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- mithrasinvictus, on 05/28/2009, -1/+161Plus: Ripped DVD's don't have the annoying unskippable ads (like the anti-copying ads)
I paid for it, so i get to decide how i watch it. - jezsik, on 05/28/2009, -1/+86When you make it harder for people to enjoy your content, they're going to seek alternatives. Digital Restriction Management, indeed.
- Dipsomaniac, on 05/28/2009, -1/+72DRM kills reasonable use. We've recently turned all of our (legally purchased) DVDs into digital format, so we can stream them across the network through our Mvix box.
Technically, that's a violation. Technicalities are stupid. It's not illegal here in Canada (yet), but the industry wants it to be. - Chirp08, on 05/28/2009, -0/+69Can you imagine if everytime you put your key in the ignition you had ot listen to a 30 second message about how you must obey the speed limit, yield to pedestrians, stop at red lights and stop sign, signal when turning, etc.
That's how retarded the copyright ads are. - inactive, on 05/28/2009, -1/+58You know, as much as I'm all for protecting your intellectual property, DRM just makes it really hard to even care. Why should paying customers have to be punished when they bought the crap in the first place? And DRM does not stop pirates. Why they haven't figured that out yet is beyond me.
- SirSid, on 05/28/2009, -2/+54No surprises here. No chance those right holders will even bother to glance at this study though
- macfan93, on 05/28/2009, -1/+47DRM only punishes the honest user.
By the way, everyone should read "Content" by cory doctorow for more info on DRM - Chirp08, on 05/28/2009, -0/+39Well last week I had to clear off some space on my filled hard drive. Everything buy legally on Apple TV gets transfered to the itunes library you have linked to it. Well my hard drive was full so naturally deleting the 4gb movie files was the first to go when I had projects I needed space for. Turns out that Apple TV decides to use your laptop, instead of its internal hard drive for its sole means of storage. My videos are gone. I paid for them legally, did nothing wrong but ran out of disk space, deleted the files from my laptop, not the Apple TV and yet they are ***** gone. Oh yeah, minor detail, you can't re-download your purchased movies.
So last week I told everyone not to buy anything on the Apple TV again and will now be torrenting everything I was willing to pay money for. The Apple TV was a gift, I would not recommend it to anyone now that I know this about it. - evisr8r, on 05/28/2009, -1/+36Probably because you spelled Def Leppard wrong.
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw?url=search-al ... - CowGoesMooo, on 05/28/2009, -0/+35Those things are pretty much completely pointless anyway, because if you're watching a pirated copy then you're not going to see them anyway. Don't they realise that most of the people being targeted by those don't actually see them much? All they do is piss off legitimate consumers.
And then there's the whole thing about trying to make out that pirates and car theives are the same sort of people. - Falldog, on 05/28/2009, -1/+30I see far too many people on the road who need that though.
- HonoredMule, on 05/28/2009, -0/+27I'll be more likely to speed and drive recklessly after having 30 seconds wasted on an asinine lecture.
- zip000, on 05/28/2009, -0/+27My own recent irritating DRM moment:
I bought a new graphics card which came with COD4. I thought I'd give it a go, installed it, and then when I went to play the game, it told me to insert the DVD. The DVD was in the drive. I eject. Put it back in. Nothing. Reboot. Nothing. Whatever I try it keeps telling me to insert the DVD. I go online to see what the answer to this problem is...I try 3 or 4 possible things, nothing. It keeps telling me to insert the DVD.
So the primary thing that I see online as a solution to this problem is to download a pirated copy...I resisted that for awhile, but eventually I did that...and surprise the game works great.
If your DRM is so restrictive and ***** up that legitimate purchasers cannot use your product and have to resort to piracy to make it work, you've got a major problem. - rreadysetno, on 05/28/2009, -2/+25I didn't realise sight impaired people were less likely to pirate?
