11/05/2007, -1/+26Eventually we will offer to tag your files though. When we have the datas.
- Protoss, on 10/10/2007, -1/+21Well I'll just leave this running all day, glad to do anything to benefit Last.fm. That site's helped me discover some sweet bands.
- Russss, on 11/10/2007, -1/+21The RIAA would have to subpoena us to get our data, we're not volunteering it to anyone (CBS is not a member of the RIAA). And even if they did manage to do that, all they'd know is what user has which tracks in their collection, which is exactly the same as what scrobbling does. We don't know if you illegally downloaded music, nor do we want to know.
- TheRealStyro, on 10/10/2007, -8/+28While it sounds noble and all to help fix and patch the metadata for scrobbling tracks, I cannot help think that since Last.FM is now owned by CBS there is more to this fingerprinting than meets the eye. There is the fact the the software only fingerprints non-DRM'd music, and since selling non-DRM's music is still in its infancy, LastFM/CBS gets a list and fingerprint data on music you have ripped or downloaded.
Although I like LastFM, I'll take a pass on this software, at least until I read/discess the eula with a lawyer. - VenTatsu, on 11/05/2007, -0/+12Let me get this right, Last.fm was fine when they just wanted to track every song you listen to, but they are bad now that they want to help you organize those songs so they don't have 15 different spellings of Pink Floyd's The Wall in their database?
I think perhaps your priorities are backwards. - inactive, on 10/10/2007, -1/+13I used the MusicBrainz picard tagger to do my entire mp3 collection. Seems kind of redundant for LastFM to do another system.
Would have been nice if they had joined together instead. - lowerlogic, on 11/10/2007, -0/+12I love last.fm and I think they if they had a few more services, they could make it the killer one-stop music site on the net.
1) Lyrics - somehow make a lyrics database from other lyrics sites and/or allow users to post/edit lyrics and have the lyrics show up when a song is being scrobbled or when you click on the details of a song.
2) Graphs and data mining. Last.fm could be doing more with their data. Show music patterns. I'd love to see how my preferences have changed over time. How did I go from liking classic rock to future pop? How many other people start out liking genre X and end up liking genre Y, what genres in between did they like for a while when they were going from X to Y? Do I like different amount/styles of music during different times of the day. Last.fm could be a lot more interesting if they did more data analysis.
3) It would also be nice to see something that allowed users to vote on merging artists or tags that are the same except for minor spelling or punctuation differences, ie. "dark wave" and "darkwave", "electronic" and "electronica", etc.
4) Become a portal for the music online - link to emusic so you can easily get the song you're reading the lyrics to, and lyrics to songmeanings to see if anyone has written anything interesting about the song on there. Have a field to like to the artist's official website and/or myspace page. Have a song's information page link to a youtube (or another video site) video of the song if a music video of the song exists on it. Link to the Wikipedia entry on the artist if one exists. The possibilities are endless.
5) Use this new audio fingerprinting to show which other songs are most like the one you're listening to right now. - MrSunshine, on 10/10/2007, -2/+14Your dream has been fulfilled since Musicbrainz Tagger.
- jackmaninov, on 10/10/2007, -0/+12It hides just fine with cmd-h.
I kinda wish it were multithreaded. I'm watching my second core go to waste. - kcap122, on 10/10/2007, -1/+12..but then again, what doesn't experience "issues" on vista?
- Ostermayer, on 10/10/2007, -1/+12@mxcl Oh yeah don't get me wrong this is going to be fantastic for last.fm !
- radial, on 11/05/2007, -2/+13Dugg because there's official people from last.fm here commenting! thanks!
- mxcl, on 11/05/2007, -2/+13This was our idea, not CBS's. I doubt they even know what we're doing. They prolly think we're dusting down all the mp3s and cataloging the unique patterns left by people's finger grease.
- mxcl, on 10/10/2007, -1/+12To be honest, even really good taggers can benefit from those few super-music-geeks who really know a particular band and tag it exactly right. Perhaps the release date is generally wrong due to a mis-print on the CD. Or a typo on the album cover has becoem the norm, but it's wrong. There's plenty of other examples I can't think about right now that will make our system super.
