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- ajb2015, on 10/12/2007, -8/+90i'll stick with my torrents
- sunchild, on 10/12/2007, -10/+90"I've had some crazy songs sent my way while chilling on a bus."
Apparently, 'the social' rides the bus. - zweben, on 10/12/2007, -0/+66The RIAA should just go ahead and try to ban music completely. They've done everything else.
How will they make money, you ask? Suing you for whistling, of course. - kaelyiesta, on 10/12/2007, -12/+65The issue that concerns me is that there is no way to know just what you are getting when you purchase something from the zune marketplace. There is no way to tell what rights it has in regards to send restrictions. At least let me know what I'm buying...
On the other hand, sending pictures and clear music has been a blast. I've had some crazy songs sent my way while chilling on a bus. - TimmyGUNZ, on 10/12/2007, -1/+44"Umm, like almost every large business, MicroSoft hires outside agencies to do their marketing. They dont do it in house."
What are you talking about? Just about every large company has their own marketing team.
You must be confusing "marketing" with "advertising." - totorototoro, on 10/12/2007, -7/+49"Besides, it's not the Zune that says you can't share those tracks. "
Uh, yes it is. Did you see that error screen? That's a Zune, telling you you can't share those tracks.
Microsoft made the deal with record companies. Microsoft put sharing into the Zune. Microsoft promoted the wif-fi sharing feature of the Zune.
Trying to absolve them of responsibility for this is just stupid. - gotamd, on 10/12/2007, -1/+32I somewhat agree with you, but this was one of the biggest drawing points of the Zune...the ability to "squirt" music to another Zune (provided you could find one). This is pretty ridiculous. The 3 days or 3 plays restriction is pretty heavy as it is. Why wouldn't they be okay with that? It doesn't make much sense. It's essentially like targeted radio. Chances are that if you got a song from a friend, you're more likely to like the song and go out and buy it after you've played it 3 times. This is even against the interests of the labels. It just doesn't make sense.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+30It is illegal for you to hear it. Only the licensee is allowed to. See you both in jail.
/sarc - lewsmind, on 10/12/2007, -2/+30This is piling DRM on top of DRM. First you could only listen to the shared songs for 3 days or 3 plays, and now some songs won't even "share" It is beyond belief!
@gronne I would find it more annoying to have the expectation of sharing and then find that I cannot, rather than know from the beginning that I could not share at all and had to share my music with a friend some other way. - TimmyGUNZ, on 10/12/2007, -1/+29You need porn that bad that you need to take it "on the go?"
Wow. - IgnatzMouse, on 10/12/2007, -0/+25Well, there goes "The Social"...
- milarepa, on 10/12/2007, -1/+23blame metallica
- FearlessFreep, on 10/12/2007, -1/+19Apple did not build their marketing of the iPod around the 'social features' such as sharing songs. MS's whole catch-phrase was 'welcome to the social' which seems to be...umm...very lonely now
- piper999, on 10/12/2007, -0/+18@ender
Not really. What the record companies are doing here is the equivalent of banning radio stations from playing songs by their artists.
Its like saying "We don't want people listening to our music under any circumstances" and is one of the biggest and dumbest "***** in your own nest" idiot ***** the music labels have come out with for quite some time. - monkeyrun, on 10/12/2007, -5/+22features on a Microsoft product's intentionally crippled? ... omg this is so new.
- TimmyGUNZ, on 10/12/2007, -2/+19Living in NYC and taking the subway to and work every day, 5 days a week, including the weekends when I'm out and about, I have yet to see one person using a Zune in the wild. My point: not being able to share tracks is a moot point when there's nobody to share with anyway.
- Shiftgood, on 10/12/2007, -3/+19Doesnt Microsoft have to sell at least 2 of these things first for this problem to occour? Or is this just "in case" that happens.
- shmatt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13geekee, you're FUDding again. You can share iTunes music, you just can't 'squirt' it. You can authorize up to 5 computers to play your track, you just have to give them a password.
Either way, the issue here is the fact that MS promised this cool 'social' feature, which was by far zune's best, and guess what, it's hobbled and basically useless. Apple never promised anything like social music sharing. - CrappedCrusader, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13Don't they know that nobody is listening to the radio any more cause its full of the record company refuse they call music? They should take whatever spreading of music they can get, and M$ even helped them out by crippling the player so it can't be played more than 3 times. Oh well, they'll never learn
- plnegative1, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12I've got an idea. Don't buy music through online stores. Download it via torrents or buy protection free CDs.
- mntpng, on 10/12/2007, -5/+14The most common response by pro-Zune comments here is that iPod doesn't even have a wifi based music sharing (also known as "squirting" eww...) feature and therefore Zune is still better than iPod. I disagree with this since I believe that consistent user experience is important for a product. Actually this is worse than not having this feature because now people who bought Zune thinking they can take advantage of this specific feature is even more confused when they can't get this feature to work. This results in frustrated users and calls to tech support. I think this may even become a class action lawsuit because this is somewhat of a bait and switch. Didn't Microsoft get a definitive agreement from record labels when they cut the deal to do Zune marketplace with music sharing feature in the first place? I simply don't buy the argument that people who bought Zune and music from Zune marketplace isn't going to hold Microsoft responsible for this downgrading of Zune feature. What a mess!
- tyho, on 10/12/2007, -7/+16You mean someone actually bought one of these DRM infested pieces of junk?
- zip22, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9wrong on both accounts, geekee. the screen is not double the size and the zune is larger than the ipod.
- Refrag, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Microsoft shouldn't have implemented this feature at all if they were going to do it in such a lame way. Microsoft gave the labels the power to restrict content from "squirting."
- FearlessFreep, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8 Not enough plantiffs for a class-action....