- buzznjackal, on 05/28/2009, -0/+22For me it started back in 2002 with my store bought copy of Operation Flashpoint Gold edition.
Took it home tried to install and play and it would not work. After spending three days scouring forums and communicating with technical support it turns out the DRM would not recognize my CD-Rom drive. Returned it to the store in frustration and when I got home and posted as such on some forum I got a pm from a friend with a link to download the game and a NOCD crack. Within just a few hours I had the game up and running beautifully.
I still buy games but I make sure they do not contain DRM or buy them from Steam where I've never had a problem like this. - vsaint, on 05/28/2009, -1/+23Somalia must have some serious ***** copy protection.
- inactive, on 05/28/2009, -1/+20Yeah I mean really, we all know that copying is supposed to be a no-no. Put the fine print on the dvd case or something. Those stupid ads aren't preventing anybody from doing what they want.
- Barbarino, on 05/28/2009, -2/+20I was buying tracks from itunes, never heard of bit torrent, so I wanted to buy Def Leopard for the gym and couldn't. Not on amazon, not on itunes, only could buy a cd. So I asked a friend of mine about that "torrent" thing. He showed me and the rest was history..
- inactive, on 05/28/2009, -2/+19Whenever you tell someone not to do something, you increase their chances of doing it.
- scooterbaga, on 05/28/2009, -0/+17That's essentially the ONLY effect of DRM or warnings. It doesn't stop piracy, it just mucks it up for legitimate consumers.
- puck, on 05/28/2009, -1/+15I agree. The motivation to look into how to 'pirate' things was due to being screwed by various forms of DRM. The boardroom types just don't get it.
- EntropyFan, on 05/28/2009, -0/+12That can depend. DRM on things like the Zune Subscription service are reasonable and do not punish anyone.
You don't own the music, so restrictions on its use are understandable.
On stuff you purchase, you are correct. - blacklilyninja, on 05/28/2009, -0/+9piracy informs the consumer and keeps the industry from from forcing garbage we don't want to hear or see down our throats. When i was younger it was like borrowing a tape/record/cd. What the industry wants is to monetized every aspect of the consumer's experience with the product. Soon, we will be charged for humming a melody. We pay service fees to use products we pay for up front to supposedly support and maintain infrastructures but what the dwindling economy does show us is how the consumer dollar was extorted then lost in careless ways. Or how service providers like cell carriers charge ridiculously expensive fees for technology that is so profitable they couldn't lose money ever again. Regulating bandwidth and texting in such a restrictive way all they can do is laugh their way to the bank.
stop consuming - u16085, on 05/28/2009, -0/+9Pirate - ***** DRM - I DECIDED to try the zune marketplace to purchase a rare album (rare is in "public taste")
out of 14 tracks only 9 downloaded, spitting out some weird error, checking with MS, they suggested I check my time and date? really? What about the 9 tracks that finished? (They were unable to determine the problem) Long story short, they took my money, I got an incomplete "cd" What is one to do? ARRRRR to get the rest... so ***** you m$ ***** you DRM, and of course Screw the **AA's - nepidae, on 05/28/2009, -0/+9The problem with DRM is that even if you want to go legit pirating still gives a superior product. Not a very good business model imo.
- Travelsonic, on 05/28/2009, -2/+10DRM... DOESN'T... WORK!
When will these media companies understand that? The true pirates always have the ability to circumvent DRM, and make it easy for the rest of the world to do, and no restricting of media use - especially that which cuts into fair use exceptions - will change that. - PhoenixAvatar2, on 05/28/2009, -1/+9Not everyone knows about every random deal.
- simontemplr, on 05/28/2009, -0/+6that makes it too hard
Go to your local library where they tell you how to rip the CD, or movie, take it back and rent another. RIAA, and supporters of DRM, what are you going to do sue them next? - inactive, on 05/28/2009, -1/+7Arr.