Of course perhaps the typo should be considered correct, which is why the correct tags will have user moderation so we can all decide. - MenthiX, on 11/10/2007, -1/+11Why, it doesn't do much more than Last.fm already did for years: Showing which files you play. They can very well all be original CDs or legally paid MP3s.
- Quip666, on 10/10/2007, -3/+13WTF?
- WildTang3nt, on 10/10/2007, -1/+11I'm amazed at how many retards didn't RTFA. You're not getting what this does *at all*. All it's doing is reading your tags and "fingerprinting" the file so that last.fm can see files with the same fingerprint that have different tags and group them together so there's less duplication.
- TheRealStyro, on 10/10/2007, -3/+13So, if the RIAA came along and through CBS wanted your user and fingerprint database, would you comply (and hopefully notify your users/subscribers) or tell CBS/RIAA to go take a flying leap...?
- mxcl, on 10/10/2007, -1/+11Fear not, this is planned. Prolly by using quicktime so we don't have to licence anything.
- MenthiX, on 10/10/2007, -0/+10The point is: If they assume all your music is pirated they could have sent that search order ages ago by just viewing your Last.fm profile.
And yes, i'm familiar with the RIAA, but i live in a cool country, so not worried. - Seph7, on 11/10/2007, -0/+10Ashame it doesn't support any other containers/codecs at the moment, my whole collection is AAC so its kinda useless to me.
- DomZy, on 10/10/2007, -0/+9And theres a linux version :D I'll have to give this a try when I get home
- Protoss, on 10/10/2007, -1/+10I don't think this properly tags YOUR files, just helps build a database of different tags for the same song for Last.fm to sift thru.
- mxcl, on 10/10/2007, -1/+10I thought I'd deleted that. I think it's possibly a caching issue with our CDN.
- LANjackal, on 10/10/2007, -1/+10Actually I'm running it on Windows Vista Home Premium, scanning an external Firewire HDD with no issues whatsoever :) :
http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/8513/fingerprinterum6.jpg - chinesechef, on 10/10/2007, -1/+9Sounds great hope it will be able to merge the artist that appears under two names. Like artists spelled with chinese characters and normal roman characters.
- mozillamonks, on 11/10/2007, -15/+22I can see a search order from the MPAA now....
Robin - Ostermayer, on 10/10/2007, -3/+10the software seems to be very much in alpha/beta and can't be minimized when running on the mac as well as experiences "issues" on vista.
- mxcl, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7The system is such that the same song, no matter how it was encoded gets the same fingerprint. Give the track to your friend or your friend downloads it from iTunes, same fingerprint, no paper-trail.
Different version do have different fingerprints, but that means ie. elongated versions, or acoustic versions. - zombiedepot, on 10/10/2007, -4/+10If people would name their tracks right then we wouldn't need data mining.
- muesli, on 11/10/2007, -1/+7as a final note for everyone fearing last.fm, cbs, and the riaa: the entire fingerprinting machanism and application is open source. go grab the source, see yourself what we do at last.fm and more important what data we send to our servers. feel free to use and study it yourself, too.
- mxcl, on 11/05/2007, -3/+8zero, the fingerprints are stored on our servers.
- cruzlee, on 11/05/2007, -1/+6Buried your comment as paranoid communist propaganda.
- jackyyll, on 10/10/2007, -2/+7Except the audio finger printing sucks on it
- jgrossma, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5"If you are that scared you could more to Canada, our laws are yet to be tainted by corporate interests."
There not? Don't you have to pay a copyright tax on all blank CDs, DVDs, etc? - PugFish, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5I remember reading years ago that Audioscrobbler wanted to add MusicBrainz integration, I guess it just didn't work for them.
The first (and last) time I used MB it deleted a load of my songs, so I didn't dare try it again. - MenthiX, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5No, old and irrelevant news.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -9/+13Some people had a huge collection before last.fm popped up and had no real need to sort them all out, also have enough of a life that they can't spend the day sorting them all out. So shut the ***** up.
- xrenjrvt, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4I'm sure there are better ways to find out what your music collection looks like. I wouldn't be surprised in the least if windows media player reports this information already. If you are that scared you could more to Canada, our laws are yet to be tainted by corporate interests.
- amdahlj, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Sealand?
- geoken, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4It isn't your local music industry that recently blocked Pandora.
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