- winnch, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11I think the point is that Microsoft's most heavily advertised feature of the Zune isn't necessarily included after all.
Of course this isn't Microsoft's fault, nor would it be Apple's for the iPod. It's the record labels that control the rights, not Apple or MS. Since Apple just wants to sell iPods, and since DRM seems to stifle (to an extent that I think is actually overblown) downloads, Apple WANTS more freedom. - fleetskeet, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Seek professional help.
- monkeyrun, on 10/12/2007, -8/+15Looks like This DRM over DRM "feature" is built into Zune by Microsoft, before Record Labels could actually use it.
Guess what I believe Microsoft actually suggested this "feature" to the labels as well.
hmmm .. sounds like Microsoft's the assmonkey here. - zip22, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10you don't need to buy an apple tv, you can plug in your ipod to the tv. it can output in 640x480 (your zune can only output 320x240)
- AshWii, on 10/12/2007, -7/+14I've had 3 iPods, the last being an 80gb iPod. I got that iPod in September and decided to purchase a Zune this month. After using the Zune for a week...I decided to sell my iPod on eBay. I don't worry about it scratching and I love the large screen. So far, the eBay auction is up to $275..enough to pay for my new Zune plus a little extra (hopefully). I think it just depends on which player works best for you. In my case, it's the Zune.
- MaynardJK, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7I've never heard a turd make a sound so I have to ask: What have you been eating?
- mulling, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Can you squirt your mobile porn?
rofl
"Welcome to the social (disease)" - OBKenobi, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9Sorry about that previous comment. "How can we will." I don't know what came over me. I must go meditate upon what just transpired here.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -6/+12Guess this is just the proof that many were unable/unwilling to see that it wasn't MS that imposed the dreadful 3-play thing themselves, it was forced upon them by the music industry, and probably accepted by MS because the music industry wouldn't have let MS sell their songs otherwise (since they got burned by Apple's itms).
- skellener, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7"Hey, remember back in the 2000s when music companies used to use DRM because they thought it stopped piracy?"
"Oh yeah...music companies...I remember those! I remember how futile that was. Pretty ridiculous now when you look back on it all. I'm so glad the artists simply sell their own music these days DRM free online. I just download it to my open source DRM free terabyte iPod"
Sorry, I thought it was 2010. ;) - shmatt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5dude. moron, whatever you are. Go back to your IRC channel or whatever, OK?
digg is not a place for that retarded *****. - bobothn, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7http://www.allofmp3.com/ any one?
- EnjoyTheFact, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7Jeeze, next the labels are going to tell us we can't download them either!
- giveer, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Well, let's be honest - since this is regarding sharing between Zunes, that'd mean you'd need at least TWO people with a Zune - in the same room - at the same time....
....And that's, well.... that's just silly. - Petronski, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5If your feces makes sounds, you should probably be more thorough when chewing those Rice Crispies.
- MacGeekGuy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Snap, crackle, plop?
The Zune isn't that bad, they could've tried a lot harder and hit the ground running but I've no doubt that in time it will come into its own. There's room for a lot of players in the market, one company shouldn't have a complete monopoly on anything... when they do, we all lose. :) - zbeast, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5The only reason for buying the zune is that it let the stupid share songs with there friends if only for a short time.
Now it turns out not even that is possible with 50% of the music you have purchased!
That's called false advertising. It's called fraud! I smell a class action lawsuit.
Or did I miss some where down in the corner in small unreadable mouse type on all the ad's and hands outs for the product.
*the sharing feature is limited to only some songs. - radiofrequency, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6These draconian restrictions affecting 40-50% of all artists' tracks are just another indication of how much of a gimmick the "squirting" feature is. Shouldn't the Zune be sold with a warning label if a feature is likely to work only about half the time?
- colincornaby, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4"Are you retarded? Try playing an encrypted iTMS song on a computer not authorized to play it and see what happens."
How can I authorize 5 other Zunes to permanently play my music after I squirt it to them? - shmatt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4geekee, you're the one telling lies about the zune being better.. so I think you're the real fanboy here. Nice try though.
- fino35, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I had so much hope for the Zune, for a while it was a great successor to my finally dead Rio Karma. Problems right off the bat with the infamous Installation procedure, I had to get the full install file of p2p just to get started. Then all the little nags of the zune software once I got it installed. I had a 2 weeks peace, then all of a sudden the thing just died. Tech support, I'm not even going to get into that. But the thing that really grinds my gears is that the zune freezes up just scrolling through songs! every 5 songs i gotta wait almost 2 seconds. I'm pretty sure these problems are nonexistant on the gigabeat players. Microsoft, are you trying to drive the few non-ipod owners into the arms of apple?
The only thing that keep me holding on is the hope that the hacks will come soon. Oh no, then I won't be able to play UNO on live in three years!
Bill is killing me. - Leopards, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4The real reason the music companies don't want you to share those songs, is they are so bad, that if you hear them beforehand, you won't buy them!!!
- Balanced, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3How does this encourage artists to release more music?
- AEGYPT, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6What's excellent about rampant overheating, little to no retail supply for 5 months, 90 day warranties, and waiting a year before the first good game comes out?
People are ragging on the Zune simply because its crap. They don't need to pick up a turd and try it to tell you its crap. - smhill, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5 @geekee
What are you talking about? You made a bad analogy and/or missed the point. What error screen on iTunes are you talking about?
The simple is difference is that MS is pushing/promoting/fousing on a feature that is broken at best. Regardless of who put it there. They say you can share/squirt your music, but in reality it is very limited and not possible in many cases.
Apple does not in any way promote sharing, they discourage it. They focused on the iTMS, which works exactly as advertised.
MS is trying to set the Zune apart in the marketplace by pushing a feature that really isn't there, or at least definitely not what people expect it to be, -
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