- Chirp08, on 05/28/2009, -0/+6It was a gift from a close family friend :/
- inactive, on 05/28/2009, -0/+6On another issue. This is why I don't pay for stuff that uses iLok. I have several bits of "stuff" that uses the iLOk system and I am not putting 8 USB sticks on this PC only to have one, or four of them hate each other and reboot my PC for my protection.
I already had to discover this the hard way, after a while I came to realise its easier to pirate ***** than re register iloks one after the other and also constantly have to clean eraze and reformat the HDD.
Cubase, East West. Go to hell! Not buying your *****! Got FL studio and some "stuff" instead and now I can take it camping and wherever the hell I like. It sucks when a Client is watching your 10,000 dollar studio crash like a sack of *****. - ceberon, on 05/29/2009, -0/+5At least for songs when you do that through Apple, you can email them and ask them to allow a re-download. You may be able to do that for the movies as well.
This though is the reason I use Amazon's streaming instead of Apples, since Amazon keeps track of your purchases :) - Chirp08, on 05/28/2009, -2/+7No chance "piracy" is going to decrease in the future either.
- WickedAngelR6, on 05/28/2009, -0/+5The problem that media distributors fail to realize is that a certain amount of piracy will always exist and it IS NOT always equal to a lost sale. They're always guilty of the assumption that a person who pirates a piece of media would have purchased it if the piracy option wasn't available and that simply isn't true.
The only people they're hurting with DRM are legitimate consumers who wouldn't have pirated in the first place. Take the gaming industry for instance; on my games, you have a limited number of installation tokens. Once you're out, you're out and you have to hope that the company will be gracious enough to permit you to have more. That's frustrating enough when the installation works at all; it's not uncommon for those systems (Or serial key systems) to have errors that don't allow users to install their legitimate software.
Pirates don't have these issues. Remember the Half-Life 2 launch? Pirates were playing the game while we were waiting in line for Valve to get their act together and account for the server load. - captaintrips121, on 05/28/2009, -2/+6I am legally blind, my central vision is bad, but usable, but I do need to use screen magnification. When trying to watch a movie on my computer, the dvd does not work well at all, with the screen magnifier. It does use up a bit of ram, but for the most part, the 4 gigs works ok until i use something with drm. I do not pirate any music, or anything else, knowing full well just how easy it is to do. I have however, started investigating ripping the content from dvd's to see if this fixes the issues I have. My problem is, not knowing which of any freeware is legitimate, and what is going to mess the computer up. As well, there are select movie theaters which have descriptive movies ( you get headphones, which play a description of the movie, when no talking is going on), but all of the drm and "protective" laws have prevented any new releases on dvd from being descriptive, even though they release the version to the theater. It really is a shame that the national federation of the blind, here in Americorporation, or other equals throughout the world, have not lobbied enough to force the rights of end users to be met. I worked at a plant that made dvd's, before I lost my vision, and know for a fact the process of making a dvd is not so complicated that they can not meet the end user needs. there is a master disc which holds the digital information, which is used to mold the dvd's. They waste time and money making special feature discs, which could simply be put on the back side of the dvd. The anti piracy laws are so protected in this plant, a woman was sent to jail for stealing a mini barbie key chain, which was less than 1/4 inch in size. When the police showed up, I asked them to go check out the 500 illegal mexicans on the production line... they took the woman, never actually going inside... As a legally blind man, I do not expect any special rights, but I do not accept the rights iIdo have, to be taken away so Murdoch can make a few more dollars with law suits. In any case, I do hope Real wins their dvdripper lawsuit, which will signal an end to this mess.
- strictnein, on 05/28/2009, -0/+4UK's Royal National Institute of Blind People, Head of Accessibility Richard Orme:
"The RNIB is very watchful of the issues around DRM" - trdrstv, on 05/28/2009, -0/+4Honestly... I went legit a few years ago. I don't download music or movies, or games... etc... that I don't own despite it being painfully easy to do so. It actually ended up saving me money in hard drives and blank dvd's. Basically I didn't have time for the stuff I bought, so I stopped hording discs full of content I'd never get to.
I DO however end up getting cracks and tools just to keep "fair use" of things I purchased.
Like downloading "No-CD cracks" so I can play games on my eeepc when I'm away from home (and my external DVD drive) or ripping DVDs (that I own) so all the "nonskippable ads" are gone.
Also anyone with a toddler will tell you that DVD backups (and keeping the originals inaccessable to the child) are a great idea. - HonoredMule, on 05/28/2009, -0/+4Actually, the DO get it. They've never been actually targeting piracy. They're after typical/fair use, because once they've stolen that, they can sell it back to all the suckers who will not have turned carte blanche to piracy (which, let's face it, will probably always be a majority, even if a small one). Every use case/right they disable is one they can sell back at an *additional* profit...sometimes repeatedly or at ongoing rates.
Nothing screams "profiteering" like selling to a wider audience copies of a cheaper and virtually free-to-distribute digital product at a higher price than the analog or basic equivalent. Yet wherever DRM is involved, that's exactly what is happening:
- ebooks costing more than dead tree books despite being available to the entire population (within a given language)
- 30 second ringtones costing twice as much as the whole song
- low-quality video downloads for prices that exceed all but the latest blockbuster DVD releases (and no equivalent to 'bargain bin' prices)
- and additional examples, no doubt.
Sure, the by-product of all this IS piracy, but lobbyists can hopefully get that problem solved on someone else's tab (law enforcement -> the government -> taxpayers -> pirates and non-pirates alike). - Myztry, on 05/28/2009, -0/+3Not quite the same as getting a pixel perfect capture with extremely negligible noise.
- Myztry, on 05/28/2009, -0/+3The declarations (such as it being illegal to rent movies) don't apply.
Every movie I rent has that on, and in it... - Myztry, on 05/28/2009, -0/+3It's not absolutely necessary to circumvent the encryption. Even if the media is secured, the player is secured, and the display decoding is secured - there's always the physical LCD hardware driver. Eventually the signal has to be decoded to render pixels.
Instead of plugging in a replacement LCD panel via a ribbon cable, all that is needed is something which stores the LCD panel input to take it's place. And it is certainly legal to replace/substitute parts as you see fit.
Something akin to a traditional 'flicker fixer' but inputting raw panel signal and outputting a digital stream. I hereby license this idea to the public domain. - REV0R, on 05/29/2009, -0/+3Not to mention saving space or being able to stream from a hard drive to your various devices. The industry is still bumbling around in a Wright brothers plane while everyone else is taking off in their respective F-22 Raptors.
- cannonball, on 05/29/2009, -0/+3I never thought about it like that, but you're absolutely right. Its like fighting against "terrorists". We don't really stop terrorism; we just profit on the act of stopping terrorism.
- haydenk, on 05/29/2009, -1/+4LOL@ the irony in ripping a DVD to watch it without the ad telling you piracy is wrong.
- notruth, on 05/29/2009, -0/+3Again, DRM isn't to stop piracy, it's a way of further profitting from "legitimate" paying customers.
- juankovo, on 05/28/2009, -1/+4Here's a great book that will probably change your mind about intellectual property:
Against Intellectual Monopoly:
http://www.dklevine.com/general/intellectual/again ...
The electronic version is made available free by the authors. - d3m0n1z3d, on 05/29/2009, -1/+3You Wouldn't Download a Car.
- inactive, on 05/29/2009, -0/+2You guys brought up a good point. They all say it's to stop the evil pirates ruining their profits. But in reality they really are just using it as an excuse to profit even more.
- greevar, on 05/29/2009, -0/+2They do it to force you to buy every copy you possess in every format you wish to use it on.
- Chrysalii, on 05/29/2009, -0/+2You mean not everyone knows about ebay?
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